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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:15 PM Feb 2013

This young Quiverfull escapee hopes to establish a safe house for other young women

Last edited Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:21 PM - Edit history (1)

trying to escape from their oppressive religious communities.

She's written a brief essay as part of a scholarship application, the winners to be determined by online voting. If you want to help, you could vote at the link.

http://www.wyzant.com/scholarships/v3/essay64934-Charlotte-NC.aspx

I grew up in an extremely religious home where women were encouraged to refuse an education and degree and have children and be homemakers. I left when I was 20 and have spent two years rounding out my education and working to save money so I can go to college. My parents refuse to support me or offer any assistance, including just signing my FAFSA.

If I were to finish college and get a degree, I would first help my 6 younger siblings (specifically the two girls) to also find a way out and get on their feet and go to school.

Then, I would love to create a safe-house where children of religious homeschooling families can come to improve their lives and future and have hope.

From struggling with poverty, to being unable to get a job without a resume or employment history, and often a substandard education; the children of the Quiverfull movement have extreme challenges to overcome. A home like this would be a safe platform for them to transition into the world without being abandoned to struggle. Many of their parents wish this difficulty for their children, saying it will cause them to return and be content with the party line. I want to create a buffer for the pain parents cause when they shun and disinherit their children for religious reasons.

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http://www.wyzant.com/scholarships/v3/terms.aspx?a=1

Prior to June 7, 2013, a second round of evaluation will take place during which current tutors on WyzAnt will be allowed to vote on the twenty finalists. At the conclusion of this period, the three Applicants whose essays have secured the highest total votes will be awarded scholarships of $10,000, $3,000 and $2,000 respectively. Each scholarship will be paid directly to the scholarship recipient's college or university.

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This young Quiverfull escapee hopes to establish a safe house for other young women (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2013 OP
I wish her much success! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2013 #1
She just got my vote. GoCubsGo Feb 2013 #2
Thanks for bringing this here. freshwest Feb 2013 #3
You're welcome. I hoped people would respond as I did. pnwmom Feb 2013 #6
"Quiverfull" - Our very own American version of Taliban life for women. n/t ProfessionalLeftist Feb 2013 #4
Not quite leftynyc Feb 2013 #33
Definitely child abuse. ProfessionalLeftist Feb 2013 #48
This group is dangerous in that they want to have many children so they can bring southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #5
As what happened with Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock alp227 Feb 2013 #7
You can't take your eyes off these religious crazies, ever. They don't care if it takes 50,60 southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #8
Mormons are already doing this. Ikonoklast Mar 2013 #72
They are extremely scary. CrispyQ Feb 2013 #40
All you go to do is google them. That will scare the hell out of you. Dominionist is what I southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #58
He left last fall. Not sure if it was by choice or not. CrispyQ Feb 2013 #68
Pretty sad he was good. southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #70
Dominionists are the Christian Taliban susanr516 Feb 2013 #66
K&R redqueen Feb 2013 #9
She needs to be legally emancipated from her parents so that she can get financial aid. Lars39 Feb 2013 #10
She is over 20 years of age. She is already an adult. MineralMan Feb 2013 #12
True, but FAFSA applications require parents' financial information until the age of 23. antigone382 Feb 2013 #16
Good for you for hanging in there and continuing with your education pnwmom Feb 2013 #22
Same Here. distantearlywarning Feb 2013 #54
I had the same problem as a teen out of high school. laundry_queen Feb 2013 #59
It was bad enough when the required age was 21. pnwmom Feb 2013 #61
If her parents claimed her as a dependent on their tax return BuddhaGirl Feb 2013 #17
The law requires her to be 24 to obtain financial aid without her parents' complying with FAFSA. pnwmom Feb 2013 #19
Which is, apparently, why she is applying for this MineralMan Feb 2013 #21
No, for student financial aid, her parent's income is considered as part of the equation Lars39 Feb 2013 #20
hopefully she will help other young women do that, because 18 years is too long bettyellen Feb 2013 #14
I voted for her. The extreme fundamentalist MineralMan Feb 2013 #11
Voted and shared. Pab Sungenis Feb 2013 #13
Isn't this the Duggar Family cult? What a great contribution she could make! nolabear Feb 2013 #15
the Duggar family of "19 Kids and Counting" BuddhaGirl Feb 2013 #18
OY. And thanks for the proper spelling. OY! nolabear Feb 2013 #23
I think you're right. n/t pnwmom Feb 2013 #26
She has my vote BanzaiBonnie Feb 2013 #24
same here, she's got my vote. BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #42
Glad to vote for her. nt ancianita Feb 2013 #25
Back when I was a Christian and had AOL (both in my very remote past) . . . Still Blue in PDX Feb 2013 #27
You're welcome, Still Blue! n/t pnwmom Feb 2013 #29
I hope she succeeds in every way get the red out Feb 2013 #28
+1 billiongazillion! BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #43
Thank you for sharing this, I voted too. (n/t) MadrasT Feb 2013 #30
You're welcome. And thank you, too! n/t pnwmom Feb 2013 #32
I voted for her, and wish her well. Moosepoop Feb 2013 #31
Voted. I wish her all the luck in the world. Hekate Feb 2013 #34
I voted for her.... Little Star Feb 2013 #35
Voted. geardaddy Feb 2013 #36
as a question dhol82 Feb 2013 #37
I have looked into this for other reasons. pnwmom Feb 2013 #39
Well, that sucks dhol82 Feb 2013 #46
I don't think a young person would be liable for the parents' debts, although pnwmom Feb 2013 #65
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2013 #38
Voted and reposted to FB. Thanks. K&R n/t LadyHawkAZ Feb 2013 #41
Thank you! n/t pnwmom Feb 2013 #44
Kick & Rec sheshe2 Feb 2013 #45
done and posted to FB BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #47
voted! good luck april Feb 2013 #49
Proudly voted. hamsterjill Feb 2013 #50
+1 woo me with science Feb 2013 #67
voted and shared xxqqqzme Feb 2013 #51
Sent to the family Heathen57 Feb 2013 #52
Oh wow, she is just down the road form me. wildeyed Feb 2013 #53
Yay! Maybe you can pass this on to some of the other neighbors. pnwmom Feb 2013 #60
what a brave young woman.. frylock Feb 2013 #55
Good for her Sissyk Feb 2013 #56
Happy to vote for her! City Lights Feb 2013 #57
Far, far too often . . . another_liberal Feb 2013 #62
And sometimes it's worse than simple neglect. pnwmom Feb 2013 #64
Good point. another_liberal Feb 2013 #69
Voted. Big K&R. I hope she wins this scholarship and many more riderinthestorm Feb 2013 #63
K&R n/t DeSwiss Mar 2013 #71
Morning kick! nt riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #73
Thanks, everyone! I saw this young woman's vote total go up all day yesterday and I know why. pnwmom Mar 2013 #74
Weekend kick for a most worthy young woman's cause nt riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #75
kick tabbycat31 Mar 2013 #76
I hope she does, too! pnwmom Mar 2013 #78
kick shcrane71 Mar 2013 #77
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
33. Not quite
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:34 PM
Feb 2013

The taliban would have beheaded or stoned her rather than let her escape their lifestyle. That said, this does sound like child abuse to me but religious fanatics tend to really piss me off.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
5. This group is dangerous in that they want to have many children so they can bring
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:43 PM
Feb 2013

them up to become leaders in their government and turn us into a christain law runned country. What a group. The thing is all these groups such as this are doing it right under our noses and they don't care if it takes years. They figure they will win and turn us over. That is why I fear the republican party let them take over them. Scary stuff if you read about this group and many more like them. Palin is one of them. She thinks she is god's chosen. She thinks she is Queen Esther. America needs to pay attention to these people.

alp227

(32,034 posts)
7. As what happened with Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:49 PM
Feb 2013

and then transvaginal ultrasound bills, I think the GOP already has.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
8. You can't take your eyes off these religious crazies, ever. They don't care if it takes 50,60
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 01:52 PM
Feb 2013

or 100 yrs to get what they want this country to be.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
40. They are extremely scary.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:56 PM
Feb 2013

It was two to three years ago, when Jack Cafferty was still on Blitzer's show. Cafferty did a brief segment on the dominionists. He had never heard of them. He was genuinely distressed about what he had learned & shared some things on air. He asked viewers to write in. Later, he read some responses. Every response, except one, had never heard of dominionists & they were as disturbed about it as Jack. It was apparent that people wanted to know more, but do you think CNN ever did a followup on dominionists? Fuck no. Religion is sacrosanct. Even if it's some seriously fucked up shit, talk about God & Jesus & you're safe. Words speak louder than actions.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
58. All you go to do is google them. That will scare the hell out of you. Dominionist is what I
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:57 PM
Feb 2013

think Palin is. Also check out Seven Mountains. We must be kept aware. By the way is Caffy still on the CNN staff?

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
68. He left last fall. Not sure if it was by choice or not.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:30 PM
Feb 2013

He was one of the main hosts on CNN's morning show back in 2001. He was a real cheerleader for the Iraq war & Bush in general. Then he started to see the light & started speaking out. Next thing you know, he had two 3-minutes segments in Blitzer's show. I think even to the end he was a thorn in their paw.

susanr516

(1,425 posts)
66. Dominionists are the Christian Taliban
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:07 PM
Feb 2013

Their goal is to overthrow the US government and establish a theocracy. They take the phrase, "Repent or die," literally. Other names for it are Christian Reconstructionism and Theonomy. Read a little about their beliefs; extremely scary, indeed.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
12. She is over 20 years of age. She is already an adult.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:02 PM
Feb 2013

She needs nothing but her determination and help from those who understand her issues and goals. I think she will get what she needs.

antigone382

(3,682 posts)
16. True, but FAFSA applications require parents' financial information until the age of 23.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:08 PM
Feb 2013

While understandable, this is a huge stumbling block for many people that I know when they are trying to go to college. I think it is one reason we are seeing so many nontraditional students these days (myself included). It was much easier for me once i no longer had to list the income of my estranged father, as if he has anything to do with my financial life.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
22. Good for you for hanging in there and continuing with your education
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:13 PM
Feb 2013

even though you didn't have your parents' help.

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
54. Same Here.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:19 PM
Feb 2013

My parents weren't interested in helping me financially, but they made a lot of money. I had to wait until I was in my mid-20s to go to college, because I couldn't get any financial aid at all when I was required to put their income on my forms - income I wasn't able to actually benefit from!

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
59. I had the same problem as a teen out of high school.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:04 PM
Feb 2013

Frustrating! I mean besides the fact you have to deal with parents who don't give a shit about your education, you have to deal with being forcefully disadvantaged because of them.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
61. It was bad enough when the required age was 21.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:31 PM
Feb 2013

There's no excuse for making it 24.

Sorry this happened to you!

BuddhaGirl

(3,608 posts)
17. If her parents claimed her as a dependent on their tax return
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:09 PM
Feb 2013

she could be ruled ineligible, however a financial aid director usually has the authority to override certain regulations and could determine she is independent.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
19. The law requires her to be 24 to obtain financial aid without her parents' complying with FAFSA.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:11 PM
Feb 2013

There are only a few exceptions now -- e.g., if she is married, has a baby, or is applying to grad school.

The age was bumped up a long time ago.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
21. Which is, apparently, why she is applying for this
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:12 PM
Feb 2013

scholarship. I wish her success, but think she will succeed, one way or another.

Lars39

(26,109 posts)
20. No, for student financial aid, her parent's income is considered as part of the equation
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:12 PM
Feb 2013

until she is age 24.

on edit: age 24, not 25.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
14. hopefully she will help other young women do that, because 18 years is too long
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:07 PM
Feb 2013

to be treated like a 2nd class citizen.
Hope she gets the scholarship!

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. I voted for her. The extreme fundamentalist
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:01 PM
Feb 2013

Christians in this country are very dangerous. They have zero tolerance for anything or anyone who is not closely aligned with their weird ideas. Because of this, they are against everything the United States is supposed to be for. They need shaming, at a minimum.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
15. Isn't this the Duggar Family cult? What a great contribution she could make!
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:08 PM
Feb 2013

It is indeed Taliban-like in keeping girls from being able to say "No" to men and make their own way in the world.

Still Blue in PDX

(1,999 posts)
27. Back when I was a Christian and had AOL (both in my very remote past) . . .
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:19 PM
Feb 2013

I remember being chastised on message boards by those women about my sinfulness in not trusting the Lord enough to quit my job and stay home and bring an endless stream of babies into the world. Sometimes I let it get to me, but looking at my kids and their lives, though not perfect, I'm very happy with my choices.

Thank you for sharing this!

get the red out

(13,467 posts)
28. I hope she succeeds in every way
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:22 PM
Feb 2013

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We, as a nation, are neglectful of the educational and psychological needs of young women raised in cults to be nothing but slaves and brood mares. It's considered "freedom of religion" when you fuck up another person's life and deny them full exercise of their rights because they happen to be your offspring.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
43. +1 billiongazillion!
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:11 PM
Feb 2013

We can't give up. We have to fight for more women in power in all aspects of society--liberal, progressive women who know what discrimination is and have empathy and a drive to improve everyone's lives.

Moosepoop

(1,920 posts)
31. I voted for her, and wish her well.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:24 PM
Feb 2013

I hope she's able to fulfill her dreams of being able to help others in her position.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
35. I voted for her....
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:40 PM
Feb 2013

My family home had the same stupid thinking that hers did. I hope she gets the scholarship. k&r

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
37. as a question
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:50 PM
Feb 2013

Can she not divorce her family? I have a problem with the concept of not having anything to do with parents and still needing their permission to get a loan.

Anybody know?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
39. I have looked into this for other reasons.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:54 PM
Feb 2013

It appears to be very difficult, at least in most states. The law doesn't seem to recognize that there could be a necessity for this, once a person is 18 or older. (The emancipation laws only apply to those under 18.)

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
46. Well, that sucks
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:17 PM
Feb 2013

How can you not get free of a toxic family until you get to be 24? Is that a magic age? Would the young person be liable for the parents debts, even if they do not live at home?

This is just a terrible situation.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
65. I don't think a young person would be liable for the parents' debts, although
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:13 PM
Feb 2013

years ago, adult children were held liable in some states for parents' nursing home costs. That changed when the Medicaid law was put into effect. But if that law was ever changed or repealed, states would be free again to hold adult children responsible for the care of their parents.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
50. Proudly voted.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:38 PM
Feb 2013

It must be extremely difficult to have been reared in that society, and yet have the brilliance of mind to oppose the doctrines of that society.

I hope this young woman has a bright future. She deserves it.

Heathen57

(573 posts)
52. Sent to the family
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:09 PM
Feb 2013

and then put onto my Facebook page, so she will get votes from the 3 people who follow me.

She has a important cause, and I wish her all the luck that she wins the scholarship.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
62. Far, far too often . . .
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:38 PM
Feb 2013

Far, far too often home schooling of children functions as what amounts to child neglect. Very few people are truly qualified to properly "school" their own children in the subjects taught by trained teachers.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
64. And sometimes it's worse than simple neglect.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:09 PM
Feb 2013

I know a woman who had no one to turn to, when she was abused, because she was home-schooled in an isolated location.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
69. Good point.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:42 PM
Feb 2013

Sometimes home schooling is actually used to teach children they should accept the worst kinds of abuse without complaint.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
63. Voted. Big K&R. I hope she wins this scholarship and many more
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:39 PM
Feb 2013

to make her dream come true. We need her to succeed!

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
76. kick
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 02:30 PM
Mar 2013

I voted for her and wish I could vote again. I wish her a bright future.

I hope she writes a book about her experiences. I'd be the first to read it (I love books about escaping oppressive religions).

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