the point he makes is true , as far as that goes . Bicycling human gives out more CO2 than when sitting in a car . BUT , the car. when moving , gives out more CO2 than the person sitting in the car .

there was like no trees or grass anywhere near the bike.

That's methane--a different problem entirely.

Damn, I had to roll my windows UP!





Bake

In the interest of air quality, we'd kinda appreciate it if you'd KEEP those windows rolled up when you're cruisin'.

You're talking about my cigarettes, right?



Bake

Unless you're smokin' something obnoxious like tobacco.

than the driver of a car. The car itself? Probably not.

everyone knows that

OK-- somehow send this idea to FOX . Within 2 days it will be on TV all over the US of Stupid !

What you say is true of course, but ONLY in the northern hemisphere.

But when you're right, you're right. I read what you said about clockwise circles, and it just clicked. It felt all scienc-ey in my gut. I'm now considering running as a GOP candidate for something.

(Edited to change counterclockwise to clockwise, like it mattered).

in the southern hemisphere?

Why didn't I think of that?

I am privy to specific recondite minutiae but it is limited to auto transport, certain aspects of the culinary arts and the sleeping habits of southern dwelling canines.

I exploded once because I divided by zero.

in the presence of this particular republican, it catalyzes into Moron

Who knew? I always thought he was a waste of oxygen.

Issue a public statement which is howlingly wrong, then admit you actually have no idea what you're talking about.

Authoritarians say whatever will promote their world view. It does not matter that it doesn't correlate with actual reality. They don't believe in reality.

could stop giving off CO2 by taking a dirt nap.

giving off all that Co2, and all that...

one of these idiots and demand that they back up these fantastic claims with some facts. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen.

By this reasoning, they should be shut down. Pro sports too.

Maybe he can try and pass a fee on the porn industry too. LOL! Oh and sports of all kinds. Buy a football, pay $25.00 fee for your nasty CO2 emissions. Buy a condom, pay a $25.00 fee and $5.00 disposal fee while they're at it.

Biological waste must be disposed of in a responsible manner.

But it's not the intellectual center of Washington State. Rep. Orcutt proves that point.

for the timber industry. he was originally *appointed* to the legislature to fill out someone else's term & immediately rose to power.

iow, he's a plant & a shill.

You have re-elevated my opinion of the average rural Washingtonian. I did note that in all 39 counties, Barack Obama defeated Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primary. I'm especially proud of the state I still feel is "home" for their ratification of marriage equality last fall.

than walking the same distance. It may be the least CO2 producing method of getting around (walking about 90 cal/mile while bike riding about 50 cal/mile).

Further it is about 1 kg CO2 per 2000 cal (this is probably an overestimate). A sedentary individual consumes about 1600 cal/24 hr.

A 25 mpg car generates 0.36 kg/mile from engine and 0.001kg/mile from occupant (40 mph and 25 mpg)
A 185# biker generates 0.025 kg/mile
A 185# walker generates 0.045 kg/mile

So in general cars produce more than 10 times CO2 than a bike for the same distance traveled. By the representatives reasoning you should take the total number of miles traveled by car in the state divide by the total miles traveled by bike in the state and multiply it by $250 and divide it among all the autos in the state.

..And it is unskilled labor!

transport the bike on top of your car? Two? Three?

Does it matter if it is a 10-speed or mountain bike?

that is where the dog goes.





Just kidding, folks.

It was a fun engineering problem though. It would be useful for idiot politicians think before they speak.

At least in theory, we burn on average 2Kcal per day and in the process produce on average about 1Kg of carbon per day.

.. and reclamation.

Per mile is not the better measure. If it takes two hours to walk, half-hour to bike, ten minutes to drive, the person will breathe for two hours regardless and may drive to more than one place increasing the two hour cost-differences even more.

Not to mention the other car pollutants.

Especially when they're running to avoid being hit by bikes and cars.

I swear the GOP must screen for and only accept stupid in their ranks.

Shoulda seen that.

Same way I'm sure he thinks that goatee nonsense on his face is a good look.

Both humans and cars release energy in hydrocarbons and produce water and CO2 from the process. Cars just do it less efficiently per mile. That said, biking and walking could be worse from a carbon standpoint than driving an electric car, depending on how the electricity is produced.

.... you would still have a carbon footprint from an electric car ..... especially if the
electricity was made by burning coal ..... although you would not get the CO2 from the
burning of the gasoline or diesel fuel.

My original point was just how stupid do you have to be that walking or biking produces
more CO2 then an internal combustion engine.

... produced by a car engine vs somebody on a bike .... even @ high level .... the amount
of CO2 produced by the car would be much greater.

check out the world's CO2 levels after the industrial revolution and after the invention of the
modern automobile.

of maine.

he came to washington to work for the timber industry and was *appointed* to the legislature to fill out someone else's term.

he immediately rose to power.

he's the timber industry's plant.

having gone to the U of Maine, I can tell you it doesn't mean he knows what he's talking about.

When asked what we imagined would happen if people colonized the moon, half of my class responded with some version of "we'd evolve so we didn't have noses, since there is no air on the moon". Not that we didn't have our share of truly amazing, great thinkers... but yeah, you can get a degree and still believe breathing causes more pollution than biking.

What a maroon. Clearly another student in the Reagan ("Trees Pollute&quot school of science.

even dumber because they believe the lies the lumber jerks tell them.

sounds like what ronald raygun said about trees, when gov of california , " trees make more smog than cars " silly geese .

He should hold his breath....for an eternity

of selling brains to tea partiers?

You'd go broke spending on advertising fruitlessly trying to convince the morans that they need brains.

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No, you meatheads, CO2 is a necessary compound for life. Life wouldn't exist without it.

It's about BALANCE. Consider the case with water. Not enough and you die of dehydration. Too much and you drown.

And right now we're saturating the planet with CO2, with disastrous consequences.

carbon monoxide with carbon dioxide..........

Do these people not know how to self-edit before they speak? Maybe just run it through their mind first. Just sayin...

What a place to make a stand!

We have an obesity problem and he wants to encourage people to drive.

I mean... maybe he can.


Animals breathing form a closed loop with airborne oxygen and renewable food-derived carbon to make carbon dioxide.


Cars burning fuel form an open loop, turning carbon buried for 400 million years into new carbon dioxide.


In other works, burning oil adds NEW carbon to the atmosphere. Breathing recycles already-existing carbon.



He CAN'T be this unable to think... can he????

"they can't be that stupid" someone opens their mouth and proves me wrong. Hell, this makes Billo's "the tide goes in, the tide goes out- you can't explain it" seem tame.

...if it appeared on my "The Onion" daily calender.

I'm flabbergasted...

stays in business with Repugs going beyond satire.
Amazing!

Even if it were true, the carbon being given off by the cyclist is carbon the cyclist took in from the environment, so there's no net increase of carbon in the atmosphere.

But has a repuke ever been swayed by facts?

It's a stupid theory, but thanks to Tim Eyman, Washington's own Norquist clone, it's impossible to raise taxes for any reason. So they have to invent shit like this.

I expect a $5/rim tax on 23mm bike tires on the theory people with road bikes are using the public highways without paying their fair share...which will cause Michelin to bury the state in 20mm tires.

I have awoken in the dumbest nation on the planet.

He probably makes the cows go "Peee-Yeewwww, dude, take that shit elsewhere!"

That's the only possible explanation. Or, perhaps, that he's an idiot.

One or the other!

So you'd have to be biking really, really hard to produce more carbon than a car. Then again, it's not exactly a different order of magnitude, either.

initially got into the legislature via *appointment*.

the voters & the analysts who keep attributing such remarks to stupidity are the 'stupid' ones.

Really, how could anybody take someone seriously who says stuff like that, whether or not he knows it's wrong?

they want.

and because a lot of people don't vote and don't pay attention.

these threads about legislators' stupidity are stupid. reagan was supposedly 'stupid,' and did that ever stop anyone from voting for him?

to believe what he said, Faux News for example. How sad that someone would sit on their knowledge and lie.

Just a soulectomy.

The souls of prospective Republicans are pretty small anyway.

Cheney keeps the whole collection in a jar.

is making decisions that supposedly represent the interests of citizens in this country.

Seems like he should have a religious/educational show on cable. Maybe Pat Robertson could squeeze him in on The 700 Club.

They are completely fact-free.

teh stupid...it burns.

How do people like him manage to function every day, without tripping over their shoelaces, which they have, no doubt, tied together?

Oh, yeah, the kind of remarks he made are aimed at folks whose I.Q. seems to be in the single-digit range.

Yikes!

I have to say...this is a great sarcastic rebuttal to stupid Repuke talking points.

But I am uncomfortable with it, because it reinforces another Repuke talking point, that environmentalists are anti-humanity, and believe that humans should just kill themselves, as the best environmental solution.

Don't get me wrong...I don't lack a sense of humor, and this ad is a scream.

But, I don't agree that humans need to off ourselves in order to benefit the Earth. We just need to either stop breeding for awhile, or at least quit reproducing at such a high rate.

Great rebuttal to stupid idea that bicyclists cause more carbon pollution than car drivers.

Typical Repuke tendency to open mouth before engaging their brain.

Turns out a lot of nannies don't report to the parents when they drop the kid on their head.

...moron

....we apologize for the occasional crazies that either slip through the cracks or worse: become elected officials! I think this guy was thinking of himself and all the hot air he expels from his body.....

Did you ever wonder why this country is in so much trouble, if you are still wondering look know further, another rwnj.

I'm actually amazed that people like Ed Orcutt have enough mental capacity to walk upright.

it is unusable in our cells. We aren't creating CO2 we are simply returning the air to the atmosphere minus some of the oxygen.

I'm not scientist but that's my understanding of the process. We are not significantly adding to increased co2 levels. I suppose the ratio changes, but....

This is the stupidest thing ever. This asshole politician actually has me thinking about and defending breathing during exercise. Fuck him for wasting my time!

The carbon in the food we eat was originally absorbed from the atmosphere by growing plants. When we exhale we're simply releasing into the atmosphere what was taken out of the atmosphere by those plants, so there's no net increase in atmospheric carbon.

This is as opposed to fossil fuels, which contain carbon that's been buried in the earth for millions or billions of years. That carbon is a problem because it increases the amount of carbon in the atmosphere.

I'm always happy to educate someone. I've been educated by DUers on various issues many times over the years, so I always enjoy being able to give back.