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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 08:39 PM Mar 2013

I wish they'd call the sequester what it really is, Austerity

And then report what it is doing to Europe. I wonder how long it will be after people start feeling the austerity before they start complaining. After they start complaining, I wonder how long it will be before they get mad and see through the Repuke bullshit and stop voting based on tired old wedge issues (god, guns, gays...) and start voting for their survival.

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MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
9. I know people are fond of citing Reagan but I think it began before him.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:35 PM
Mar 2013

The steady increase in energy began in the 70's. The cost of energy is a root cause of everything we are experiencing. And it will only get worse.

 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
11. Ah. I seem to remember Cheney refusing to discuss his "energy policy" so the trend is clear.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:39 PM
Mar 2013

And I clearly remember Bush family friends OPEC engaging in embargo against President Carter to make him appear weak, and to inconvenience Americans to the point that they'd rebel (exactly as Enron did to install Schwarzenneger in Calfornia).

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
12. The wealthy know very well what is going on. Have for decades.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:47 PM
Mar 2013

The curious thing is the near wealthy. They are clueless. The middle class gets it but are deluded by a Walmart/Target mode of thinking. And the lower class are simply living moment to moment anyway.

For those who are aware, its like watching our own suicide.

 

MichiganVote

(21,086 posts)
16. Yup. Sometimes I wonder how many of us there really are. Aware and thinking, but
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 01:50 PM
Mar 2013

powerless to plan. Like being on a prolonged Titanic cruise. One time I read somebody's tongue in cheek post that said something to the effect "...living on a planet flying at light year speeds thru the cosmos, what could possibly go wrong?" I thought that pretty much sums it up.

upi402

(16,854 posts)
2. I don't hold out much hope for Americans wising up
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 08:43 PM
Mar 2013

Too many are smugly certain that the propaganda in their brains is pragmatic fact - that it seems hopeless.

We would need actual media outlets to counter the bullshit.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
3. Ah yes, call the 'Pugs on their Meatcleaver Austerity, demand change,
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 08:45 PM
Mar 2013

Watch Obama and Dems swoop in with the Grand Bargain, ie Austerity Lite, where SS, Medicare and/or Medicaid get cut.

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
4. Thats what the plan is
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 08:51 PM
Mar 2013

Let things get bad enough that Obama's Grand Bargain even sounds good to grandma on Social Security.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. Austerity for the 99, not the 1%
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 08:58 PM
Mar 2013

Here is a frame:

Have mores; Taking more and giving less.


Here's another:

Have mores say: This country isn't big enough for everyone to have more. Not anymore.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
7. Difference between us and Europe is they don't use half their revenue on wars.
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 10:57 PM
Mar 2013

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The Sequester is the beginning of the demilitarization of the USA. The party is over, time to work on us, not the global corporatist aims. Their fossil fuel monopoly is in its death throes. Those who back it will keep up the propaganda to incite civil war to keep themselves in power. They will lose. It won't be pretty, but it's necessary.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
8. Of Course It's Austerity
Sat Mar 2, 2013, 11:35 PM
Mar 2013

And the impact will be more like $145 billion because annualized that is what it is. What nobody is telling you is that the $85 billion all comes out of the FY 2013 budget that ends September 30th. Plus, much of the budget is exempt from the cuts so what is left will be taking huge cuts, especially with head count, both government employees and employees working under contract.

doc03

(35,328 posts)
13. I am thinking both parties wanted the sequester and all
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 12:09 AM
Mar 2013

the doomsday talk if just theater to give them cover. The Republicans can blame Democrats for cuts in defense and Democrats will blame the Republicans for cuts in social programs. It gives them both cover.

daleo

(21,317 posts)
15. That theory has something to it
Sun Mar 3, 2013, 12:52 AM
Mar 2013

Maybe not the whole truth, but an important point - both parties care deeply about protecting the one percent status quo.

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