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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 07:49 PM Feb 2013

Give your description of what this country would be like today if there'd been no New Deal.

FDR's first term started 80 years ago this Monday. The GOP are obsessed with wiping out every vestige of everything he ever did(and everything Truman, JFK, LBJ, Carter, Clinton and Obama have done as well).

Do a thought experiment now and tell us what the country would be like if Hoover had been re-elected.

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Give your description of what this country would be like today if there'd been no New Deal. (Original Post) Ken Burch Feb 2013 OP
Wait a few years Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #1
There is a very real possibility that, without the New Deal, ... surrealAmerican Feb 2013 #2
Very likely. But given that many americans of that era admired Hitler, what type of nation bluestate10 Feb 2013 #8
That's true, BUT....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2013 #12
There's really no telling who would have wound up on top. surrealAmerican Feb 2013 #13
The US would have a strong Communist Party today n/t leftstreet Feb 2013 #3
If there'd been no New Deal? Easy, it would have been like six years from now. nt Poll_Blind Feb 2013 #4
"Please, sir, I want some more." WinkyDink Feb 2013 #5
"I see a third of a nation ill-housed, ill-clothed, ill-fed..." KamaAina Feb 2013 #6
The country wouldn't exist. nt bluestate10 Feb 2013 #7
India. zbdent Feb 2013 #9
We'd be allies with the Greater German Reich and the Japanese Empire. krispos42 Feb 2013 #10
Given the corporate support for the Nazis, depression could easily have become an opportunity for... hedda_foil Feb 2013 #11

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
8. Very likely. But given that many americans of that era admired Hitler, what type of nation
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:19 PM
Feb 2013

would a revolution have produced? It is easy to argue revolution, just don't do so without thinking about the unintended consequences.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
12. That's true, BUT.......
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:35 PM
Feb 2013

I believe there were more socialists/communists then. Personally, I think there would have been a civil war and a partitioning of the USA. Either that or the Nazis would have strolled in and picked up the pieces.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
13. There's really no telling who would have wound up on top.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 09:37 PM
Feb 2013

That's why revolutions are so risky. They create a void in leadership that will be filled by somebody, but you never quite know who ahead of time.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. "I see a third of a nation ill-housed, ill-clothed, ill-fed..."
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:15 PM
Feb 2013

Oh, wait a minute, that's what I see now.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
10. We'd be allies with the Greater German Reich and the Japanese Empire.
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:20 PM
Feb 2013

After that, we would have conquered the Americas, parts of Africa, the Middle East, and the Indian subcontinant, and ruled over them until we rotted from within and collapsed the world economy.



Or, we would have collapsed, been unable to help Britain and France when Hitler got frisky, and 20 years later been nuked and invaded by the Greater Germain Reich, then ethnically purified.

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
11. Given the corporate support for the Nazis, depression could easily have become an opportunity for...
Thu Feb 28, 2013, 08:33 PM
Feb 2013

The installation of a patriotic American fascist dictator,allied with Germany, and equally repulsed by anyone not of pure WASP origin. I'm afraid that would all too likely include death camps for Jewish Americans (who were still scapegoated virtually everywhere ... probably more in the US than in far more cosmopolitan and educated Germany at least into the early '30's). As for African and Hispanic Americans, slavery under SS style military control for the young and strong.

I'm sickened by how terribly likely this scenario would have been sans FDR. Anybody else see a more likely result?

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