You know they're coming

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Realize that not all gun owners wish to stop all improvements to our gun laws.

I have my own rules for my private gun sales.

1) I have to have known the person for a period of time such as a year.

2) The buyer has to have a valid Florida concealed weapons permit and be a resident of Florida.

I would welcome a requirement that every private sale of a firearm has to have an NICS background check.

I also would like to see:

1) Far stronger penalties for the straw purchase and smuggling of firearms coupled with better enforcement.

2) Drug gangs as exist in Chicago being treated as terrorist organizations (which they are). The effort to control gang activity should be a prime objective of local, state and federal police agencies and should receive substantial funds appropriated by congress.

3) In order to take much of the profit motive out of dealing drugs our nation should consider the legalization of some drugs such as marijuana.

4) Mandatory jail sentences for anyone caught illegally carrying a firearm in public, doubled for those who have a violent criminal record. Room for those convicted could be made by freeing many who are serving time for mere drug possession.

5) Major improvements to our existing NICS background check system which would of course require more financing.

6) Efforts to improve our mental health care system.

What often distresses me is "feel good" laws such as recently passed in New York State. While I do agree with some of the provisions of this law, I question others.

A few weeks ago I wrote a response regarding how easy it was for gang members and others to acquire guns from Indiana, especially because of their lax gun laws, and just outside Chicago city limits in Illinois. I was told that was impossible, because of laws on the books. It was a big-time scolding.

We who live in the city know otherwise, which is why we want laws at the federal level: universal background checks, prosecutions of individuals who acquire a weapon for a criminal, and yes, a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

Have them lke tollbooths in NYC or the produce checkpoints going into California.

Make sure ZERO guns get through, then deal with all guns in the street legal and illegal after that.

Put a ring around them and it can happen legally.

That'll probably work.

and the money can go to fun anti-gun things.

G4a is not being sarcastic... also a big fan of stop and frisk to get guns, BB cameras everywhere for our safety etc.

Or Soviet Russia? Or better yet, why not a national stop and frisk without probable cause like in NYC? Your hero, Michael Bloomberg, loves that program.

Do I know you from another name?

oopps.

You know, that thing in the upper right hand corner.
Ooooops.
Are you in favor of a national stop and frisk program modeled on NYC's like your pal, Mike likes?

Don't try to deflect, just answer please.

I'll put you in the column as wanting Magic Mike's stop and frisk as a national policy.

WMD, my knee.

Basically, turn every individual states into a controlled zone with border control and searches for weapons in order to pass through? Might as well just declare individual states their own countries while you're at it and get it over with.

This is simply a glaring illustration of why gun control needs to be implemented at a federal level. And by that I mean actual gun control, not these nonsense carry looking weapon bans or controls on the capacity of a magazine.

We need national laws.

here....... http://www.democraticunderground.com/1172110327

and it can be done
either state by state or nationwide

just a little tweak here, a little tweak there

and just reclassify the NRA as a terror organization and get rid of their voicepiece soundbytes.
Put a ring around it and it can be done

eradicate the access to any new gun and bullet like a new panademic is eradicated, by putting a ring around it

We've managed to stop all drugs coming into the U.S, because of the wall at the border. Wait a minute, no we haven't.
What next, mine fields, machine gun nests?

the nra is dead.
they just don't know it yet.

the gang angle of it.

They don't take very good care of their guns- saliva is acidic and will cause rust.

On a more serious side, why is LE wasting so much effort on the two jokers that were charged? They are the equivalent of the street corner pot dealer.
LE knows the source, they know they Indiana sellers are violating straw purchase laws (which they would need these two for prosecution) and dealing with out an FFL. Either charge would be up to ten years in a Federal prison. Give a half dozen ATF agents cash and let them shop the show for an afternoon. If the article is reasonably accurate, they would make 3 to 10 arrests and stop a lot more gun trafficking than getting a couple guys who drive a van around Chicago looking for gang bangers to sell guns to.

Lets fund and enforce existing laws. Chicago also has to aggressively go after gangs and the residents need to stop covering up over these killings and let the police convict more of the thugs.

just because the ATF does not have a director does not mean the agents are sitting on their hands. Though several times in the last few years it would have been better if they had sat on their hands

Is near a rogue organization rife with sexist and cronyism.
I would like a director who will clean house of those who believe they are above the law. I believe Holder's biggest mistake was missing his opportunity to do that. We can then reform the all or nothing penalties that face FFLs now to differentiate between dealers who make a technical mistake and those who abuse the system.
The ATF will then be well prepared to go after those, who are illegally selling, with or without a license and stop the flow of arms to criminals.

A well run, aggressive enforcement organization will marginalize WLP and TN making their rants irrelevant. Such an ATF would have support from both sides of the issue by all except the most extremes of `no restrictions` and `ban them all`. The extremes will never be happy anyway so i do not feel too bad leaving them hanging.

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will not happen until you overturn the second amendment

second one has already been accomplished many years ago.

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remember that there an an estimated 80,000,000 gun owners in our nation. Add to that the voting age members of their families and you have an enormous voting block. Many gun owners have a significant amount of money invested in their hobby. They see little reason to give up their investment and enjoyment because few people with severe mental issues and a good number of criminals misuse firearms.

Many seriously believe that a firearm can be a very useful item to have in your home or even on your person if you are attacked by a person who intends to seriously injure or kill you. Such people may or may not be excessively paranoid but violent crime does still exist in our nation.

For these reasons many gun owners will turn up at the polls to vote against Democrats, including Democrats who strongly support gun rights, just because some Democrats like you wish to disarm them. Realistically pushing for draconian gun laws hurts our party and threatens all the good we have been able to accomplish in the last few years. Democrats at the local, state and national level will face a far more difficult elections in the future because some in our party are overreaching.

If we are able to limit the number of firearms in criminal hands by passing better laws and by enforcing them we may be able to significantly reduce gun violence in our nation. Better mental health care may help eliminate or greatly reduce tragic massacres as we have recently endured.

I feel that we can make our nation much safer if we simply realize that disarming this nation is impossible. Some states may be able to enact strong gun control but any law requiring the total disarmament of all citizens would likely be shot down by the Supreme Court.

But you have every right to your opinion and perhaps years in the future you may be able to achieve your goal. Times do change and what is impossible today may be quite possible in 20 years.

Violent crime in our nation today has dropped to levels last seen in the mid 60s according to FBI statistics. No one can say exactly why but it is somewhat amazing when you consider that gun sales have absolutely skyrocketed in the last decade. There does not appear to be a direct correlation between the number of firearms in civilian hands and the amount of violent crime as if that was true we would see an increase in such lawlessness.

I feel we need and can find real solutions that yield real results. Let me assure you that gun owners also wish to live in a safer country. No honest and responsible gun owner enjoys reading stories of innocent children being gunned down in schools or on the streets of Chicago.

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At the end no firearms will be banned but we may see some much needed improvement to our current gun laws.

Time will tell.

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Because there is no way to buy guns in Ohio and bring them to the city!

And criminals and disobedience and stuff!

then what is?