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Botany

(70,521 posts) Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:17 AM Mar 2013

What are the chances of stopping the sequester, if any?

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I just don't get it because from what I can understand the sequester will
add to the deficit and that is the reason behind the across the board cuts.

BTW the deficit is going down under Obama too. This just doesn't make any sense except
for the republicans trying to tank the economy so they can blame Obama for the people
who get hurt.

http://blog.ourfuture.org/20130226/deficit-is-falling-dramatically-but-only-6-know-that

Once again, because it might be hard to register due to the drumbeat of deficit-scare propaganda, this is a fact: the deficit is falling at the fastest rate since the end of World War II. It is down about 50 percent as a percent of GDP just since Bush’s huge $1.4 trillion fiscal 2009 deficit. And the deficit is projected to be stable for a decade.

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never mind ..... Congress is taking the day off today. The first cuts should be to their salaries.

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What are the chances of stopping the sequester, if any? (Original Post) Botany Mar 2013 OP

None before it kicks in. Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #1

Congress views the "true" deadline as the expiration of the current continuing resolution OmahaBlueDog Mar 2013 #4

At this point pretty much zip. However the President could declare a state of "Economic Emergency. Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #2

Chances are zero that it will be stopped, but what if it is? MadHound Mar 2013 #3

First I heard that sequester will add to the deficit. Guess I need to read up that. nt Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2013 #5

Only if we cut Social Security to increase military spending. MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #6

Sorry...Hobson's choice My appologies for pointing it out Katashi_itto Mar 2013 #10

Thank you! MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #11

Yup, that was the plan all along. nt woo me with science Mar 2013 #13

The cuts can be reconciled with Norquistian ideology so the r's are willing to accept them. HereSince1628 Mar 2013 #7

no chance, I think. Tea party rules bigtree Mar 2013 #8

Today? sendero Mar 2013 #9

"taking the day off today." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #12

When I was 19 or 20 and I just took a day off work and then I was fired. Botany Mar 2013 #14

Bolo Boffin

(23,796 posts)

1. None before it kicks in.

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:19 AM

Mar 2013

As the effects begin to be felt, maybe then.

OmahaBlueDog

(10,000 posts)

4. Congress views the "true" deadline as the expiration of the current continuing resolution

Reply to Bolo Boffin (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:22 AM

Mar 2013

Which is 3/28 IIRC

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)

2. At this point pretty much zip. However the President could declare a state of "Economic Emergency.

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:19 AM

Mar 2013

That could make things interesting.

MadHound

(34,179 posts)

3. Chances are zero that it will be stopped, but what if it is?

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:22 AM

Mar 2013

Then we get Austerity Lite, with cuts to SS, Medicare and/or Medicaid, among other programs. Nobody in this fight is offering an alternative to austerity programs, just Meatcleaver Austerity, the sequester, or Austerity Lite. That's the real problem in all of this.

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)

5. First I heard that sequester will add to the deficit. Guess I need to read up that. nt

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:27 AM

Mar 2013

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)

6. Only if we cut Social Security to increase military spending.

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:35 AM

Mar 2013

A Hobson's Choice.

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)

10. Sorry...Hobson's choice My appologies for pointing it out

Reply to MannyGoldstein (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:38 AM

Mar 2013

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)

11. Thank you!

Reply to Katashi_itto (Reply #10)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:39 AM

Mar 2013

My keyboarding skills are weak this morning!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)

13. Yup, that was the plan all along. nt

Reply to MannyGoldstein (Reply #6)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 12:42 PM

Mar 2013

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)

7. The cuts can be reconciled with Norquistian ideology so the r's are willing to accept them.

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:35 AM

Mar 2013

As the speaker said at the time they were negotiated...he got 98% of what he wanted.

Sequestration will be triggered.

No evidence is needed to support the ideology and no evidence can be used to argue it away.

It is based on a belief system not available to suasion.

Tanking the recovery is merely a collateral cost of anti-federal insurrection with economic weapons. Making Obama look bad, if this actually does will be an added benefit by-product.

As their Saint Ronnie said, Government IS the problem. What emerges from sequestration is movement toward their bathtub sized grail for government.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)

8. no chance, I think. Tea party rules

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:37 AM

Mar 2013

. . . you hit on the right point when you say this move could actually add to the deficit they're claiming to care about reducing.

This is just an extension of the same reckless strategy republicans employed to try and defeat Obama's second term. They're relatively financially insulated against any economic downturn, so they don't care about wrecking the economy for the rest of us with the inane and vain hope that voters will blame the President.

sendero

(28,552 posts)

9. Today?

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:37 AM

Mar 2013

Almost none. Over the next few weeks, pretty good.

Either way Democrats win. If the Republicans think that tanking the economy will work in their favor they are sadly mistaken.

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)

12. "taking the day off today."

Reply to Botany (Original post)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 12:41 PM

Mar 2013

Isn't that fucking lovely?!

How many of us, or anybody for that matter, gets to walk away from a problem when others are relying on it to be fixed??

How many will be guaranteed a paycheck and not a pink slip for that kind on non-action???!!!

Congress, do your fucking job.

The first cuts should be to their salaries.

A-Fucking-Men to that!

Austerity for us, caviar for them!

Botany

(70,521 posts)

14. When I was 19 or 20 and I just took a day off work and then I was fired.

Reply to R. Daneel Olivaw (Reply #12)

Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:11 PM

Mar 2013

Two days after John Boner's telling the senate to get off their asses and the Congress
takes the day off.

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