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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:07 AM Feb 2013

Most Terrorist Plots in the US Aren't Invented by Al Qaeda -- They're Manufactured by the FBI

http://www.alternet.org/books/most-terrorist-plots-us-arent-invented-al-qaeda-theyre-manufactured-fbi?akid=10071.277129.9mKQz1&rd=1&t=3



Antonio Martinez was a punk. The twenty-two-year-old from Baltimore was chunky, with a wide nose and jet-black hair pulled back close to his scalp and tied into long braids that hung past his shoulders. He preferred to be called Muhammad Hussain, the name he gave himself following his conversion to Islam. But his mother still called him Tony, and she couldn’t understand her son’s burning desire to be the Maryland Mujahideen.

As a young man, Martinez had been angry and lost. He’d dropped out of Laurel High School, in Prince George’s County, Maryland, and spent his teens as a small-time thief in the Washington, D.C., suburbs. By the age of sixteen, he’d been charged with armed robbery. In February 2008, at the age of eighteen, he tried to steal a car. Catholic University doctoral student Daniel Tobin was looking out of the window of his apartment one day when he saw a man driving off in his car. Tobin gave chase, running between apartment buildings and finally catching up to the stolen vehicle. He opened the passenger-side door and got in. Martinez, in the driver’s seat, dashed out and ran away on foot. Jumping behind the wheel, Tobin followed the would-be car thief. “You may as well give up running,” he yelled at Martinez. Martinez was apprehended and charged with grand theft of a motor vehicle—he had stolen the vehicle using an extra set of car keys which had gone missing when someone had broken into Tobin’s apartment earlier. However, prosecutors dropped the charges against Martinez after Tobin failed to appear in court.

Despite the close call, Martinez’s petty crimes continued. One month after the car theft, he and a friend approached a cashier at a Safeway grocery store, acting as if they wanted to buy potato chips. When the cashier opened the register, Martinez and his friend grabbed as much money as they could and ran out of the store. The cashier and store manager chased after them, and later identified the pair to police. Martinez pleaded guilty to theft of one hundred dollars and received a ninety-day suspended sentence, plus six months of probation.

Searching for greater meaning in his life, Martinez was baptized and became a Christian when he was twenty-one years old, but he didn’t stick with the religion. “He said he tried the Christian thing. He just really didn’t understand it,” said Alisha Legrand, a former girlfriend. Martinez chose Islam instead. On his Facebook page, Martinez wrote that he was “just a yung brotha from the wrong side of the tracks who embraced Islam.” But for reasons that have never been clear to his family and friends, Martinez drifted toward a violent, extremist brand of Islam. When the FBI discovered him, Martinez was an angry extremist mouthing off on Facebook about violence, with misspelled posts such as, “The sword is cummin the reign of oppression is about 2 cease inshallah.” Based on the Facebook postings alone, an FBI agent gave an informant the “green light” to get to know Martinez and determine if he had a propensity for violence. In other words, to see if he was dangerous.
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Most Terrorist Plots in the US Aren't Invented by Al Qaeda -- They're Manufactured by the FBI (Original Post) xchrom Feb 2013 OP
+1 HiPointDem Feb 2013 #1
Based of a stupid facebook posting?! The FBI has THAT many resources that they can lurk facebook uponit7771 Feb 2013 #2
It's easy atreides1 Feb 2013 #12
What the flying penguin??? FleetwoodMac Feb 2013 #3
Terrifying is what it is. napoleon_in_rags Feb 2013 #4
Totally agree. Jerry442 Feb 2013 #9
+100 SoapBox Feb 2013 #5
I disagree... SkyDaddy7 Feb 2013 #6
I agree. Brewinblue Feb 2013 #7
I ran into one of those guys watoos Feb 2013 #8
just like i'm sposed to believe some jamookie in the hinterlands of Pakistan is such KG Feb 2013 #10
How does one obtain a federal job watching facebook? James48 Feb 2013 #11
Just read this, so I'm kicking it MrScorpio Feb 2013 #13
FBI Informant: "Hey man, wanna plant a bomb?" Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2013 #14

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
2. Based of a stupid facebook posting?! The FBI has THAT many resources that they can lurk facebook
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 06:31 AM
Feb 2013

...for facebook postings?!

Now what if some stupid people flood the damn thing with postings like this, the FBI going to chase them too?

This is beyond silly

atreides1

(16,079 posts)
12. It's easy
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 09:05 AM
Feb 2013

It's much easier to manufacture a "terrorist" attack then it is to say, investigate the banks! Also, the flavor of the day is Islamic terrorism...which is probably why you won't see many Christian based terror groups/militias being investigated.

Let's just call it 'the path of least resistance', because that's what it is!

FleetwoodMac

(351 posts)
3. What the flying penguin???
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:02 AM
Feb 2013

This is a malicious entrapment, an act instigated by an agent provocateur working for the federal government. It doesn't get much more obvious than this.

A precedent was already established more than 80 years ago.

Sorrells v. United States - 287 U.S. 435 (1932)

2. The National Prohibition Act, though denouncing generally as criminal the sale of intoxicating liquor for beverage purposes, was not intended to apply where the sale is instigated by a prohibition agent for the purpose of luring a person, otherwise innocent, to the commission of the crime so that he may be arrested and punished.


I hope lawyers reading this story would consider defending Martinez. He does not deserve to be imprisoned 25 years for this.

napoleon_in_rags

(3,991 posts)
4. Terrifying is what it is.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:14 AM
Feb 2013

One gets the sense that FBI is obligated not to counter an existing threat, but to manufacture one, to support a narrative that is completely detached from reality. It begs the question: What really happened on 9/11? I'm not the type to believe much in inside jobs, but it does give my mind cause to wander, to imagine those events as perhaps something much more far-out than we were led to believe, with the official story basically existing as a form of psychological protection for the public from the terrifying truth.

Jerry442

(1,265 posts)
9. Totally agree.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:45 AM
Feb 2013

The FBI seems to be in the business of finding loudmouth punks and grooming them to be presented to the public as terrorist masterminds. Why do they feel driven to invent terrorists? Can't find any real ones?

Napoleon has it right. If al-Queda was able to recruit nineteen people who couldn't wait to kill themselves to strike a blow at the Great Satan, what happened to all the wannabes who, you would think, couldn't wait to do the next big thing?

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
6. I disagree...
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 07:48 AM
Feb 2013

Most terrorist plots are done by domestic terrorist...White Christian Terrorist! These people terrorize everyone who provide support for & actually perform abortions by posting people's private information on-line & on flyers...And most of all they assassinate abortion doctors! Then you have the White Christian terrorist who bomb abortion clinics, attack Jewish centers & various other forms of domestic terrorism.

And since America is made up of mostly White Christians these terrorist are not reported as the terrorist they are. Their terrorist attacks are simply reported as everyday murders. Even so-called "Liberal Christians" tend not to go as far as labeling these terrorist "TERRORIST" due to the fact they are Christians & do not want to admit people kill in the name o f their religion.

Yes, the FBI tends to "manufacture" many of their terrorist cases here in the US...But these arrest don't even begin to compare with the real threat of domestic white Christian terrorist!!

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
8. I ran into one of those guys
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:39 AM
Feb 2013

at a bar after work. The guy monitored phone conversations. After buying him several beers he opened up a bit. I asked if he was allowed to monitor US phone calls. He claimed only if they went overseas. So I ask if I'm talking football and mention that Daryl Lamonica was the mad bomber will I light up on his board. He replies, oh no, you have to say bomb 3 times before a red flag pops up. So folks, remember the 3 bad word rule.

KG

(28,751 posts)
10. just like i'm sposed to believe some jamookie in the hinterlands of Pakistan is such
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 08:46 AM
Feb 2013

an imminent threat to the u.s. that a bomb should be dropped on him and everyone around him...

James48

(4,436 posts)
11. How does one obtain a federal job watching facebook?
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 09:04 AM
Feb 2013

seriously?

how do i apply for a job like that?

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