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woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:13 PM Mar 2013

Well, the austerity scam worked. Now on to education.

Last edited Sat Mar 2, 2013, 12:53 PM - Edit history (1)

They got what they wanted. We now have either the sequester and its devastating social program cuts, or a Democratic President signing into law the vicious Social Security cuts he requested. The faux Shock Doctrine debt ceiling crisis of the spring was successfully orchestrated to guarantee austerity no matter what.

So, now that we are guaranteed the economy-slowing, pain- and desperation-inducing austerity that hundreds of economists warned against, what's on the agenda for the corporate thieves next?

Oh, the next one's a biggie. They're coming for our education system, at the expense of our children and our nation's future. They will make a bundle on thi$$$$$$$ one, and they will accomplish it under a Democratic President:


Education: The "Big Enchilada"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002967097

The World Bank as Prime Mover in the Global Privatization of Public Education: Mexico
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022434264

Education professor says Arne's plans not unique to U. S., previously carried out in Chile.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=219x28157

Arne says sequester will force large Title I, Special Ed cuts. Meanwhile billions go to "reformers"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022436415

Obama’s Universal Preschool Proposal = Race to the Top for Tots (more education deform)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022378733

The roots of education deform go way back, & current developments follow previously outlined path...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022281934

RAVITCH: Conservative think tank praises Obama for standing up to teachers' unions
http://www.democraticunderground.com/101642419

The goal of education deform: "Public schools" to equal "Welfare schools"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021954716


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Well, the austerity scam worked. Now on to education. (Original Post) woo me with science Mar 2013 OP
yup Skittles Mar 2013 #1
Yup. We're being bled to death to enrich a priveleged few and all we can ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2013 #2
Perfectly said Rider3 Mar 2013 #51
Bled to death in every way. So true. Look at what we pay for drugs, food, loudsue Mar 2013 #61
Yes, we are being harvested. woo me with science Mar 2013 #62
Rahm is =still= working to privatize schools in Chicago, even after the huge teacher's strike! Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #3
The people are like ants to them. woo me with science Mar 2013 #10
Obama won and ProSense Mar 2013 #4
...the people lost. woo me with science Mar 2013 #5
Wow, ProSense Mar 2013 #6
Hey Prosense... you quote Howard Dean all of the time MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #73
It's the next great corporate welfare scam jsr Mar 2013 #7
I remember when the nation had problems to solve. Now we have unsolvable "crises" to frighten us. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2013 #8
Yup. Shock Doctrine woo me with science Mar 2013 #59
Michael Parenti summarizes the 1%'s world view Doctor_J Mar 2013 #9
No one is on our side. Bake Mar 2013 #13
Reminds me of a news item about the game "Monopoly"... rwsanders Mar 2013 #33
And don't forget Chile. madfloridian Mar 2013 #11
Thank you for that link. woo me with science Mar 2013 #43
Chile was the laboratory for restructuring European and now N. American economies and societies leveymg Mar 2013 #64
Even though Friedmanism has failed. n/t duffyduff Mar 2013 #69
That failure was understood in the late '80s when Bush Sr. and the IMF allowed Pinochet to topple leveymg Mar 2013 #76
And along the way, they'll kill the Post Office just for the hell of it. Bake Mar 2013 #12
It isn't much fun watching all this happen in slow motion Blecht Mar 2013 #14
remind us again, who appointed arne duncan and endorses race to the top? nt msongs Mar 2013 #15
It couldn't be one of those from a pay-to-play politicial system, could it? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #21
Appeared on a panel? I'm more afraid of private meetings. immoderate Mar 2013 #53
Now that's not fair AT ALL. woo me with science Mar 2013 #54
Yup - Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2013 #16
You got it! Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #19
He is a "New Dem" -- Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2013 #26
Your reality is not reality... Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #28
Whoa! That was mind blowing! woo me with science Mar 2013 #34
You can't make this stuff up - but you're tryin! Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #35
"how Obama benefits these cuts" (sic) woo me with science Mar 2013 #39
A lot of rambling and not much said... Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #40
"Obama hater." woo me with science Mar 2013 #41
OF course you're an Obama hater... Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #42
There is a VIDEO in the post you are RESPONDING to, that SHOWS Marr Mar 2013 #46
Bullshit. Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #47
... Marr Mar 2013 #49
I am not talking entitlement reform. Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #50
You're wasting your time trying to get the Obama-haters to see anything.... OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #58
Obama put the chained cpi on the table. madfloridian Mar 2013 #67
Shhhhh... Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2013 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Mar 2013 #45
He's a neoliberal duffyduff Mar 2013 #66
"Neoliberal" Hell Hath No Fury Mar 2013 #75
Agreed. Of course, some will continue to say that he's just playing 5-dimensional chess, it's all AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #23
You're pretty slow. Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #36
When a person such as yourself uses the phrase "diarrhea of the mouth," that indicates that they AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #37
Too bad. Drunken Irishman Mar 2013 #38
You just insulted every single poster you spoke to just1voice Mar 2013 #56
You gona get it now! You said panties. lonestarnot Mar 2013 #57
Should have taken the fiscal cliff in Jan so we at least got a real tax increase on the 1%... on point Mar 2013 #17
You aren't supposed to notice things like that. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #60
K& R MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #18
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #20
Speculative outrage is the best outrage...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #22
Yep ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #30
I see the "doomsday" trolls are Iliyah Mar 2013 #24
"Trolls" my ass! markpkessinger Mar 2013 #48
Nonsense! MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #72
Niccolo Machiavelli tried that by writing "The Prince" and 2naSalit Mar 2013 #78
Thank you for posting this. The links that you included, of course, verify exactly what is said. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #25
"President Barack Obama says avoiding the deep cuts" ProSense Mar 2013 #27
K&R NorthCarolina Mar 2013 #29
I just called Ron Johnson's office. Staffer says he does not have an AllyCat Mar 2013 #31
The kind of people sulphurdunn Mar 2013 #32
It's the Brittish anti- public school system: Only the rich get educated lindysalsagal Mar 2013 #44
If an agreement had been reached treestar Mar 2013 #52
Obama stabbed students and teachers in the back. I will never forgive him. Orlandodem Mar 2013 #55
Obama has a lot to answer for, and he's never been made to duffyduff Mar 2013 #65
Gangsterism duffyduff Mar 2013 #63
Bullshit. MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #68
Thanks for setting those "haters" straight, TWM. duffyduff Mar 2013 #70
When Democrats are in charge, yes. nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #71
Education coffers need to be looted shcrane71 Mar 2013 #77
Rec'cing this thread on education. With a big thank you truedelphi Mar 2013 #79
k/r. Sweet list. limpyhobbler Mar 2013 #80
kick woo me with science Mar 2013 #81
 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
2. Yup. We're being bled to death to enrich a priveleged few and all we can
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:22 PM
Mar 2013

do is watch it happen.

I don't even recognize this country anymore.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
61. Bled to death in every way. So true. Look at what we pay for drugs, food,
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:22 AM
Mar 2013

gas. Gas has gotten so high because the oil companies have to pay for all those politicians they bought in the last election.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
62. Yes, we are being harvested.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 12:28 PM
Mar 2013

In a corporate society, human beings become "human resourcces."

Corporate morality values only profit. It has no use for a Bill of Rights or "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
3. Rahm is =still= working to privatize schools in Chicago, even after the huge teacher's strike!
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:22 PM
Mar 2013

ChicagoTeachersUnion ?@CTULocal1

President Karen Lewis Speaks Out Against School Closings at the Board of Education [VIDEO] http://ow.ly/iaH6b




ChicagoTeachersUnion ?@CTULocal1

Rally and March to stop school closings! March 27, 2013 - Daley Plaza 4:00 PM http://ow.ly/i958Z #EDUJustice


129 schools on the chopping block! Follow the Chicago Teacher's Union on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/CTULocal1

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. Obama won and
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:23 PM
Mar 2013

some people are upset that he didn't become a one-termer as they hoped.

Health care reform won (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022424843). Wall Street reform won (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022441546). Raising taxes on the rich won (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022409893). These assholes feel progress biting at their greedy, status-quo asses.

The sequester will be replaced.

Statement from the President (on filibuster of Democratic sequester replacement)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022443634

Eugene Robinson: Obama, winning the argument
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022381931

The notion that the President and Boehner are in on some scam is absurd.

Oh, check out some of the speeches of the new World Bank President, an Obama appointee.

World Bank Group President Jim Yong Kim Speech on Anti-Corruption at the Center for Strategic and International Studies
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/speech/2013/01/30/world-bank-group-president-jim-yong-kim-speech-anti-corruption-center-for-strategic-and-international-studies

World Bank Group President Jim Yong Kim Speech at the Conference on Extreme Poverty and Social Inclusion in Port-au-Prince, Haiti
http://www.worldbank.org/en/news/speech/2012/11/06/world-bank-group-president-jim-yong-kim-speech-conference-on-extreme-poverty-social-inclusion

World Bank President On Climate Crisis: ‘If There Is No Action Soon, The Future Will Become Bleak’http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/01/25/1497031/world-bank-president-on-climate-crisis-if-there-is-no-action-soon-the-future-will-become-bleak/

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. Wow,
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:29 PM
Mar 2013

"...the people lost."

...you agree with the President.

Obama: ‘This Is A Loss For The American People’

President Obama on Friday said the automatic spending cuts set to kick in is not a win for any party involved in negotiations.

"I'm saying that everybody is going to have to do something, and the one key to this whole thing is trying to make sure we keep in mind who we are are here for," Obama said at the White House. "We're not here for ourselves. We're thought here for our parties. We're not here to advance our electoral prospects. We're here for American families who have been getting battered pretty good over the last four years, are just starting to see the economy improve and businesses are just starting to see some coming back. This is not a win for anybody. This is a loss for the American people. And, again, if we step back and just remind ourselves what it is we're supposed to be doing here, then hopefully common sense will be in the end."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-this-is-loss-for-american-people


Obama: I Can’t Use ‘Jedi Mindmeld’ On Congress To Fix Sequestration
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022445479

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
8. I remember when the nation had problems to solve. Now we have unsolvable "crises" to frighten us.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:35 PM
Mar 2013

And, garner campaign contributions and provide cover for politicians who fail to do their jobs.

"History has tried to teach us that we can't have good government under politicians.  Now, to go and stick one at the very head of government couldn't be wise." Mark Twain

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
9. Michael Parenti summarizes the 1%'s world view
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 01:53 PM
Mar 2013

"We have a lot. We can get more. We want it all". I don't see how they're going to be stopped. We have a president with a (D) after his name selling off education and Social Security after renewing top-heavy tax cuts and the insane DoD budget. Seriously, who is on our side??

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
33. Reminds me of a news item about the game "Monopoly"...
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:11 PM
Mar 2013

I've always said that to the wealthy it isn't a game, it's training.
According to this article, that is just what the game was designed to expose:
http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/shady-origins-five-popular-board-games-202719027.html

Also bothers me how the repugs have perverted another word "entitlement". To me a sense of "entitlement" is a 1%er thinking they have a right to 5 houses and caviar while just a few blocks away, kids have no home at all and are struggling to find a meal. Here in the U.S. of A. That's insane.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
76. That failure was understood in the late '80s when Bush Sr. and the IMF allowed Pinochet to topple
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 02:46 PM
Mar 2013

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The hallmark of Friedman Supply-side economics and IMF Restructuring was privatization, austerity for the lower and middle-classes, and a push to export and sell-off assets that had previously been nationalized. However, the Junta never really progressed past the national security state model of development, and was in many ways still a closed state-controlled economy. Dictatorships are expensive to operate, and global bankers are pragmatic.

The Chilean economy under the dictatorship floundered, with both joblessness and costs of living increasing faster than any South American country in the years after the coup. Chile's failures to meet projections for growth of exports and profitability for multinationals caused a reassessment, and a dictatorship was viewed as unsustainable and unprofitable, so, neoliberal reforms and limited re-democratization were implemented. Pinochet lost his plebicite, and was pressured to stand down after 17 years of military dictatorship in Chile. But, not before the alternative of fascism was proven unworkable.

Chile under the neoliberal system of exports-driven development, a controlled democracy, private ownership with limited welfare state social services was closely studied as the model for restructuring Former Soviet Bloc countries and eventually adopted as the means to "reform" larger former Social Democracies of the west.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
14. It isn't much fun watching all this happen in slow motion
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 02:16 PM
Mar 2013

It's not like we don't see this coming -- it has all been painfully obvious from the beginning.

If only we had somebody to vote for who is not part of the political theater that is destroying the United States of America, bit by bit.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
21. It couldn't be one of those from a pay-to-play politicial system, could it?
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:13 PM
Mar 2013

Of course, we should not suspect that Arne Duncan (from Chicago) is familiar with the pay-to-play system. We should obviously not suspect that we know that Obama is not. Certain events which benefit particular individuals are just coincidences.

"In February 2012, Duncan was criticized for appearing publicly on a panel with Michelle Rhee—former Washington D.C. Chancellor of Schools. The Office of the Inspector General of the Department of Education (the Department which Duncan heads) was, at that time, investigating whether D.C. schools had cheated to raise test scores during Rhee's tenure. On February 26, 2012, the New York Times quoted criticisms of Duncan by Richard L. Hyde, an investigator who exposed the large-scale test-score cheating that was endemic in Atlanta (Georgia) City Schools:
“'I’m shocked that the secretary of education would be fraternizing with someone who could potentially be the target of the investigation,' [Hyde] said. 'The appearance of a conflict of interest is troubling because it can cause the public to lose faith in the investigation'."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arne_Duncan
 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
53. Appeared on a panel? I'm more afraid of private meetings.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 09:18 PM
Mar 2013

Educators at that level appear on panels all the time. That's what they do.

If they don't appear on a panel together, does that mean they are not crooks?

--imm

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
54. Now that's not fair AT ALL.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:05 PM
Mar 2013

Are you implying that Obama supports Arne Duncan and the corporatization of schools?

We all know that, deep down, Obama is just as vehemently opposed to his really bad corporate appointments as we are.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
16. Yup -
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 02:20 PM
Mar 2013

The cuts/soon to be changes were what O and many Dems (and most GOPers) wanted from the start. The Dems just wanted a way to pin the blame publicly on the GOP.

We the People have been (once again) played.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
19. You got it!
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 02:58 PM
Mar 2013

This is exactly what Obama wanted. He wanted to ruin his presidency through cuts that killed the economic growth he worked his whole first term working toward. Boy, you're really smart. I wish more people were as smart as you. I mean, it's clear as day, right? It's not like Obama has anything to lose here, right? Except his legacy ... and any second term agenda that will ultimately be at risk now because of a bad economic recession that could be down the pike. But that's a small price to pay just to kick-start austerity, right? HE MUST BE IN ON IT!

This is the dumbest thing I've read on DU. Why would Obama stake his whole presidency on cuts that would ultimately ruin it? Am I to believe he's that careless or dumb? I know some DUers like to believe Obama is as stupid as some of the posters here ... but that just isn't the case.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
26. He is a "New Dem" --
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:21 PM
Mar 2013

A pragmatist, not an idealist. He knows that Congress would be unable to make the kind of cuts he believes would be necessary, so the sequester was the easiest, most politically expedient way to allows those cuts to go through. He has never been shy about voicing his view of the need for serious cuts. He is the one that put together the Simpson Bowles Commission, looking for recommendations on places to cut. He got his cuts -- including big defense one -- just like he wanted. Sorry, that's just reality.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
28. Your reality is not reality...
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:26 PM
Mar 2013

And stating that it is reality doesn't make it so.

So, I'm supposed to believe Obama is okay with ruining his entire presidency, his legacy - going out as the one who oversaw another economic recession - just because he buys into some warped theory of what you believe he buys into?

That is absolutely silly. Seriously. Obama WANTS these cuts, cuts he knows will ruin the recovery he spent his entire first four years as president working on, knowing full well it'll kill him politically, do in any second term agenda ... something that could doom him in the history books as a failed president - and I'm supposed to believe that?

Get out of here with that trash!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
34. Whoa! That was mind blowing!
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:34 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Sat Mar 2, 2013, 02:38 AM - Edit history (1)

Obama doesn't want the cuts!!!!!

War is Peace.
Freedom is Slavery.
Ignorance is Strength.
And Obama is desperately AGAINST cuts to Social Security!

Psssst. Someone had better tell Obama, because there is something really, really weird going on. He has a mysterious double around Washington who seems bent and determined on not only proposing them REPEATEDLY, but giving soaring public speeches about how necessary they are and how liberals need to get over themselves and swallow those peas!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022442981

In POB's Own Words:"Democrats have to accept the need for entitlement reform"

KoKo
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President Obama Speaks at a Business Council Dinner

February 27, 2013 | 9:26 | Public Domain

President Obama delivers remarks to the Business Council during a dinner.

Park Hyatt Hotel
Washington, D.C.



#t=0s

What we should be doing -- and what I've been calling for repeatedly over the last not just several months, but several years -- is a balanced approach to deficit reduction that combines some tough spending cuts, particularly focused on how do we deal with long-term trends on some of our entitlement programs, and a tax reform agenda that without raising tax rates further could in fact raise sufficient revenues that combined would yield about $1.5 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade; would replace the sequester; would bring our deficit-to-GDP ratios below the 3 percent threshold that we need for stabilization; that would stabilize our debt-to-GDP ratios for the next decade; and would lay the groundwork for more expansive growth because we would have simplified our tax system, closed some loopholes, broadened our base, seen an opportunity for corporate tax reform that could also make the whole system more sensible and give you guys a more competitive posture internationally. That's what we should be doing.

OKAY...SO GOOD SO FAR......

Now, you'll be happy to know that that's what I offered to my Republican friends back in December after my election, before the fiscal cliff. Many of you were involved in voicing support for such a balanced approach, even if you didn't sign on to every detail and every line item in our recommended budget. And what I've said is that that continues to be the offer on the table. I am prepared to make some tough decisions, some of which will garner some significant frustration on the part of members of my party, but I think it’s the right thing to do.



What I can’t do is to abide by a set of decisions here in Washington that would put the entire burden of deficit reduction on our seniors -- making their health care more expensive; students -- that would make their student loans and going to college more expensive; that would gut our investments in education and research and infrastructure -- all the foundations for long-term growth.. That’s not what we’re going to do, because it wouldn’t be good for the country and, frankly, it would not be good for your businesses.

's for this one...

BUT THEN HE SAYS:

Now, the question then becomes how do we get from here to there. And I was telling Andrew before we came out the issue is not technical, the issue is political. And the question is whether or not we are going to see a willingness on the part of all parties to compromise in a meaningful way. And what that means is Democrats have to accept the need for entitlement reform. But it also means that Republicans have to accept the need for additional revenues if we’re going to be able to actually close this deficit and provide the kind of certainty that you need to make your long-term investments.



Whether that can be done in the next two days -- I haven’t seen things done in two days here in Washington in quite some time. On the other hand, the good news is that I think the public is beginning to pay attention to this, and one thing I’m certain about is that the country as a whole is weary of Washington for presiding over a manufactured crisis every three months. It’s not good for business confidence. It’s certainly not good for consumer confidence. It’s unnecessary.

"Not Good for Business Confidence...Not good for Consumer Confidence. It's unnecessary." (Why is it always about BUSINESS and CONSUMERS?&quot WE ARE THE PEOPLE!


MORE at:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/2013/02/27/president-obama-speaks-business-council-dinner#transcript



Man, the denial is thick and brazen. You can't make this stuff up.



 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
35. You can't make this stuff up - but you're tryin!
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:37 PM
Mar 2013

Please, for the sake of my sanity, explain to me politically what Obama gains from these cuts? Don't go down the rabbit hole of paranoia, which you seem intent on doing, and really outline how Obama benefits these cuts that could potentially wreck the economy. I want a sound, logical argument on why he would sabotage his own second term for these cuts ... knowing it undermines every aspect of his presidency and his legacy. If you can do that, I'll not only fly you out to my city to kiss your ass, I'll give a gold bar. Deal?

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
39. "how Obama benefits these cuts" (sic)
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 05:42 PM
Mar 2013

Last edited Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:34 AM - Edit history (3)

Oh, that was rich.

Really, that's supreme irony, to offer your argument based on "reality," when your entire post is predicated on the jaw-droppingly absurd assertion that Obama, despite ALL his repeated comments, press conferences, public denigration of liberals, passionate speeches, and multiple formal written offers of cuts,...in *reality* does not want cuts in Social Security.

Nope. In Third Way "reality," he secretly opposes them with all his heart and soul and all the principled outrage of any good Democrat. He LOATHES them.

I love these sorts of posts, because they expose the utter garbage of the Third Way's attempts to play both sides. Obama reeeeally, reaeeally believes in the same things we do, but his administration just cannot seem to help doing the opposite, over and over again. They are like the posts that insist that he secretly abhors the war on marijuana and really and truly would rather be prosecuting criminal banks, too, but he just cannot seem to control his Justice Department ("It's a SEPARATE ENTITY!!!11!!&quot .

As to your stunningly ridiculous question to me: Are you seriously pretending that DUers are that naive, that they don't see the money flooding our electoral system and Washington? Are you seriously suggesting that DUers are so pathetically stupid that we don't understand how elections are financed these days, the deluge of corporate money that is involved, and the loyalties and obligations that engenders? Are you seriously suggesting that we are not aware of the power of lobbying and the corporate and banking money that floods Washington in both parties, through the halls of the White House and Congress, every single day?

And do you seriously think we haven't noticed how elections work these days? Two corporate candidates, and the Republican is always worse. Who ya gonna vote for, suckah?

Let me drop my sarcasm for a moment and speak to you plainly, because this is important. America is sick and tired of being looted, and we are especially sick and tired of being lied to by the ubiquitous corporate media machine, forever droning that "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength" and that our representatives are still doing their Very Best, in every way, on behalf of our interests.

We are, again and again and again, in every permutation possible, being sold out by both parties, in a country that we were raised to believe would always have our best interests at heart. And the problem is SYSTEMIC, occurring across party lines.

We have been here the whole time, remember? We remember how all this started. From the faux debt ceiling "crisis," to the inevitable orchestrated outcome of two options, either of which will benefit the one percent and soak the rest of us, this was perfectly executed Shock Doctrine from the start.

Don't "trickle down" on us and tell us it's raining.





 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
40. A lot of rambling and not much said...
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 05:56 PM
Mar 2013

It's typical of the Obama haters - both on the left and the right. It's remarkable how the left and the right use the same outline when it comes to attacking the President. But what's even more remarkable is that nowhere in your long-winded rant did you ever say anything of substance that points to why Obama would want to the sequester knowing full well it could wreck the economic recovery he staked his WHOLE LEGACY ON. We're not talking Social Security, so, I don't even see why that's in your bluster - we're talking the sequester. Something you believe Obama purposely set up so that it could go off in his second term and undo all the economic progress he spent four years making. Don't you see the absolute absurdity in that?

OBAMA GAINS NOTHING if the economy goes into a recession. Are you that dense to not see this? His president is absolutely tied to the stability of the economy. If we plunge back into a recession, if these cuts are as dire as some on DU say they are (and an extension, the Prez), everything he wants to do in his second term - from gun control to immigration reform - will be held hostage by it. It will wreck his legacy and kill any potential mandate he had coming out of the election. What you blathered on about does not change that,. Obama has as much invested in the economy rebounding as the average worker because it's his whole presidency. He knows he has a small window of opportunity to pass anything of substance and that window absolutely closes the second the economy plunges into a recession because it will be HIS ass who gets the blame - not Boehner ... not the GOP - but the President. Why? Because it's always the President who gets the blame when the economy goes south - just ask Jimmy Carter, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush.

But I'm to believe that is something he actively wants? Give me a break. Obama isn't nearly as stupid or evil as you make him out to be.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
41. "Obama hater."
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 06:08 PM
Mar 2013

There we go again.

The predictable trump card of insult, to which all these discussions inevitably descend.

No, it's not about Obama, or about "Obama haters." It's not about his legacy. It's not even about his beautiful wife and children, although you can be assured that they will all be well taken care of for the rest of their lives as a result of his service.

It's about policy, and who drives it. It's about the purchase of governments by banks and global corporations. It's about the real power and money now behind this nation and this empire, and how they are using our government to build and restructure and refine a system that will perpetuate that wealth and power and continue to grow it, long after Obama has left office.

That's what it's about.



 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
42. OF course you're an Obama hater...
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 06:19 PM
Mar 2013

How else am I supposed to take someone who believes Obama is secretly sabotaging the economy for some political third way bullshit that only exists in your mind? That's what you're rambling on and on and on about - Obama drew up the sequester to push austerity and in the process wreck the economy.

Regardless of the fact his entire presidency is invested in the economy and if it goes into the tank, so does his legacy and his ability to get anything done. If Obama was that evil...if Obama wanted so badly to fuck over every poor person, he would have just announced he wasn't running for president and let the Republicans ruin the economy on their own and then his legacy could stay intact. But because he won reelection, he has an interest in the economy not tanking considering IT WOULD DO HIM IN.

The Obama derangement syndrome is so bad that you are trying to push this bullshit, absolutely insane theory that Obama is evil enough to suicide bomb his own presidency for cuts to appease the real power players.

And you say you're not an Obama hater? If you're not ... then you've got more problems than you're willing to accept.

Seriously. These conspiracy theories from the left and the right, trying to paint Obama into some super villain hellbent on destroying the world, are some of the dumbest, ridiculous most idiotic things I've ever read. The fact they're allowed here on DU shows just how far this site has fallen the last few years. It's mind boggling that liberals actually buy this crap.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
46. There is a VIDEO in the post you are RESPONDING to, that SHOWS
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:30 PM
Mar 2013

Obama endorsing what you continue to insist he never would.

Jesus Christ, that is cartoonishly stupid.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
49. ...
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:42 PM
Mar 2013

I am referring to "entitlement reform", ie, SS/Medicare cuts.

...

Let's just save some time. I'll summarize what's bound to follow if we continue.

You: "Entitlement reform doesn't mean cuts!"

Me: "Yes it does, and we all know it does, reference to "superlative CPI", etc.

You: You have diarrhea of the mouth, Obama Hater!

There. Now we can both take the rest of the sub-thread off.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
50. I am not talking entitlement reform.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:54 PM
Mar 2013

I am talking about this...

The cuts/soon to be changes were what O and many Dems (and most GOPers) wanted from the start. The Dems just wanted a way to pin the blame publicly on the GOP.


A stupid post that makes it sound like Obama purposely set up the sequester to blame the Republicans for cuts he wants ... even though we all know the cuts could potentially undermine his entire presidency by plunging the country into a recession. It's a stupid claim and anyone who advances it should be questioned.

Obama didn't want these cuts. Why would he want these cuts to undo all the work he's put into trying to pull this country out of the worst recession since the Great Depression? Like I said, some DUers are no different than the right in trying to paint Obama as some crazed master villain who wants to ruin us all.

OldDem2012

(3,526 posts)
58. You're wasting your time trying to get the Obama-haters to see anything....
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 01:50 AM
Mar 2013

....other than their opinion that the President is secretly trying to ruin the country. Incredible.

Every time I see posts expressing that kind opinion I wonder if I'm about to see Rod Serling inviting me to take a personal tour of the Twilight Zone.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
67. Obama put the chained cpi on the table.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 12:45 PM
Mar 2013

He offered it up to them.

He has made it his policy to kill public education while calling it reform. He wants public schools turned into charter schools, and he's serious.

Response to Drunken Irishman (Reply #28)

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
66. He's a neoliberal
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 12:43 PM
Mar 2013

Neoliberalism has taken hold of BOTH political parties and is a cancer that is destroying America.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
75. "Neoliberal"
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 02:44 PM
Mar 2013

Socially liberal, but hawkish and all about Wall Street. My least favorite kind of "liberal".

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
23. Agreed. Of course, some will continue to say that he's just playing 5-dimensional chess, it's all
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:15 PM
Mar 2013

Republicans' fault, just give him more time, etc.

How much more time do some people need? Of course, some people are slower than others.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
36. You're pretty slow.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:38 PM
Mar 2013

Or dumb. Maybe both. I don't know. It's hard for me to take anyone seriously who really believes Obama is going to sabotage his second term for these cuts...that he wants to wreck the economy and undo everything he spent the first four years working to fix. Do you really believe that or do you have diarrhea of the mouth?

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
37. When a person such as yourself uses the phrase "diarrhea of the mouth," that indicates that they
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:51 PM
Mar 2013

cannot engage in an intelligent discussion.

Your vulgar use of "diarrhea of the mouth" is a meaningless insult except to show that you don't have much imagination.

Is that the best that you can do? Are you nothing more than shit slime?

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
38. Too bad.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 05:03 PM
Mar 2013

I'm tired of this bullshit from the left and the right trying to turn the President into some super villain who has this master plan to ruin the country and overtake the world. But now you know how I feel because I see nothing intelligent coming from your side. Your argument is seriously tantamount to diarrhea of the mouth solely because it's absolute babbling shit. If you truly believe Obama wants to sabotage the country just to appease some deep, dark lust for cuts ... then I have no use for you or your opinion. No more than those who believe Obama is going to send us all to FEMA camps. To me, both are about as equal in their reality.

But I find it fascinating you're okay with calling someone slow, implying they're stupid and then get your panties in a wad over me pointing out your stupidity.

So, give up the moronic rambling. Thanks.

 

just1voice

(1,362 posts)
56. You just insulted every single poster you spoke to
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 01:01 AM
Mar 2013

I read them all and learned nothing but what a complete waste of time you are.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
60. You aren't supposed to notice things like that.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:02 AM
Mar 2013

It's just too bad that nobody could've predicted this turn of events.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
24. I see the "doomsday" trolls are
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:17 PM
Mar 2013

out in full force. At least the paid trolls are getting a few dollars.

Look how long it took the GOPpers to past "women's" violent act. Immigration is another uphill battle. Closing the loopholes will be another major fight, and thats the major problem. GOPpers are doing the bidding of the 1-2% but will eventually crash and in a month or less and the sequester will be repealed. A great many of the people who will be hurt lives in the "red" states. I know GOPpers don't care about them, but they voters.

Many supporter of the GOP party don't know whats going on and truly think that Pres O want to rise their taxes which untrue.
As to SSI and Medicare/Medicaid and here in Cali Medi-Cal, if Pres O gets his way they will be strengthen.

markpkessinger

(8,401 posts)
48. "Trolls" my ass!
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 08:38 PM
Mar 2013

A lot the people you are complaining about have been members here a hell of a lot longer than you. Where the hell do you get off calling them "trolls?" The accusation of "troll" has become a one-size-fits-all response to any legitimate criticism of this President from the left.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
72. Nonsense!
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 01:14 PM
Mar 2013

Mr. Rove cut me off after the election. I'm doing this gratis now, in hopes that I'll get hired again.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
27. "President Barack Obama says avoiding the deep cuts"
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:25 PM
Mar 2013
When Congress agreed on automatic slash-and-burn spending cuts in 2011—if no big bipartisan deficit reduction package could be achieved—the cuts were designed to be so unpalatable that Republicans and Democrats would feel compelled to concoct a better deal to replace them. President Barack Obama says avoiding the deep cuts, called sequestration in DC-speak, should be a "no-brainer." But Republicans are increasingly saying the sequester won't be so bad. Sen. Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) said Thursday that the $85 billion in cuts "would really help a long way and get us on a sustainable fiscal path."


12 Ways the Sequester Will Screw the Poor
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/02/budget-cuts-sequester-low-income-poor
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022446153

AllyCat

(16,192 posts)
31. I just called Ron Johnson's office. Staffer says he does not have an
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:37 PM
Mar 2013

official position on this. To which I replied "Does he ever?". Staffer laughed and said "Sometimes".

He said the Senator is still formulating a plan that will be beneficial to the majority.

I suggested Senator Johnson give up his pay and benefits while the rest of us suffer.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
32. The kind of people
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 03:50 PM
Mar 2013

who attend the annual Bilderberg gatherings have determined that public austerity and private luxury are to be the new global arrangement. It would be easier to resist if 2/3 of the public didn't think it was something else.

Orlandodem

(1,115 posts)
55. Obama stabbed students and teachers in the back. I will never forgive him.
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 10:26 PM
Mar 2013

Teachers worked hard to get him elected, then he appointed Duncan. I would have had no problem if he lost last year. A Republican would have eliminated RTTT.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
65. Obama has a lot to answer for, and he's never been made to
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 12:41 PM
Mar 2013

The only people who have his back are the billionaires and hedge fund crooks who are being given full rein to kill our public education system.

It was only with the election of Obama and the appointment of Duncan as ed secretary that the wholesale destruction on public education began in earnest. Bush and company barely got started.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
63. Gangsterism
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 12:39 PM
Mar 2013

Our country is literally being run by and for gangsters. Al Capone never had this lofty goal of looting the public treasury for profit.

This is what it is all about--theft without any restrictions whatsoever.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
68. Bullshit.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 01:05 PM
Mar 2013

You are unrealistic, these are really important things to do.

Save your bile for when Republicans are in charge again, and do these same things. Then you'll be justified.

Regards,

Third-Way Manny

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
79. Rec'cing this thread on education. With a big thank you
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 05:36 PM
Mar 2013

And Thanks to many people here, I am aware of what is going on. Meanwhile so many of my friends are getting the word from various sources, about how very needed it is to stop having the usual public schools, but instead realizing that the citizens need to "start looking at making needed changes."

I guess it is all about framing the issue. And so far, the other side has the money time resources and the ignorance of so many regarding this issue.

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