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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:02 PM Feb 2013

No seniority, no water fountains, no parking spaces, no desks for teachers, counselors not required.

That's just a partial list of the demands Philadelphia is making of teachers. Did I mention drastic pay cuts? And there will be financial paybacks as well.

No seniority? No water fountains? More on the contract

On top of the longer work day (eight hours for teachers as opposed to the current seven hours, four minutes), teachers would also have to lead professional development, attend meetings, perform bus, yard and lunch duty and be available for parent meetings outside work hours with no extra pay. That’s a big change to the current contract language. Teachers wouldn’t be able to leave the building during the work day, either, without principal approval. Nurses who are called in early or tend to emergencies during their lunch periods wouldn’t be given comp time.

Seniority would be eliminated; all teacher vacancies would be filled by site selection, with the principal given final say in picking teachers. If there are vacancies on August 1, teachers could be transferred to fill them; the district would have discretion over this.

..."There are some major work rule changes, too - the one that jumped out at me was teachers no longer being able to use reasonable force to defend themselves. The district would no longer be required to provide copy machines, or “a sufficient number of instructional materials and textbooks.”

The district would no longer have to provide a teachers’ lounge, water fountains, parking facilities, desks for teachers, a designated room for speech and language staff and psychologists or “accommodation rooms” for students with special needs. Counselors would no longer be guaranteed to have rooms with privacy and confidentiality, a telephone, a locked filing cabinet and a door.


Say hello to the new education reforms.
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No seniority, no water fountains, no parking spaces, no desks for teachers, counselors not required. (Original Post) madfloridian Feb 2013 OP
pretty soon we will be like Pakistan! Marrah_G Feb 2013 #1
Holy crap gollygee Feb 2013 #2
They should definitely go on strike....n/t monmouth3 Feb 2013 #3
Did Michelle Rhee come up with this? Brigid Feb 2013 #4
Wouldn't surprise me a bit if she did... elzenmahn Feb 2013 #30
The result could be no teachers. What in the name of god is the matter with virgogal Feb 2013 #5
As they see they have no opposition, they are enabled to harm teachers more. madfloridian Feb 2013 #7
Even on DU teachers are denigrated and disrespected. Many DUers say the worst shit about teachers riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #21
Propaganda works .... Coyotl Feb 2013 #23
I think the meme that teachers suck... elzenmahn Feb 2013 #31
Yes! You got it. It is part of the attack on public employees in general. madfloridian Feb 2013 #34
Agreed. Welcome to DU (and an am kick for Madflo's disturbing OP) nt riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #41
I wouldn't work in an environment like that! Auntie Bush Feb 2013 #6
Yes, it is deliberate. madfloridian Feb 2013 #8
What madfloridian said. n/t Iris Feb 2013 #13
Unity is not the friend of the rich and powerful. They NEED the US to fail. MichiganVote Feb 2013 #10
" I'll bet the charter and private schools have better working conditions" Lordquinton Feb 2013 #22
If you have kids in public school you know it for sure! lunasun Feb 2013 #29
k&r Starry Messenger Feb 2013 #9
Yikes! hay rick Feb 2013 #11
To complete the dumbing of America newfie11 Feb 2013 #12
No librarians unless there are more than 1000 students Iris Feb 2013 #14
They just need slaves who will not be smart enough to revolt. Oh yes and less taxes.........that too lunasun Feb 2013 #26
Another Broad Academy superintendent, Class of 2005. Figures. madfloridian Feb 2013 #15
Let's see, check, check, check... knitter4democracy Feb 2013 #16
That's why I speak out. Those still teaching will accept it rather than lose their jobs. madfloridian Feb 2013 #18
And we all thank you, Madfloridian. knitter4democracy Feb 2013 #19
Disgusting and disrespectful. Why do we need all workplaces to be like sweatshops? Overseas Feb 2013 #17
This is what we pay Union dues for, so they (Union's negotiators) can protect us from public rape 1-Old-Man Feb 2013 #20
Union, union, union, union,... hay rick Feb 2013 #25
Agreed, but they need to go a step further... elzenmahn Feb 2013 #32
Madison, we have a problem. hay rick Feb 2013 #37
I fear that you're right about the bloodshed... elzenmahn Feb 2013 #38
Sounds more like China Milliesmom Feb 2013 #24
I agree, it is scary wording. madfloridian Feb 2013 #27
First they came for the teachers... ThoughtCriminal Feb 2013 #28
Pardon my language, but Holy Shit! Hayabusa Feb 2013 #33
Errr. So, basically, teachers will be bolted to a wall, while an endless DirkGently Feb 2013 #35
Heh, looks that way. madfloridian Feb 2013 #36
Yes, and those conveyor belt kids had better perform (nb) well on standardized tests lapislzi Feb 2013 #40
K&R hay rick Feb 2013 #39
It's the Brittish anti- public school system: Only the rich get educated lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #42
How on EARTH Aerows Feb 2013 #43

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
30. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if she did...
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:01 AM
Feb 2013

...considering the warm, fuzzy relationship she has with those darned teachers unions.

What pisses me off even more, is how Mrs. Kevin Johnson is made out to be suuuuuch a hero in the media. Oprah lionized her on her show not too long ago. NBC recently produced a one-off interview show, viewed on the local Comcast Hometown Network channel, which was in all essence a huge puff piece, with the intrepid "journalist" asking Ms. Rhee why all of the vitriol against her, and how personal it seemed to be getting. Ms. Rhee said she didn't know. The coup de grace, of course, was Waiting for Superman.

Personally, I don't think I've seen a slicker, more sincere-appearing shill for education privatization this side of Arne Duncan. She needs to called what she is - a partisan hack.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
7. As they see they have no opposition, they are enabled to harm teachers more.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:25 PM
Feb 2013

They do it because they get away with it. Only a few bloggers are speaking out against such tactics.

If people fought back, they would have to stop it.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
21. Even on DU teachers are denigrated and disrespected. Many DUers say the worst shit about teachers
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:20 PM
Feb 2013

Its no wonder they face even greater disrespect in the wider community when even those who should be their putative "supporters" like those of us here, parrot the MSM lies about "terrible" teachers.

I've got direct experience with 4 very different school districts and I have never met a single "bad" teacher. There seems to be this meme lately that teachers suck.

Yeah, their school ENVIRONMENTS suck. The families of their students are in desperate trouble (so the students struggle). We don't adequately fund the poor so they are always at a disadvantage.

This is rarely a "bad" teacher issue - there are so many other factors.

I'm shocked anyone is still going into teaching any more. The obstacles to professional success for them, and personal and professional respect, seem to grow every day.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
31. I think the meme that teachers suck...
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:06 AM
Feb 2013

...is a subdivision of a larger meme - that ALL PUBLIC EMPLOYEES suck.

Even more important, is the meme that THEIR DARNED UNIONS suck.

It's all a push to privatize. The messaging. The vilifying. The trotting out of Duncan and Rhee. The charter schools. The breaking of unions.

Somebody is trying to open up a potentially $30 billion dollar - plus market, and we'll be damned if we get in their way.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
34. Yes! You got it. It is part of the attack on public employees in general.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:20 AM
Feb 2013

It has really taken hold under this administration with Arne Duncan leading the way.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
6. I wouldn't work in an environment like that!
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:22 PM
Feb 2013

I would expect the teachers to go on strike or quit. Trouble is there aren't any other jobs they can take. I'll bet the charter and private schools have better working conditions. Seems like they are trying to deliberately make public schools fail.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
22. " I'll bet the charter and private schools have better working conditions"
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:33 PM
Feb 2013

Why on earth would you say something like that? if it is in comparison to this then maybe, but I highly doubt it. Also, in a charter school they could just flat out decide on this and not even have to bring it up to a union, then fire anyone who speaks up about it, like they do to under preforming students.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
29. If you have kids in public school you know it for sure!
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:59 AM
Feb 2013

But teachers are made to take the fall every time

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
12. To complete the dumbing of America
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 10:50 PM
Feb 2013

First get rid of teachers. Looks like that's the plan.
Insane and scary for any country but especially one with our military and nuclear might.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
26. They just need slaves who will not be smart enough to revolt. Oh yes and less taxes.........that too
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:50 AM
Feb 2013

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
15. Another Broad Academy superintendent, Class of 2005. Figures.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:03 PM
Feb 2013

I have often said that Broad-trained superintendents have the least respect for teachers. They are very aggressive and heartless in doing reforms.

http://www.broadcenter.org/academy/network/profile/william-hite

"William Hite
William Hite
The Broad Superintendents Academy Class of 2005
Superintendent, Philadelphia School District

Pre-Academy Role: Area Assistant Superintendent, Cobb County School District, Atlanta, Georgia
Post-Academy Role: Deputy Superintendent, Prince George‘s County Public Schools, Maryland

School leaders must provide the support and resources to enable all students to excel academically. Quality education is the key to future opportunities for students of all backgrounds. Urban superintendents must have the capacity to encourage change and hold teachers and administrators responsible for closing ethnic and income achievement gaps.

- See more at: http://www.broadcenter.org/academy/network/profile/william-hite#sthash.nZIPSm3e.dpuf "

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
16. Let's see, check, check, check...
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:03 PM
Feb 2013

Michigan eliminated seniority on the state level, we work a longer day for no more pay in our district because of a state mandate, we're required to do most of that for no extra pay, we have to notify someone if we leave the building for any reason, and our nurse isn't given comp time. We don't have a teacher's lounge (though we all finally got keys to what they call the lounge, a closet off the kitchen with the Coke machine, a couple of weeks back), a designated room for speech and language staff (mostly because we don't have any) or a school psychologist. All of that is pretty normal in our public school district, as are constant threats of serious pay cuts (they want us to take an 8% paycut on top of 5 years of no increases at all).

This is the reality of education, and the other reality is that people will still teach. The students need us to, and we need to as well.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
18. That's why I speak out. Those still teaching will accept it rather than lose their jobs.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:07 PM
Feb 2013

I am retired so the only thing I risk is annoying people.

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
19. And we all thank you, Madfloridian.
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:12 PM
Feb 2013
I'm so sick of all this crap but don't see a way out unless I move up (which I don't want to do). I'm starting my master's in May if all goes well, so hopefully, that will give me some other avenues.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
17. Disgusting and disrespectful. Why do we need all workplaces to be like sweatshops?
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:06 PM
Feb 2013

We should be aiming for NO workplaces to be like sweatshops.

I hope there is a way to overturn these moves.

We need to stop the austerity gangs because they want 9 to 5 to be as mean as possible. Why? A few dollars more?

Get those dollars from Halliburton! Make them cut back first.

Fraudsters first!

CUT THE MASSIVE FRAUD THAT PRIVATIZATION HAS WROUGHT: http://www.contractormisconduct.org/

1-Old-Man

(2,667 posts)
20. This is what we pay Union dues for, so they (Union's negotiators) can protect us from public rape
Wed Feb 27, 2013, 11:20 PM
Feb 2013

Repeat after me: Union, union, union, union, ...

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
32. Agreed, but they need to go a step further...
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:10 AM
Feb 2013

...the unions need to learn and use MESSAGING.

TPTB got to where they are at because of their mastery of how to frame messages, and how to use propaganda to their own base ends.

Unions can use a few of those skills right now, as a counter to the profiteers.

hay rick

(7,624 posts)
37. Madison, we have a problem.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:53 AM
Feb 2013

The problem isn't the message, which should be obvious- the problem is getting it out there. The MSM is subservient to TPTB, so the message needs to be disseminated in other ways. Social media are currently the primary alternative. We need more and better. And we should be prepared for some bloodshed.

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
38. I fear that you're right about the bloodshed...
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:34 AM
Feb 2013

...at the turn of the 20th century, lots of it was shed so that we could have a 40-hour week, the weekend, paid vacation, and sick leave - not to mention all of the other things that built the Great American Middle Class.

(Note that I'm NOT ADVOCATING VIOLENCE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. I'm merely saying that it may be an inevitability at this stage.)

I also fear that the message may be obvious to us, and others who know who has been screwing them, but not to Joe Sixpack (or Joe The Plumber, for that matter) - that's the consequence of the pervasiveness of Foxymoron News, their wannabes (CNN, et. al), and the general dumbing down of our culture.

With everything lost since Ronniebaby's reign, we may have to fight those battles all over again.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
28. First they came for the teachers...
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:56 AM
Feb 2013

when they came for my job, I was too uneducated to do anything about it.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
35. Errr. So, basically, teachers will be bolted to a wall, while an endless
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:23 AM
Feb 2013

stream of students, without books or materials, are paraded past them on a conveyor belt?

Or? Something?

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
40. Yes, and those conveyor belt kids had better perform (nb) well on standardized tests
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:24 AM
Feb 2013

Or else...you guessed it. Live alligators in the classroom. Or? Something?

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
42. It's the Brittish anti- public school system: Only the rich get educated
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:54 PM
Feb 2013

The bottom line is that we used to know that democracy depended on a well educated electorate, and that our prosperity also depended on a skilled workforce.

But when you don't give a crap about the middle class, minorities, and democracy, you limit advantages to those who were born into them: The entitled rich.

This is the end of democracy, of our meritocracy where every child gets a fair chance to rise above his or her parent's limitations on the basis of hard word.

This is the privileged putting down the rest of us.

This is the ultimate expression of the oppression of the 99% by the 1%.

These schools will fail, and the question will be, Will anyone care?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
43. How on EARTH
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:00 PM
Feb 2013

can a teacher teach without a desk, and counselors counsel without privacy?

Wow, just wow.

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