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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:00 PM Feb 2013

Obama Administration Refuses to Investigate Alleged DEA Killing of Women and Child in Honduras

Obama Administration Refuses to Investigate Alleged DEA Killing of Women and Child in Honduras


Democrats on Capitol Hill want the Obama administration to investigate the deaths of four civilians in Honduras last year during an anti-cocaine raid involving U.S. law enforcement agents. But administration officials have balked at the request.

On May 11, 2012, four villagers in a boat on the River Patuca, two pregnant women, a 21-year-old man and a 14-year-old boy, were killed when local police entered the town of Ahuas in northeastern Honduras to conduct a counternarcotics operation. Another four boat passengers were injured by gunfire. It was later learned that members of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) participated in the raid, which raised questions of whether Americans were responsible for the killings.

The Honduran government investigated the incident and concluded the DEA was not at fault for the deaths.

But 58 House Democrats were not satisfied with the probe, which they called “deeply flawed” in a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry and Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. calling for the U.S. to conduct its own examination.

http://www.allgov.com/news/us-and-the-world/obama-administration-refuses-to-investigate-alleged-dea-killing-of-women-and-child-in-honduras-130217?news=847087

If you are killed by our government, via drone, military, cop etc you don't need a stupid investigation - it is justified. No hearings, and who would you send a report to anyway? The people? They don't have the power and most things can be said to be classified to protect our country from terrorists.

Can't we just leave them alone, take all of our guns and hand them over to the government since they can be trusted and we cannot (how can you not trust someone on the one hand and let them kill who they want and when they want on the other??) , and go back to watching american idol or something?

Besides, investigating costs money. Do you want to pay to find out if some folks you don't care about a world away were killed by a person in the government? Now if it was me or you killing someone, I say investigate the hell out of it, unless, right before the killing, you filled out an application to work for a government agency and were accepted - then you are magically different.

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Obama Administration Refuses to Investigate Alleged DEA Killing of Women and Child in Honduras (Original Post) The Straight Story Feb 2013 OP
I thought you didn't want President Obama getting involved in other countries. graham4anything Feb 2013 #1
I would say sending in the DEA for raids means you are already there The Straight Story Feb 2013 #2
Exactly. Get the DEA out of Honduras! think Feb 2013 #3
the problem with dishonest defenses of Obama Enrique Feb 2013 #4
Maybe you should ask Daryl Isaa to investigate. graham4anything Feb 2013 #5
maybe a Congressional investigation would be appropriate Enrique Feb 2013 #6
BTW, in case it wasn't known, I am NOT a fan of witchunts or Darly Isaa or the repubilcans graham4anything Feb 2013 #8
Here is the letter Enrique Feb 2013 #7
What, the Honduran government's word isn't good enough? geek tragedy Feb 2013 #9
 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
1. I thought you didn't want President Obama getting involved in other countries.
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:03 PM
Feb 2013

you mean except for this one? I don't understand.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
4. the problem with dishonest defenses of Obama
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:20 PM
Feb 2013

is that it makes it look like there are no honest defenses.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
6. maybe a Congressional investigation would be appropriate
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:34 PM
Feb 2013

since the government is refusing to do the investigation. Congress still has oversight responsibilities doesn't it? Maybe Issa's committee wouldn't be the one, maybe the Judicial Committee for Foreign Relations Committee. And then there is the Senate. Its committees would have more credibility since they are led by Democrats.

 

graham4anything

(11,464 posts)
8. BTW, in case it wasn't known, I am NOT a fan of witchunts or Darly Isaa or the repubilcans
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:42 PM
Feb 2013

therefore I was using the ask Daryl Isaa as a line.

Maybe once he is elevated to the US Supreme Court (and this is not sarcasm), Justice Holder can look into it.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
7. Here is the letter
Sun Feb 17, 2013, 12:41 PM
Feb 2013

and contrary to a dishonest insinuation that this is a right-wing anti-Obama move, the signatories are mostly Black Caucus members and Progressive Caucus members who are critical of U.S. Drug policy:

Dear Secretary Kerry:

We write to express our concern regarding the grave human rights situation in Honduras, and in particular the dire situation of Afro-Indigenous Hondurans in the aftermath of the June 2009 military coup.

We request a thorough and credible investigation on the tragic killings of May 11 in Ahuas to determine what exactly occurred and what role, if any, was played by U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents. We also call for an immediate investigation into alleged abuses perpetrated by Honduran police and military officials in the country.

We are troubled to hear of the threats and repression targeting Afro-Hondurans who have bravely voiced their alarm over the steady deterioration of democracy in their country. We are also concerned regarding acts of violence and intimidation against Afro-Indigenous people defending their historic land rights. We are particularly disturbed to learn of the effects of a militarized counternarcotics policy on Afro-Honduran communities, and the participation of U.S. agents in operations that have led to the deaths of Afro-indigenous civilians.

On May 11, 2012, four Afro-Indigenous villagers, including a 14-year-old boy, were killed during the course of a drug interdiction raid in Ahuas, Honduras. Three others were seriously wounded. At least ten U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents participated in the mission as members of a Foreign-Deployed Advisory Support Team (FAST), a DEA unit first created in 2005 in Afghanistan. According to the New York Times, Honduran police agents that were part of the May 11 operation “told government investigators that they took their orders from the D.E.A.”

We understand that this tragic incident has been extremely traumatic for the otherwise peaceful and tightly knit community of Ahuas. Although Honduran human rights groups and international organizations such as Human Rights Watch have demanded that U.S. and Honduran authorities conduct a thorough and impartial investigation of this incident, the investigation has not been properly conducted. For instance, official inquiries into the matter have been perfunctory, and deeply flawed. Credible testimony indicates that the victims were innocent bystanders and not drug traffickers. As Honduran authorities have yet to address the issue, our government should press ahead with a full investigation to better determine exactly what occurred and what role was played by U.S. agents.

On June 22, the Fraternal Organization of Black People of Honduras (OFRANEH), one of the most prominent groups representing Afro-Indigenous Hondurans, objected to what it views to be racially biased, "outrageous and dangerous” statements given to the New York Times and the Washington Post by U.S. officials following the May 11 killings. OFRANEH claims U.S. officials made unsubstantiated accusations of drug trafficking against the entire Afro-indigenous communities in the Moskitia region of Honduras.

OFRANEH states that since the coup, drug traffickers have been increasingly targeting Afro-Indigenous communities, claiming their traditional lands, and killing those who stand in their way. Human rights groups confirm that the Honduran judiciary has done little to defend the basic rights of these communities. For instance, the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights of the Organization of American States has ordered the State of Honduras to cease and desist from approving any title transfers on land in the Afro-Indigenous community of Triunfo de la Cruz in order to protect its vulnerable population from attacks by drug traffickers anxious to secure access to the Caribbean. Currently, many more Afro-Indigenous communities seek similar protection. We note that, even in this context, Afro descendent and Indigenous leaders assert that the U.S. -backed drug war in Honduras hurts their communities.

In addition, since the country’s June 2009 military coup, according to numerous reports, the rate of impunity of alleged abuses perpetrated by state security forces has risen to unprecedented heights. According to Honduras’ leading human rights organization, the Committee of Families of the Detained and Disappeared in Honduras (COFADEH), over the last three years, more than ten thousand complaints have been filed regarding police and military abuses, very few of which have been investigated. Furthermore, State security forces are also directly carrying out repression against government critics. For instance, Afro-indigenous leader, Miriam Miranda, president of OFRANEH, was physically attacked and arrested by a departmental police chief in May 2011.

Finally, we strongly recommend a review on the implementation of counternarcotics operations carried out by our government in Honduras taking into account the unique conditions and high vulnerability of Afro-descendent and indigenous communities, who are disproportionately affected by drug trafficking activities.

Sincerely,

Henry C. “Hank” Johnson, Jr.
Gregory W. Meeks

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