until they find out it's not their parties plan.

"The results not only disprove (once again) the common refrain that the the US is a "centrist" country, but also speak to the deeper, and possibly more intractable problem: that the best and most attractive ideas to voters and regular people are seemingly the ones most sidelined by the elites who control our money-dominated media and govern our money-dominated democracy."

The 2-headed money party and the corporate media make sure we never get to consider the real solutions to our problems. This is why the party needs to move left, it's where the solutions to our problems are.

and I've been thinking that a lot of self-professed "conservatives" around here are actually a lot more liberal than they have been led to believe. I find I have to dig a bit for it, but when it comes down to Brass Tacks actually being made of Brass, they agree with my liberal ass more than they don't. It's the Conservative Media Bubble and the ideas that the local Preachers put into their heads that need excorsing, but once that's done, they see the light. A LOT of what we agree on seems to be a raging hatred of the Corporate Powerbase, BTW. The real Con's (and seemingly, some Dems's even) in America havent figured out yet that the Next Generational Fight isn't about Government vs. The People, it's about The PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT vs. THE CORPORATE STATE.

I don't know about the rest of the country (and there are always die-hard stupids), but around here, after the pounding they got in the last election, the FoxNooze Kool-Aid seems to taste a little off to a lot of them...

in political science/political psychology/economics that the American people have been consistently left of center on average and that we want an economic system which is much further to the left than we currently have.

Republicans can't win unless they lie, demonize, divide and conquer, focus on extreme social issues, and demonize. Unfortunately they are masters at all those things.

There is a counter but it is substantially a lite version of the same.

Most folks have probably heard little to nothing of the progressive budget, it sure as hell is what Democrats are selling.
The beneficial ideas are discussed only in corners and if you try to push our own guys get you locked up.

A lot of self-described "Republicans" don't really know what they're allying themselves with, seems to me. The Faux News Bubble leads them astray. My knee-jerk reaction is to scream for abolishing the party system but, of course, that would have its own complications. Better to promote education and the spread of awareness, I suppose.

... rely on the (R) or (D) to determine if something is "bad" or "good."

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Parts of DU can be living proof of that.

the republican agenda

that repukes are fucking stupid.

Maybe the left is stupid in its own way… for not being able to leverage public support for policies.

Stupid not best word here. Maybe… lacking in strategy?

Certainly lacking in money. We can't compete when it comes to capacity to spend millions on advertising.

plenty of folks on this site like to do their little center-right song and dance routine.

If I knew what the plan was that most people favored, I could use that. We all could.

that's why republicans have to suppress the vote to win

There's a lot going on with that, but it's one reason the GOP feeds the racism in its constituency - when racists start thinking about "the wrong people" benefiting from liberal policies, it causes them to blow a circuit and vote against their own best interest, because anything is better than watching their tax money go to help poor non-beige people.

is that democratic policies have overwhelmingly been better for economic growth elevation of people economically since the days of Wilson, and this is true even when the fact that democrats once tolerated segregation is taken into account.

instead of playing lily-livered "moderate" all the time and disrespecting the few Washington Democrats who still hold progressive ideals...

Not label it. Just show the answers, and then ask...who votes for what we want? And who is lying about it?

...a wide majority of Americans prefer the policies of Dennis Kucinich and the "Fringe Left Wing'.




“Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.”
― Oscar Wilde

there are plenty of centrist democrats that can't see the forest.

when your audience is enthralled.

is insane.

What they really are, is propaganda to enable theft from the unwilling many by a tyrannical few.

But point taken. Most conservatives representatives these are little more than automatons who won't do anything but what their corporate masters tell them to.

So true limp, so true!

And it doesn't do us a bit of good.

They still vote for the bad guys.

and to keep the people in line.

Thant you MSM!

sure we are, until you poll people on SPECIFIC policy. then it turns out we're ALL just a bunch of commie socialist marxist buddhist muslins.

lazy brown people in big cities" The racist go from commie liberals to free market loving uber-capitalist.

people 'hated' the overall bill......but loved all of the particulars in it.

were capable of and willing to cover all the stories out there, so that the citizenry could be INFORMED and actually make SMART CHOICES.

But nooooo.....

They'll call the plan America wants "Populist" and play "Kick the Hippie" for fun.

K&R.

I believe that. It's really only a small number of extremists who are well-funded and noisy who have screwed things up....acting like the majority by yelling.

. . . it has always been more a matter of tribal identification. They might very well, in a blind poll, favor 'x' policy. But as soon as Fox News or some other right wing outlet informs them that 'x' is supported by 'Ds,' they will immediately drop their support for it.

Science. Kills repukes dead.