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Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:15 PM Feb 2013

I'm greatly worried about Scalia's recent statements

Justice Antonin Scalia, during oral arguments at the Supreme Court on Wednesday, said that the Court had to rescue Congress from the trap of being afraid to vote against a “racial entitlement”—the “entitlement” in question being the Voting Rights Act.

Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2013/02/in-voting-rights-scalia-sees-a-racial-entitlement.html#ixzz2IKneoxPJ



"Scalia felt he had to rescue Congress from the trap of being afraid to vote...." As if Congress:
#1 hasn't made unpopular stands in the past without Scalia's rescue; and
#2 Scalia can read the minds and will of the entire Congress, by making statements that congressional process and votes are not necessary; and
#3 by making the decision that political decisions should be taken out of the hands of Congress, Scalia circumnavigates the process and reason by which voters put these guys into office....*that* is Scalia's job?
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I'm greatly worried about Scalia's recent statements (Original Post) Sheepshank Feb 2013 OP
Judicial activism BainsBane Feb 2013 #1
"Legislating from the bench" versus "strict constructionism" ProgressiveEconomist Mar 2013 #52
The only thing we can pray for his he'll retire or die off of old age. southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #2
I doubt he'll retire. white_wolf Feb 2013 #7
As an Italian american I am ashamed of him. He is an ass. southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #10
As a human being I'm ashamed of him, too. Bibliovore Feb 2013 #14
Well alright now. I can't argue with that. southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #16
Two words: Opus Dei... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2013 #17
Maybe that's why he is so prickly. I can't stand him. I didn't know he was an southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #19
He simply doesn't look all that heart healthy to me Sheepshank Mar 2013 #50
I want him to keel over and die now. Hard Assets Feb 2013 #21
Well you said that. I fear god to much and I have a heart condition myself. Lets just say southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #25
In general, Italians eat fairly healthy diets- No Vested Interest Feb 2013 #26
Well, impeachment is off the table. AAO Feb 2013 #34
He's kind of porky. That's not healthy -- but he has the best health care plan possible. Hekate Mar 2013 #43
how dare minorities think they are entitled to vote??? Skittles Feb 2013 #3
Lest there be any doubt ever that Scalia The Second Stone Feb 2013 #4
Have never felt that highly of the fine Justice: Scalia is, imo, indepat Feb 2013 #12
That is particularly concerning, especially from Scalia who has taunted.. Poll_Blind Feb 2013 #5
To quote my con law professor: white_wolf Feb 2013 #8
IOW he doesn't give a damn what the law is and he has no ethics. aquart Feb 2013 #29
Time for Fat Tony to go join the former Pope... bvar22 Feb 2013 #6
it's a condition called ... napkinz Feb 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Feb 2013 #11
Do NOT be worried Demo_Chris Feb 2013 #13
Yeah it's not like his opinion will change an election like in 2000. nt abelenkpe Feb 2013 #23
Florida's voting laws kept 200,000 people from voting in the last election. lob1 Feb 2013 #27
Recent statements? I've been worried about every statement he has ever made! (nt) reACTIONary Feb 2013 #15
They bother me too -- a lot. ananda Feb 2013 #18
It's past time to introduce articles of impeachment for Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas. Hard Assets Feb 2013 #20
No one is going to do that. former9thward Feb 2013 #32
"Robert F. Kennedy used to say 'Some men see things as they are and ask why. red dog 1 Feb 2013 #22
>dream things that never were< No, this is just a slimy attempt to return to the past. n/t jtuck004 Feb 2013 #31
I'm confused...Are you saying that my posting of Scalia's quote is red dog 1 Feb 2013 #35
That was Teddy Kennedy quoting Shaw at Bobby's funeral. ananda Feb 2013 #39
Teddy may well have quoted Shaw at his brother's funeral, red dog 1 Mar 2013 #41
Uhm, people are entitled to vote!! gollygee Feb 2013 #24
No. People are not. Citizens are. aquart Feb 2013 #28
Well yeah gollygee Feb 2013 #38
He looks mad and is clutching his heart (or the place where it should be) mountain grammy Feb 2013 #30
Scalia will argue that the framers of the Constitution iemitsu Feb 2013 #33
Wasn't Scalia the one who cited the tv show 24 pitbullgirl1965 Feb 2013 #36
RobertsAlitoThomasScalia = RATS alterfurz Feb 2013 #37
Opus Dei is an organization of the Catholic Church, isn't it?. Maybe he is just crabby about this lunasun Feb 2013 #40
I remember that Mario Cuomo said that he had no interest in serving on the Supreme Court Rhiannon12866 Mar 2013 #42
wtf is he talking about, a "racial entitlement"? i can't even imagine what he means by that. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #44
You're not serious. moondust Mar 2013 #45
it's a voting rights act, not affirmative action. what does he mean by 'racial entitlement' in HiPointDem Mar 2013 #46
I assume he's calling it moondust Mar 2013 #47
nothing there that makes it a 'racial entitlement'. it's nonsense. HiPointDem Mar 2013 #48
It is. moondust Mar 2013 #49
Does SCOTUS have precedent of remarks like Scalia's on cases before the court? cheyanne Mar 2013 #51
his mentality on most subjects is something to be worried about. spanone Mar 2013 #53

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
52. "Legislating from the bench" versus "strict constructionism"
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 07:11 PM
Mar 2013

Isn't Scalia doing a sharp about-face from his own previous stance on the role of the USSC versus the majoritarian role of Congress?

How many times since 1964 have Republicans campaigned for statewide and national office on pledges to appoint :strict constructionists: rather than judges who "legislate from the bench"?

We need to appreciate the enormity of what Scalia is spouting.

Scalia is advocating overturning majority rule, just what Republicans have accused Democrats of since the 1960s Warren Court.

But recently a historian demonstrated that anri-majoritarian accusations against the Warren Court are false:

Here's a snippet from a favorite MSNBC law professor guest's review of "The Warren Court and American Pollitics". by Lucas A. Powe, Jr. (Harvard University Press).

From http://www.newrepublic.com/article/politics/the-end-deference :

"THE END OF DEFERENCE, by Jeffrey Rosen

... how did the Warren Court come to be defined as a group of judicial legislators who repeatedly thwarted the political branches? ... In 1964, Barry Goldwater tried to make an election issue of the civil rights, criminal procedure, and school prayer decisions, but he was dramatically rebuffed. Indeed, the Court viewed Johnson's landslide election as a vindication of its bold leadership in Brown. "Never before in American history," Powe writes, "has a Court been told it was so right." ...

Powe argues that at the beginning of the 1960s the Warren Court decided cases on the basis of values that most Americans (with the exception of recalcitrant outliers) shared, such as overcoming segregation, Victorianism, malapportionment, and the use of the third degree. ...

Of course, all three branches of national government will not always agree: the harmony of the Warren era appears to have been the exception rather than the rule. But although the Court should never allow the president and Congress to violate clearly defined constitutional rights, it should give Congress substantial leeway to define and to enforce its own conception of constitutional rights, even when this vision is more expansive than that of the Court. This deference to the competing constitutional views of Congress was clearly anticipated by the framers of the Reconstruction Amendments to the Constitution, who saw Congress, and not the Court, as the primary enforcer of the constitutional guarantee of equal protection of the laws. But deference to Congress is a virtue that the imperious Rehnquist Court has refused to display. ...

A deferential Court would generally uphold the acts of the political branches, even when it disagreed with them, unless the president and Congress had violated constitutional rights and limitations that were too clear to ignore. It is not surprising, perhaps, that the Court has managed to avoid a political backlash against its high-handedness by keeping its finger to the political winds. But have the political branches become so cowed by the Court's grandiose assertions of its own supremacy that they have lost the will to stand up for themselves?"
 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
17. Two words: Opus Dei...
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:57 PM
Feb 2013

The guy really believes he's doing the work of God.

Meanwhile, I wonder if he's wearing barbed wire underwear.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
50. He simply doesn't look all that heart healthy to me
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 12:27 PM
Mar 2013

I can only assume that nature takes care of his longevity?

 

Hard Assets

(274 posts)
21. I want him to keel over and die now.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:08 PM
Feb 2013

I'll order him 200 Heart Attack Grill burgers laden with so much cholestrol to be delivered today

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
25. Well you said that. I fear god to much and I have a heart condition myself. Lets just say
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:18 PM
Feb 2013

from your lips to gods ears.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
26. In general, Italians eat fairly healthy diets-
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:18 PM
Feb 2013

Olive oil, fresh vegetables, red wine, etc.
I've known many Italians to live to advanced ages.

There must be another way to get Scalia out of there.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
43. He's kind of porky. That's not healthy -- but he has the best health care plan possible.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:16 AM
Mar 2013

What a little toad.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
4. Lest there be any doubt ever that Scalia
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:25 PM
Feb 2013

was nothing but a partisan hack with a poison pen. As a jurist he is incompetent.

indepat

(20,899 posts)
12. Have never felt that highly of the fine Justice: Scalia is, imo,
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:33 PM
Feb 2013

far more dangerous and damaging to America, its people and our liberty, freedom, and Constitution, than an incompetent partisan hack.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
5. That is particularly concerning, especially from Scalia who has taunted..
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:26 PM
Feb 2013

...the American people in commentary about his past rulings, effectively stating that he was helpless in every way to change the laws he was asked to interpret or to interpret them outside of the very narrowest legal boundaries. In fact, this sort of narrow interpretation gig is his whole schtick at least over the last 13 years so to have him make those kinds of statements is exceptionally revealing.

PB

Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
13. Do NOT be worried
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:42 PM
Feb 2013

Seriously.

This kind of garbage HELPS us. This is exactly what we want to see. This is the kind of evil that breeds in darkness and whispers. So preach on Brother Scalia, preach on. Tell everyone what you really think, and we will make note of who is standing with you.

But worried? There is nothing to worry about. NO ONE is going to take away your right to vote. That's not going to happen.

ananda

(28,867 posts)
18. They bother me too -- a lot.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:57 PM
Feb 2013

Scalia is a national and judicial disgrace.

So is Clarence Thomas, but he's quiiet about it.
Scalia is loud and noisy.

 

Hard Assets

(274 posts)
20. It's past time to introduce articles of impeachment for Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:03 PM
Feb 2013

And Boehner will have to be forced to introduce one via a discharge petition.

former9thward

(32,028 posts)
32. No one is going to do that.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:50 PM
Feb 2013

If someone introduced an impeachment resolution against Scalia someone else would introduce one against Kagan and very quickly there would be impeachment resolutions against all 9 Justices. No one except anarchists want to see that fiasco.

red dog 1

(27,820 posts)
22. "Robert F. Kennedy used to say 'Some men see things as they are and ask why.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:09 PM
Feb 2013

Others dream things that never were and ask why not?'...that outlook has become a far too common and destructive approach to interpreting the law."

Antonin Scalia, in a speech at Catholic University, Columbus School of Law.
(Wikiquote)

red dog 1

(27,820 posts)
35. I'm confused...Are you saying that my posting of Scalia's quote is
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:02 PM
Feb 2013

"a slimy attempt to return to the past"?

Are you calling me "slimy' for posting the quote?

ananda

(28,867 posts)
39. That was Teddy Kennedy quoting Shaw at Bobby's funeral.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:38 PM
Feb 2013

It's the Serpent speaking in Back to Methuselah.


THE SERPENT. If I can do that, what can I not do? I tell you I am very
subtle. When you and Adam talk, I hear you say 'Why?' Always 'Why?' You
see things; and you say 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I
say 'Why not?' I made the word dead to describe my old skin that I cast
when I am renewed. I call that renewal being born.

red dog 1

(27,820 posts)
41. Teddy may well have quoted Shaw at his brother's funeral,
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 12:00 AM
Mar 2013

"Some look at things that are, and ask why, I dream of things that never were and ask why not?".....George Bernard Shaw

"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why....I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?".....Robert F. Kennedy

"Robert F. Kennedy used to say 'Some men see things as they are and ask why,
others dream things that never were and ask why not?'.That outlook has become a far too common and destructive approach to interpreting the law" ......Antonin Scalia


gollygee

(22,336 posts)
24. Uhm, people are entitled to vote!!
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:14 PM
Feb 2013

People are entitled to not have people try to keep them from voting because of their race!!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
38. Well yeah
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:30 PM
Feb 2013

Everywhere I typed "people", I mean, to be more specific, "citizens." But this current Supreme Court case is about the rights of citizens, not letting non-citizens vote.

iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
33. Scalia will argue that the framers of the Constitution
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:54 PM
Feb 2013

never intended for all Americans to vote. He will say that there is no Constitutional guarantee that any specific citizens have a right to vote. But the amendments that guarantee African Americans and women the right to vote clearly identify voting as a right. I'm not so sure about all white men though.
When we switched from Jeffersonian democracy to Jacksonian democracy was there a constitutional convention and an amendment? How was that decided and then coded into law.

pitbullgirl1965

(564 posts)
36. Wasn't Scalia the one who cited the tv show 24
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:09 PM
Feb 2013

to justify torture?! And how ironic of him: in the 19th and early 20th, Italians weren't regarded as white. It wasn't until later Italians and Irish were granted white privilage.
I hate that man.

alterfurz

(2,474 posts)
37. RobertsAlitoThomasScalia = RATS
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 10:30 PM
Feb 2013

Fat Tony responds to your concerns:


PS--along with Scalia, Alito & Thomas are also rumored to be Opus Dei

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
40. Opus Dei is an organization of the Catholic Church, isn't it?. Maybe he is just crabby about this
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 11:20 PM
Feb 2013

whole pope changing thing going on

Rhiannon12866

(205,552 posts)
42. I remember that Mario Cuomo said that he had no interest in serving on the Supreme Court
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:07 AM
Mar 2013

Because it would prevent him from speaking out. Guess Scalia didn't read the rule book.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
45. You're not serious.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:11 AM
Mar 2013

But just in case, the right has been trying to dismantle Equal Opportunity, Affirmative Action, etc., for decades. "Reverse discrimination," ya know. And now they've got a shot at the Voting Rights Act. Tony Boy is just doin' what he can to help the cause.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
46. it's a voting rights act, not affirmative action. what does he mean by 'racial entitlement' in
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:35 AM
Mar 2013

terms of the voting rights act?

no idea what he could possibly mean.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
47. I assume he's calling it
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:56 AM
Mar 2013

more "special treatment," lumping it in with those other things that grew out of the civil rights movement. At issue is mainly section 5 which requires states in the South with a history of minority voter suppression to get advance approval from the Feds before making changes to their voting laws. Alabama is calling that an "undue burden" that is no longer necessary because...black President.

moondust

(19,993 posts)
49. It is.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:29 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Fri Mar 1, 2013, 05:03 AM - Edit history (1)

I'll take a wild, wild guess that Alabama and some other states with the section 5 restriction would love to jump on the voter suppression bandwagon that has been sweeping other states with Republican officials, i.e. voter ID, cutting back on early voting, etc., but that doggone section 5 is standing in the way.

cheyanne

(733 posts)
51. Does SCOTUS have precedent of remarks like Scalia's on cases before the court?
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 12:53 PM
Mar 2013

Just wondering if this is in line with the history of the court: denigrating Congress and reasons for the law, etc. He can't be impeached but can we bring to bear on public opinion his lowering of the reputation of the court?

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