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ashling

(25,771 posts)
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:13 PM Feb 2013

Gun owner fires at Walmart shoplifter to ‘mark’ him for police

A gun owner in Florida was arrested on Wednesday after he opened fire at a suspected Walmart shoplifter because he said he felt threatened and wanted to “mark” the man’s car for police.

As unarmed 42-year-old Eddie McKee allegedly ran from an Orange City Walmart with stolen merchandise, 35-year-old Jose Martinez pulled out his gun and fired at least five bullets, according to WKMG.

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Bullets riddled McKee’s vehicle, hitting the trunk and shattering the back window. Two other cars were also hit by gunfire.

Martinez told WKMG that he was shocked that police arrested him because he thought no one other than the shoplifter was in danger. He said he just wanted to mark the man’s car for police.


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a good guy with a gun
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Gun owner fires at Walmart shoplifter to ‘mark’ him for police (Original Post) ashling Feb 2013 OP
Walmart now has a vigilante Death Squad: El Mano Cheapo Chino. leveymg Feb 2013 #1
another responsible gun owner with a CC permit CBGLuthier Feb 2013 #2
Right. Or is gunned down by the cops Aldo Leopold Feb 2013 #59
"How long ... kills ... innocent bystanders." That has happened numerous times. ieoeja Feb 2013 #73
Forget background checks HockeyMom Feb 2013 #3
What you said. cliffordu Feb 2013 #28
Heck yes! libodem Feb 2013 #48
problem solved. stillcool Feb 2013 #52
If only "gun" were a longer, harder-to-spell and -pronounce word... Aldo Leopold Feb 2013 #61
Yes! xxqqqzme Feb 2013 #71
"Why are you arresting me?" Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #4
I see what you did there arcane1 Feb 2013 #27
A police officer HockeyMom Feb 2013 #76
And He Was Arrested At the Scene, Sir, Much To His Apparent Surprise The Magistrate Feb 2013 #5
It seems like gollygee Feb 2013 #6
Nor should they have access to Die Hard movies NightWatcher Feb 2013 #9
Would James Bond just write down the license plate number? Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #11
ROFL n/t gollygee Feb 2013 #12
How about just tie the car to a nearby church? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #15
LOL! Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #17
"He hates these cans! Stay away from the cans!" bike man Feb 2013 #23
What movie is that? Brigid Feb 2013 #42
The Jerk Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #49
I haven't seen that one in decades! Brigid Feb 2013 #53
Dumb Jerk... Historic NY Feb 2013 #57
Wait ! What's wrong with marking cars ? ashling Feb 2013 #19
What's the point of having a gun if you can't shoot it? LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #20
Reminds me of the old saying that someone with a hammer sees every problem as a nail. riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #24
Why would ANYONE flame you? The guy was a fucking dumbass! jmg257 Feb 2013 #41
I"m a gun owner, and this guy was freakin' crazy wrong! Bake Feb 2013 #50
If you wanted to mark a car... AsahinaKimi Feb 2013 #64
Here is the thing Cosmocat Feb 2013 #65
That happened on Wednesday gollygee Feb 2013 #70
People Who Drive With Guns otohara Feb 2013 #74
What a super hero he is. Autumn Feb 2013 #7
Yes, he's our hero. Brigid Feb 2013 #43
Face Palm, indeed! Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #8
The best was the interview with the shooters wife Peregrine Feb 2013 #10
I'm thinking he's a gonna lose his right to have guns, because of a felony conviction. RC Feb 2013 #13
But then the law makes him a criminal LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #22
Winners all the way around. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2013 #14
What in the name of fuck?! Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2013 #16
Somebody forgot to tell this idiot . . . Brigid Feb 2013 #18
what a complete jerk - hope he serves time and a huge fine samsingh Feb 2013 #21
I am compelled to repeat the OFFICIAL NRA stance on gun violence rustydog Feb 2013 #25
I hope the owners of the other two vehicles sue him LonePirate Feb 2013 #26
With the vigilantism promoted by the NRA and some politicians appleannie1 Feb 2013 #29
"Two other cars were also hit by gunfire"" yet this dumb-ass was "shocked" arcane1 Feb 2013 #30
The actions of yet *ANOTHER* responsible gun owner AndyA Feb 2013 #31
Wish me luck.. jambo101 Feb 2013 #32
Pack sunscreen and Kevlar nt riqster Feb 2013 #35
Pretty sure you'll be okay, buddy. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #39
I'd say you have more to worry about from the kentauros Feb 2013 #78
"Stand Your Mart"! riqster Feb 2013 #33
These "good guys with guns" are all living in a fantasy world. Chorophyll Feb 2013 #34
It's Florida. He will probably be acquitted and sue the police for false arrest. appleannie1 Feb 2013 #36
Hey, Jose! The next time you want to "mark" something... KansDem Feb 2013 #37
Going for some 'Dirty Harry' there, huh? freshwest Feb 2013 #44
This is the most powerful marker ever made..... Jerry442 Feb 2013 #63
when he gets the bill from all the car owners for the damage he did to their cars Fresh_Start Feb 2013 #38
I sure hope he has car insurance - er - gun insurance - er - that he pays for it. freshwest Feb 2013 #45
Another vigilante gun owner that thinks he can be judge, jury, and executioner, all in a Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #40
Can you imagine buying a great hammer, being trained..... Bonhomme Richard Feb 2013 #46
How aggravating a peaceful day must be... freshwest Feb 2013 #67
How long till this goes meta? ajk2821 Feb 2013 #47
Arrested. Assault with a Deadly Marker. n/t jtuck004 Feb 2013 #51
I used to think Simpsons episodes were hyperbole & overkill for comedic effect johnlucas Feb 2013 #54
He'll be a Faux News Hero n/t Joey Liberal Feb 2013 #55
I propose one more step in the background check process. lpbk2713 Feb 2013 #56
Isn't he just a "good guy with a gun?" mountain grammy Feb 2013 #58
Its gets better he was running after the car......... Historic NY Feb 2013 #60
Those other two cars hit Rex Feb 2013 #62
USE the RIGHT TOOL FOR THE RIGHT JOB AsahinaKimi Feb 2013 #66
IQ tests for gun ownership? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2013 #68
Many gun nuts seem to think shoplifting should be a death sentence Cali_Democrat Feb 2013 #69
Shoot or I'll Stop! harkonen Feb 2013 #72
Well, he'll be in jail for a while. krispos42 Feb 2013 #75
Guess WHO is going to be sued for all the damages HockeyMom Feb 2013 #77
But he shoplifted the last Billy the Singing Bigmouth Bass plaque! rdharma Feb 2013 #79
unholstering his phone and shooting a pic of the car was too much effort i suppose frylock Feb 2013 #80

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
2. another responsible gun owner with a CC permit
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:16 PM
Feb 2013

All super heroes in waiting. How long till one of these heroes kills a few innocent bystanders.

Aldo Leopold

(685 posts)
59. Right. Or is gunned down by the cops
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:32 PM
Feb 2013

or some other idiot who thinks he is trying to stop a bad guy. Imagine the chain reaction that can develop in a situation such as this.

 

ieoeja

(9,748 posts)
73. "How long ... kills ... innocent bystanders." That has happened numerous times.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:06 PM
Feb 2013

Every person mistaken for an intruder by a loved one and killed would qualify as an innocent bystander.


xxqqqzme

(14,887 posts)
71. Yes!
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:02 PM
Feb 2013

team this story w/ the one about the ammo stored in the OVEN; girlfriend fires up the oven, girlfriend gets shot .....and the gun rolling around the floor of some guy's truck along w/ his rolling around dog, dog steps on trigger, guy gets shot - Yea, an I.Q. test is a requirement to own a gun.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
4. "Why are you arresting me?"
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:17 PM
Feb 2013

Last edited Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:48 PM - Edit history (1)

"I'm only shooting my gun in a parking lot full of cars and people at a guy who stole some cheap dollar bin crap from Walmart! "

"Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorence on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started shooting my gun that that sort of thing is frowned upon...."

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
76. A police officer
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:10 PM
Feb 2013

would have been brought up on charges for trying to shoot a SHOPLIFTER in a crowded Mall.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
5. And He Was Arrested At the Scene, Sir, Much To His Apparent Surprise
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:18 PM
Feb 2013

Report is he has been bonded out, but is facing felony charges --- which he richly deserves.

"Mopery with intent to loiter is a hanging offense."

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
6. It seems like
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:18 PM
Feb 2013

people who carry guns look for excuses to use them. To mark the car? You don't fire a deadly weapon to mark a car. If you think that's OK, you shouldn't have access to deadly weapons.

Flame away.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
15. How about just tie the car to a nearby church?
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:26 PM
Feb 2013

"They might not be here exactly when you get back but it's a blue Chevy two-door. And it'd be going south on Hertado Street. No, I can't make out the license number, but...it'd be pulling a small church."

"Any blue Chevy pulling a small church, I figure that'd be the one, yeah."


Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
17. LOL!
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:28 PM
Feb 2013

Die, you typical random bastard!

When I first saw that movie, I thought it was stupid. Now I watch and think that it's stupid, but hilarious.

I like to think I've evolved.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
20. What's the point of having a gun if you can't shoot it?
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:32 PM
Feb 2013

When I buy a tv I'm not going to just have it in my living room as decoration.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
24. Reminds me of the old saying that someone with a hammer sees every problem as a nail.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:37 PM
Feb 2013

As Jeff says, why didn't he simply write down the license plate number like the rest of us would have done?

Why not? Because he had a gun. So for him it was only natural to "solve" the problem of the alleged thief by shooting at him.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
41. Why would ANYONE flame you? The guy was a fucking dumbass!
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:21 PM
Feb 2013

who should not be allowed to own guns.

Hopefully he will be convicted, and won't be legally able to anymore!

Bake

(21,977 posts)
50. I"m a gun owner, and this guy was freakin' crazy wrong!
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:42 PM
Feb 2013

I don't look for an excuse to use mine. This guy will have plenty of time to think about that in the joint.

Bake

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
65. Here is the thing
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:43 PM
Feb 2013

MOST people who carry firearms are in fact MOSTLY reasonable people and will not use them in a ridiculous manner like this.

What is unreasonable is that so many of the more "reasonable" people will fight tooth and nail to prevent any common sense means to try to keep the dingbats from being able to carry them.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
70. That happened on Wednesday
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:59 PM
Feb 2013

I bet on Tuesday, you would have fought for his right to carry a weapon. On Tuesday, there was no way to know he was a dingbat. There is no dingbat test.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
74. People Who Drive With Guns
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:22 PM
Feb 2013

are more apt to be hostel towards other drivers.

Precious makes them feel like badasses.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
8. Face Palm, indeed!
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:19 PM
Feb 2013

In addition to checking for a criminal background, can we check for some sort of baseline IQ?

It's not the "good guy" with a gun or the "bad guy" with a gun that worries me.

It's the dumb ass with a gun.

Peregrine

(992 posts)
10. The best was the interview with the shooters wife
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:20 PM
Feb 2013

the shoplifter ran into the wife knocking her down, then the good shooter went to work. But the interview of the wife was worthy of an Oscar. Beneath the heavy tears, she muttered that he was going to kill her. The good shooter added that the shoplifter tried backing over him, and that is why he shot. By the way, what criminal parks his getaway car so he has to back up.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
13. I'm thinking he's a gonna lose his right to have guns, because of a felony conviction.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:22 PM
Feb 2013

Serves him right.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
18. Somebody forgot to tell this idiot . . .
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:28 PM
Feb 2013

That stealing cheap Chinese junk from Wal-Mart is not a capital crime.

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
25. I am compelled to repeat the OFFICIAL NRA stance on gun violence
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:42 PM
Feb 2013

"THE ONLY THING THAT STOPS A BAD GUY WITH A GUN IS A GOOD GUY WITH A GUN"

"oh, wait, what? the shoplifter was unarmed?...Oh it's ok, he was trying to Trayvon the shoplifter"

LonePirate

(13,426 posts)
26. I hope the owners of the other two vehicles sue him
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:43 PM
Feb 2013

This idiot needs to suffer more than just an arrest.

appleannie1

(5,067 posts)
29. With the vigilantism promoted by the NRA and some politicians
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:48 PM
Feb 2013

you can expect a lot more of this sort of thing and innocent bystanders are going to end up victims as well.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
30. "Two other cars were also hit by gunfire"" yet this dumb-ass was "shocked"
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:48 PM
Feb 2013

Sometimes, the stupid really does hurt, but it never seems to hurt the stupid ones.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
31. The actions of yet *ANOTHER* responsible gun owner
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:49 PM
Feb 2013

The public was in no danger at any time. Move along, go buy more guns...

jambo101

(797 posts)
32. Wish me luck..
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:53 PM
Feb 2013

I'm about to return to Florida for a 3 week vacation to visit friends and family.
If it wasnt for the friends and family i'd probably just go elsewhere,Myrtle Beach perhaps..

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
34. These "good guys with guns" are all living in a fantasy world.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 12:55 PM
Feb 2013

I'd vastly prefer to share the world with shoplifters than with people who think they're Rambo.

And he was "shocked that police arrested him."

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
40. Another vigilante gun owner that thinks he can be judge, jury, and executioner, all in a
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:13 PM
Feb 2013

event that had exactly *nothing* to do with him.

He was not directly threatened by harm in any way.
He was not in physical danger in any way.
His person or belongings were not involved, until he decided to interject himself into the matter by using deadly force.



He's going to have a swell time explaining to the insurance company why they should pay for all the damage he caused those vehicles, too.

Bonhomme Richard

(9,000 posts)
46. Can you imagine buying a great hammer, being trained.....
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:35 PM
Feb 2013

by carpenters on the most efficient way to use it, go to your weekly session hitting nails, polish it daily and even carry it around with you.
Now, can you imagine never getting the opportunity to actually hammer two pieces of wood together.
Is this the frustration of the gun owner? You bet.

ajk2821

(89 posts)
47. How long till this goes meta?
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:35 PM
Feb 2013

I can see it now some "responsible gun owner" feels threatened in some way (that person looked at me funny!) and starts shooting. Second "responsible gun owner" sees the first firing his gun and opens fire on that person and so on and so on and so on....

Actually I am surprised this has not happened yet.

 

johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
54. I used to think Simpsons episodes were hyperbole & overkill for comedic effect
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:05 PM
Feb 2013

Remember that episode when Homer gets a gun?
I thought things like the sudden crazy mob scenes were exaggerated for comedy purposes.
I always understood the Simpsons to be social commentary so that was the frame of mind I thought in.

This past decade I have come to realize that The Simpsons weren't exaggerating AT ALL.
Simpsons hit the ACTUALITY of American behavior & disguised it as comedic social satire.
Maybe we're just living in a cartoon world now but isn't this the kind of foolishness you would expect from a gag scene in The Simpsons?
Something that Homer or some other thoughtless character would do?

Art imitates life!
John Lucas

lpbk2713

(42,759 posts)
56. I propose one more step in the background check process.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:26 PM
Feb 2013



Check the applicant's Netflix account to see how many Eastwood and Seagal movies they have selected.


Unfuggenbelievable.


mountain grammy

(26,624 posts)
58. Isn't he just a "good guy with a gun?"
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:28 PM
Feb 2013

A "responsible gun owner" just "standing his ground!" Fox news is gettng ready.

Historic NY

(37,451 posts)
60. Its gets better he was running after the car.........
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:33 PM
Feb 2013

"The guy put me in danger and other people," said Martinez as police hauled him off to jail Wednesday evening. "He tried to run me over."

But police said Martinez only was bumped by the shoplifter's getaway car because he was chasing after the car and even tried to open the door to the moving vehicle before he opened fire."

I guess he want to make sure the gun could mark it.


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/Orange-City-Walmart-customer-shoots-suspected-shoplifter/-/1637132/19107274/-/rotvq8/-/index.html

After reviewing store security video, police said Martinez's story doesn't add up. They believe he was never in danger because the shoplifter was driving away from him and everyone else

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
62. Those other two cars hit
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:35 PM
Feb 2013

could have had people in them. The idiot doesn't understand why he endangered his life and others? And he had a gun? Yikes! Glad they arrested him. What a fool.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
69. Many gun nuts seem to think shoplifting should be a death sentence
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:58 PM
Feb 2013

They're even more radical than Saudi Arabians who cut off the hands of thieves.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
75. Well, he'll be in jail for a while.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:07 PM
Feb 2013

The standard for lethal force was not *quite* met here. And the ocean is moist.

"Imminent danger of death or serious injury to yourself or another person, or to prevent a felon from fleeing" does not quite translate to "shoot at a fleeing shoplifter".




...because he thought no one other than the shoplifter was in danger. Dumb statement; he did not have the right to put anybody, including the shoplifter, IN danger in the first place! (See above).

 

rdharma

(6,057 posts)
79. But he shoplifted the last Billy the Singing Bigmouth Bass plaque!
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:15 PM
Feb 2013

So ........ it's not just a simple "property crime"!

Herrrp Derrp!

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