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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 04:20 AM Feb 2013

Obama officials refuse to say if assassination power extends to US soil

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/feb/22/obama-brennan-paul-assassinations-filibuster

Obama officials refuse to say if assassination power extends to US soil

Glenn Greenwald
guardian.co.uk, Friday 22 February 2013 09.46 EST

The Justice Department "white paper" purporting to authorize Obama's power to extrajudicially execute US citizens was leaked three weeks ago. Since then, the administration - including the president himself and his nominee to lead the CIA, John Brennan - has been repeatedly asked whether this authority extends to US soil, i.e., whether the president has the right to execute US citizens on US soil without charges. In each instance, they have refused to answer.

Brennan....was asked:

Could you describe the geographical limits on the Administration's conduct drone strikes?"

Brennan's answer was that, in essence, there are no geographic limits to this power: "we do not view our authority to use military force against al-Qa'ida and associated forces as being limited to 'hot' battlefields like Afghanistan." He then quoted Attorney General Eric Holder as saying: "neither Congress nor our federal courts has limited the geographic scope of our ability to use force to the current conflict in Afghanistan" (see Brennan's full answer here).

Revealingly, this same question was posed to Obama not by a journalist or a progressive but by a conservative activist, who asked if drone strikes could be used on US soil and "what will you do to create a legal framework to make American citizens within the United States believe know that drone strikes cannot be used against American citizens?" Obama replied that there "has never been a drone used on an American citizen on American soil" - which, obviously, doesn't remotely answer the question of whether he believes he has the legal power to do so. He added that "the rules outside of the United States are going to be different than the rules inside the United States", but these "rules" are simply political choices the administration has made which can be changed at any time, not legal constraints. The question - do you as president believe you have the legal authority to execute US citizens on US soil on the grounds of suspicions of Terrorism if you choose to do so? - was one that Obama, like Brennan, simply did not answer.

As always, it's really worth pausing to remind ourselves of how truly radical and just plainly unbelievable this all is. What's more extraordinary: that the US Senate is repeatedly asking the Obama White House whether the president has the power to secretly order US citizens on US soil executed without charges or due process, or whether the president and his administration refuse to answer? That this is the "controversy" surrounding the confirmation of the CIA director - and it's a very muted controversy at that - shows just how extreme the degradation of US political culture is....

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Obama officials refuse to say if assassination power extends to US soil (Original Post) woo me with science Feb 2013 OP
I'd like to see the full interview BainsBane Feb 2013 #1
Yes, but it's also clear that the government would do so if they choose. harmonicon Feb 2013 #3
they could do it BainsBane Feb 2013 #4
Yeah, I'm afraid so. harmonicon Feb 2013 #5
I hope you are right but ... Sorry. I wish I had hope that your next president will get rid of this idwiyo Feb 2013 #6
Grayson, Kuchinich? Now you now they simply aren't sensible enough for the job. white_wolf Feb 2013 #15
My bad. Am ashamed of myself, sorry. Me hangs her head in shame and begs for forgiveness. idwiyo Feb 2013 #16
Nothing is "obviously completely illegal and unconstitutional." morningfog Feb 2013 #12
radical, unbelievable, and horrifying. like a lot of what's going on these days. HiPointDem Feb 2013 #2
+1 forestpath Feb 2013 #17
Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Feb 2013 #7
Ad Hominem. LOL...nt ljm2002 Feb 2013 #11
Kick woo me with science Feb 2013 #8
And we won't find out until that power is assumed, MadHound Feb 2013 #9
+1 Or...maybe we won't find out. nt woo me with science Feb 2013 #14
Why is it so hard to answer a simple question? jsr Feb 2013 #10
If you have nothing hide, it is not difficult to answer a simple question. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #21
The USA needs a 21st Century Church Committee PufPuf23 Feb 2013 #13
K&R Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #18
"By a conservative activist" EastKYLiberal Feb 2013 #19
He needs the power to assassinate you to protect you whatchamacallit Feb 2013 #20
Again, if this were a sincere concern, the US citizen card would not be played treestar Feb 2013 #22
Obama Discusses Targeted Killing of U.S. Citizens During Google+ Hangout ProSense Feb 2013 #23
::::Blinking to make sure that says "Obama officials" and not "Bush officials":::: MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #24

BainsBane

(53,056 posts)
1. I'd like to see the full interview
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 05:24 AM
Feb 2013

Because it looks like the President may have actually answered the question.

Assassinating Americans within the US is obviously completely illegal and unconstitutional.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
3. Yes, but it's also clear that the government would do so if they choose.
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 05:53 AM
Feb 2013

It's not as if assassinating Americans outside of the country is legal, but we do that. Our country does a lot of shit that's completely illegal; other countries do to. It basically boils down to "might makes right," like it or not.

BainsBane

(53,056 posts)
4. they could do it
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 05:55 AM
Feb 2013

But courts have jurisdiction over what they do within the US. I cannot believe even Scalia and Alito would rule that constitutional.

Oh, God. I'm naive, aren't I.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
5. Yeah, I'm afraid so.
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 06:31 AM
Feb 2013

Courts, schmourts. Remember, there's a process before things get to the SC, and that process would never start. It never did when Bush admitted to eavesdropping on every single American with a telephone or internet connection (policies continued under Obama).

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
6. I hope you are right but ... Sorry. I wish I had hope that your next president will get rid of this
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 06:56 AM
Feb 2013

abomination forever but I don't. Not at all unless your next president is someone like Grayson or Kucinich.

Hugs.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
15. Grayson, Kuchinich? Now you now they simply aren't sensible enough for the job.
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:29 PM
Feb 2013

We need a "sensible" president who will continue to free up the job creators, violate the U.S. Constitution, give billions to the MIC, and continue the Patriot Act.

idwiyo

(5,113 posts)
16. My bad. Am ashamed of myself, sorry. Me hangs her head in shame and begs for forgiveness.
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:36 PM
Feb 2013


Just joking of course. I know what you mean.
 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
12. Nothing is "obviously completely illegal and unconstitutional."
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 12:56 PM
Feb 2013

There will always be those in power reaching farther and developing arguments that what they are doing is legal and constitutional.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
21. If you have nothing hide, it is not difficult to answer a simple question.
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 02:59 PM
Feb 2013

Thus the "non-answer" becomes the answer in itself.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
22. Again, if this were a sincere concern, the US citizen card would not be played
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 03:01 PM
Feb 2013

US citizen members of Al Qaeda are rare, but used as the victims of this, as if they were the most common ones.

Right wingers would cheer if it were Bush and chide us about how they want to kill us. And Al Awlaki did, apparently. At least he was specifically identified, as opposed to the "they" of right wing lore.

As to Glenn, he is determined to find the Obama administration wrong, and not an objective opiner on these things.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
23. Obama Discusses Targeted Killing of U.S. Citizens During Google+ Hangout
Sun Feb 24, 2013, 03:25 PM
Feb 2013
Obama Discusses Targeted Killing of U.S. Citizens During Google+ Hangout
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022421836

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