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kpete

(71,997 posts)
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 02:46 PM Feb 2013

New Documents Show Reagan Gave Go-Ahead To Mayan Genocide

New Documents Show Reagan Gave Go-Ahead To Mayan Genocide
By Susie Madrak

Robert Parry on a newly-released document that spells out how President Ronald Reagan promoted genocide in Central America:

Soon after taking office in 1981, President Ronald Reagan’s national security team agreed to supply military aid to the brutal right-wing regime in Guatemala to pursue the goal of exterminating not only “Marxist guerrillas” but their “civilian support mechanisms,” according to a newly disclosed document from the National Archives.

Over the next several years, the military assistance from the Reagan administration helped the Guatemalan army do just that, engaging in the slaughter of some 100,000 people, including what a truth commission deemed genocide against the Mayan Indians in the northern highlands.

Recently discovered documents at the Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California, also reveal that Reagan’s White House was reaching out to Israel in a scheme to circumvent congressional restrictions on military equipment for the Guatemalan military.

In 1983, national security aide Oliver North (who later became a central figure in the Iran-Contra scandal) reported in a memo that Reagan’s Deputy National Security Advisor Robert McFarlane (another key Iran-Contra figure) was approaching Israel over how to deliver 10 UH-1H helicopters to Guatemala to give the army greater mobility in its counterinsurgency war.

According to these documents that I found at the Reagan library – and other records declassified in the late 1990s – it’s also clear that Reagan and his administration were well aware of the butchery underway in Guatemala and elsewhere in Central America.


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http://consortiumnews.com/2013/02/21/how-reagan-promoted-genocide/
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New Documents Show Reagan Gave Go-Ahead To Mayan Genocide (Original Post) kpete Feb 2013 OP
St. Ronnie was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in Central America. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #1
And who was his VP? Poppy Bush, "former" director and long-term member of the CIA.... OldDem2012 Feb 2013 #7
^ This ^ Myrina Feb 2013 #16
Great post, CG. dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #31
Howdy, neighbor, thanks. It brought back some ugly memories. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #32
What you said. In spades. DCKit Mar 2013 #35
yeah, but they're brown people datasuspect Mar 2013 #36
Disaster capitalism. jwirr Feb 2013 #2
No doubt the culprits will face trial....won't they? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2013 #3
Well, Ollie North faced a career as a Fox News broadcaster. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #8
This isn't one I am going to talk about with RWers. Kalidurga Feb 2013 #4
That's among the scariest things about this story. eom Blanks Mar 2013 #33
I meet a Salvadoran that described the torture in the 80s Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #5
There was no insurgency by the Mayans. ck4829 Feb 2013 #6
sit down, enjoy our ethnic meal frylock Feb 2013 #9
Another vicious, lie-cloaked profiteering Republican campaign of evil Berlum Feb 2013 #10
Gee new documents,,, benld74 Feb 2013 #11
Another forgotten chapter robbob Feb 2013 #12
Will these "new revelations" actually bring anyone to justice?? hue Feb 2013 #13
How shocked should I pretend to be? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2013 #14
I'm afraid to write it but the best I can come up with is malaise Mar 2013 #34
Am I supposed to be surprised by this? drm604 Feb 2013 #15
Capitalism's Invisible Army Octafish Feb 2013 #17
Indigenous "counterinsurgency" G_j Feb 2013 #18
Is the USA currently funding any Right Wing Death Squad Governments in Latin America? bvar22 Feb 2013 #19
Wikileaks' just released Ichingcarpenter Feb 2013 #21
Latin America has undergone democratization BainsBane Feb 2013 #22
The democratization of Latin America gives me hope for The World. bvar22 Feb 2013 #26
Most likely all our focus is in Middle East and African death squads. Arctic Dave Feb 2013 #29
Now that Qaddafi has been "taken care of" by the IMF and Global Banks.....err., ah..NATO, bvar22 Feb 2013 #30
Again, I'll point out this began in 1954 BainsBane Feb 2013 #20
The only possible difference... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #23
well in fact aid to the Contras BainsBane Feb 2013 #24
A book on the pre-presidential Reagan was entitled, if my recollection is correct, "One Swell Fella" indepat Feb 2013 #25
Don't forget Poppy Bush formercia Feb 2013 #27
Wow, that was illuminating. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2013 #28
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
1. St. Ronnie was responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in Central America.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:01 PM
Feb 2013

Maybe a quarter million killed in Guatemala.

About 75,000 killed in the Salvadoran civil war.

About 75,000 killed trying to overthrow the Sandinistas.

Hundreds, if not thousands, killed in Honduras, which became our aircraft carrier for the Contra War.

I saw frightened young men dragged off buses in Guatemala. I saw handcuffed bodies in the streets with bullet wounds in their heads in San Salvador. I saw burned out villages in Nicaragua. US funds were paying for all of it.

Oh, and those scary Salvadoran gangs like Salva Maratrucha? Another gift from Reagan. These guys or their parents fled the violence in El Salvador, went to the US, learned how to be gang-bangers, and now have a nifty little international network.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
7. And who was his VP? Poppy Bush, "former" director and long-term member of the CIA....
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:28 PM
Feb 2013

....whose area of expertise in the was Central America, South America, and the Caribbean Basin.

Poppy was the REAL decision-maker in the Reagan Administration, make no mistake about it.



Myrina

(12,296 posts)
16. ^ This ^
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:01 PM
Feb 2013

Ronnie was a nasty old fuck, but Poppy Bush and his mini-me Darth Cheney are Satan incarnate (if such a thing could exist).

 

DCKit

(18,541 posts)
35. What you said. In spades.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:48 PM
Mar 2013

The S.O. is from El Salvador. I laugh at those who speak of "illegal immigration" out one side of their mouths, and laud Raygun out the other.

 

datasuspect

(26,591 posts)
36. yeah, but they're brown people
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:55 PM
Mar 2013

so they don't count. we're supposed to be killing them. it's what Uhhhhmerica does best.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
8. Well, Ollie North faced a career as a Fox News broadcaster.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:34 PM
Feb 2013

And that evil fuck Elliot Abrams, he's now doing penitence as a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

They should have both gone before the Hague.

There is a Salvadoran general on trial in Miami now, I think. Thirty-five years later.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. This isn't one I am going to talk about with RWers.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:05 PM
Feb 2013

I am afraid it will make them like Reagan even more.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
5. I meet a Salvadoran that described the torture in the 80s
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:17 PM
Feb 2013

He has fled the country after his brother and sister were killed and worked with us as a illegal laborer who we hired as a carpenter''s helper.

The Rat in an iron Box, heated with a blowtorch on someone's stomach who is tied down.

I know this torture out dates
any movie until the late 90s. He hadn't seen many movies anyway as being a Mayan peasant.

The story effected us all at the time.... and this was the time of Reagan's early term.

ck4829

(35,077 posts)
6. There was no insurgency by the Mayans.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:21 PM
Feb 2013

Rios Montt truly believes that he was hunting 'demons' when he was murdering Mayans.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
9. sit down, enjoy our ethnic meal
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:47 PM
Feb 2013

dine on some charbroiled nuns
try a medal on
smile at the mirror as the cameras click
and make big business happy

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
10. Another vicious, lie-cloaked profiteering Republican campaign of evil
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 03:57 PM
Feb 2013

done by Republicans acting OCCULTLY, as usual, and against the express will of the citizens of the United States of America.

robbob

(3,531 posts)
12. Another forgotten chapter
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 04:21 PM
Feb 2013

In Americas long and brutal campaign of violence and terror against 3rd world nations. How many proud citizens of the USA even KNOW about these things?

God Bless America....

malaise

(269,063 posts)
34. I'm afraid to write it but the best I can come up with is
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:10 AM
Mar 2013

LOL

You see the US has been killing people at will (including Americans) long before drones. There's nothing new here.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
17. Capitalism's Invisible Army
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:05 PM
Feb 2013

Overthrowing the democratically elected government of Arbenz in 1954 was their first Big Event after overthrowing the democratically elected government in Iran for BP in 1953. Glorious Freedom!



Ah. Freedom. Who doesn't believe they wouldn't use the same, eh, tactics in the Homeland?

G_j

(40,367 posts)
18. Indigenous "counterinsurgency"
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:12 PM
Feb 2013

same old, same old "manifest destiny" of the chosen, which certainly cowboy Ronnie could relate to.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
19. Is the USA currently funding any Right Wing Death Squad Governments in Latin America?
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:13 PM
Feb 2013

If we knew, maybe we could stop it?


BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
22. Latin America has undergone democratization
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:43 PM
Feb 2013

since the 1990s. I wouldn't be surprised in the US wasn't up to nefarious activities in the region, but they need different allies now.
The National Security Archive is a great source for information, both primary documents and analysis: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
26. The democratization of Latin America gives me hope for The World.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:59 PM
Feb 2013

[quote][size=large]"The worst enemy of humanity is U.S. capitalism. That is what provokes uprisings like our own, a rebellion against a system, against a neoliberal model, which is the representation of a savage capitalism. If the entire world doesn't acknowledge this reality, that nation states are not providing even minimally for health, education and nourishment, then each day the most fundamental human rights are being violated."[/size]
----Bolivian Reform President Evo Morales
[/quote]

The above statement by Morales is not so very different
than FDR's Economic Bill of Rights in 1944 where he stated much the same thing.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
29. Most likely all our focus is in Middle East and African death squads.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:56 PM
Feb 2013

That's where all the new money is.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
30. Now that Qaddafi has been "taken care of" by the IMF and Global Banks.....err., ah..NATO,
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:48 PM
Feb 2013

...North Africa is WIDE OPEN for some Good Old American Disaster Capitalism!!!

” For all his dictatorial megalomania, Gaddafi is a committed pan-African - a fierce defender of African unity. Libya was not in debt to international bankers. It did not borrow cash from the International Monetary Fund for any "structural adjustment". It used oil money for social services - including the Great Man Made River project, and investment/aid to sub-Saharan countries. Its independent central bank was not manipulated by the Western financial system. All in all a very bad example for the developing world.”

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD27Ak01.html




BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
20. Again, I'll point out this began in 1954
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:42 PM
Feb 2013

and spanned many administrations, Democratic and Republican alike. Reagan waged relentless war on Central America, but American hands were blood-stained long before he came to office.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
23. The only possible difference...
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:45 PM
Feb 2013

Is that by the time Reagan came along, the American people were become (a little) more enlightened on the subject. A lot of cultural evolution went on in this country between 1954 and 1984.

Sadly, it seems our evolutionary transmission is stuck in neutral these days.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
24. well in fact aid to the Contras
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 05:48 PM
Feb 2013

who sought to overthrow the govt of Nicaragua was banned by Congress, so the Reagan administration found ways around the ban through Iran-Contra. Aid to the Guatemalan military was linked to "human rights," something Carter has imposed. I would need to look up how exactly that affected aid to the military government and for which years.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
25. A book on the pre-presidential Reagan was entitled, if my recollection is correct, "One Swell Fella"
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 06:59 PM
Feb 2013

This episode is but one of a gaggle of incidents in which the Gipper showed himself being one swell fella as president.

formercia

(18,479 posts)
27. Don't forget Poppy Bush
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:18 PM
Feb 2013

He was the real driving force behind the War in Central America.

St. Ronnie just signed off on it.

Don't allow Poppy to be Rehabilitated by putting the blame on Ronnie.

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