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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAbout Chavez, so far all I have seen on our news and other programs
are white non-Hispanic Americans who are trotted out as experts in this. I want to see a couple of Venezuelan experts interviewed, from both sides. One side loves Chavez, the other side calls him names, mostly the entitled upper classes, but they deserve to be heard too. I want to hear from them, not a bunch of Yanks, who for the most part don't think South Americans have an opinion that is worthwhile about themselves and their nation.
Challenge to America's progressive media, get some Venezuelans on there to discuss their country and their history. Ed Schultz, Rachel Maddow, Thom Hartmann, John Fugelsang, Cenk Uygar, Lawrence O'Donnell, anyone? Could you do this?
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)All highly trained professionals, who strike me as Venezuela's version of the 1% and voicing very conservative viewpoints. Needless to say, they also had very negative views on Chavez that likewise echoed the American RW. Not saying they were right or wrong in their assessments, but they did chose to leave, so that does say something.
Just saying that those who chose to immigrate to this country and who might serve as spokespeople on the occasion of his death, may be a highly and similarly biased population. Not quite like hearing from the local populace...
Cleita
(75,480 posts)gained from the Chavez presidency. Then they can also interview those "refugees" you speak of. I have met a few too. Al Jazeera did a piece on Venezuela a few years back and they interviewed people who had been helped by Chavez's policies. Some middle aged people were benefitting from learning to read. They were illiterate but Chavez programs was giving them that chance at literacy. This is what we need for a balanced view of this man.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)It's not very complimentary:
Lost in the parallel strains of adulation and disgust was an appreciation of the complexity of his rule. In fact, Venezuela under Chávez was a glorious contradiction -- an autocracy with a popular, elected megalomaniac at its center.
To start to appreciate the dynamics of Chávez's power, you have to begin with his speeches: endless, vituperative, folksy, rambling and always, always unscripted, they electrified supporters, infuriated opponents and built over the years into a kind of corpus of law. They became the sources of ultimate power in the country, their authority far outranking -- in practice, if not in theory -- that of laws, regulations, even the constitution. Under Chávez, Venezuela became an Oral Republic, a place where an off-the-cuff remark could land you in jail, end your job, see your property seized, or, alternatively, set an orgy of petrodollar spending loose on your community.
The debate on whether this mode of governance could meaningfully be described as "democratic" has been hashed over again and again ad infinitum, both in Venezuela and abroad. The recitation of arguments on both sides long since went stale: yes, Chávez was beloved -- genuinely beloved -- of millions of poor Venezuelans, and won election after election for a decade and a half. And yes, having won all those elections he proceeded to act like an absolute monarch rather than an elected official, relishing every chance to showcase his contempt for the institutions of constitutional government, and gradually dismantling them in the process.
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/03/chavez-wasnt-just-a-zany-buffoon-he-was-an-oppressive-autocrat/273745/
Contrary to the above view is that of a Colombian law professor, in the Guardian:
Nicaragua is one of Venezuela's allies in Alba, the organisation constituted at Chávez's initiative to counter neoliberalism in the region, alongside Cuba, Ecuador and Bolivia. It has now acquired a life of its own having invited a number of Caribbean countries and Mexico to join, with Vietnam as an observer. It will be a most enduring legacy, a concrete embodiment of Chávez's words and historical vision. The Bolívarian revolution has been crucial to the wider philosophy shared and applied by many Latin American governments. Its aim is to overcome global problems through local and regional interventions by engaging with democracy and the state in order to transform the relation between these and the people, rather than withdrawing from the state or trying to destroy it.
Because of this shared view Brazilians, Uruguayans and Argentinians perceived Chávez as an ally, not an anomaly, and supported the inclusion of Venezuela in their Mercosur alliance. Chávez's Social Missions, providing healthcare and literacy to formerly excluded people while changing their life and political outlook, have proven the extent of such a transformative view. It could be compared to the levelling spirit of a kind of new New Deal combined with a model of social change based on popular and communal organisation.
The facts speak for themselves: the percentage of households in poverty fell from 55% in 1995 to 26.4% in 2009. When Chávez was sworn into office unemployment was 15%, in June 2009 it was 7.8%. Compare that to current unemployment figures in Europe. In that period Chávez won 56% of the vote in 1998, 60% in 2000, survived a coup d'état in 2002, got over 7m votes in 2006 and secured 54.4% of the vote last October. He was a rare thing, almost incomprehensible to those in the US and Europe who continue to see the world through the Manichean prism of the cold war: an avowed Marxist who was also an avowed democrat. To those who think the expression of the masses should have limited or no place in the serious business of politics all the talking and goings on in Chávez's meetings were anathema, proof that he was both fake and a populist. But to the people who tuned in and participated en masse, it was politics and true democracy not only for the sophisticated, the propertied or the lettered.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/mar/05/hugo-chavez-people-venezuelan-president
If you want a view of Chavez that involves the opinions of Venezuelans and other South Americans, you should be looking to newspapers and magazines, not the TV.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)breaking news and bring on the "experts" to bring everyone up to speed. They are failing. Also, I'm not surprised that the Atlantic would have such a journalist between their covers. They aren't exactly progressive and seem to favor conservative leaning writers.
malaise
(269,054 posts)to stay warm in winter thanks to Chavez's subsidies.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I'm going to tune into Al Jazeera later, if I can get it on stream. I hope they do some interviews directly from Venezuela.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)I only remember 2006 when he was warring with little bush.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Raul Villegas, a Chavez supporter from western Caracas, said: "I will not be leaving my house for some time I expect riots to be happening throughout the city. Caracas isn't safe tonight."
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/view-from-caracas-mixed-feelings-in-venezuelas-capital-amid-fears-of-spiralling-violence-8521869.html
Cleita
(75,480 posts)So far things seem fairly calm.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)are broadcasting live from Caracas with a Venezuelan reporter. So far they are reporting that the government is meeting to convene a new government under the guidelines of their Constitution.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Hope and Change
"He's gone!" dozens in a largely anti-Chavez community chanted after word spread swiftly of the death of the 58-year-old leftist. Many said they were rejoicing after nearly a decade and a half of socialist rule, heavily concentrated in Chavez's hands.
"We are not celebrating death," Ana San Jorge, 37, said amid a jubilant crowd in the Miami suburb of Doral. "We are celebrating the opening of a new door, of hope and change."
Read more: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us/article/Chavez-death-Venezuelans-in-US-hopeful-of-change-4330570.php#ixzz2MjJHlRNI