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Omaha Steve

(99,658 posts)
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 10:31 PM Mar 2013

Nebraska Republican State Senator tells Voters: "We just can't afford to save those lives."


By DUer Nancy Meyer


Tuesday, Feb 12, 2013 was Planned Parenthood Lobby Day at the Nebraska state capitol. More than 100 everyday people from all over the state assembled in Lincoln to talk to senators about upcoming legislative bills 528, 452 and 577. One of them, Republican Bill Kintner of District 2, was revealingly candid about his opinion of LB 577 with our group of eight concerned citizens.

LB 577 extends Medicaid coverage to an estimated 54,000 low-income people in Nebraska, including families. The stats show that for every 175 people who gain Medicaid coverage, one death is prevented, so this means approximately 500 Nebraskan deaths would be prevented. The option is fiscally prudent, because 100% of costs will be be covered by the federal government through 2016. The match does not go below 90% in the following years.

I see LB 577 as a pro-life, pro-family, pro-child piece of legislation. But Senator Kintner was adamantly opposed to the bill, saying that it just cost too much. We read him financial data to the contrary, but he just kept insisting it would cost the state "billions". Finally I said, "But studies show that it would save 500 lives in Nebraska." His response was, "Well, we just can't afford to save those lives." We were all stunned into silence. Finally I said, "Really? You won't vote in favor of saving the lives of Nebraskans?" Kintner shook his head. "We just can't afford it."

I replied, "Well, that's not a very pro-life position."

At that point some of the others found their voices and changed the topic. We were asked not to be confrontational, so I held my tongue.

The UNL student newspaper the Daily Nebraskan had a reporter at the end of day debriefing meeting where we all told about our experiences. A young woman named Alana in our group stood up and told everyone about Mr. Kintner's comment. Still, I called the DN and made sure they knew about it, and the editor sounded very interested. However I have been quite disappointed to have been unable to find any coverage of the lobby day in the DN, or any other Nebraska paper.

Senator Kintner had told us he has no children, and it is my opinion that he also has no sense of moral responsibility for his fellow man. Unless you count moral responsibility as exclusively whatever is perceived to affect pocketbooks and his re-election chances. And yet this man holds a "public service" role.

Here in the very religious and conservative red state of Nebraska we have a low population, and for the most part Nebraskans live by modest means relative to the rest of the nation. Term limits in our unicameral keep members of our small state legislature from becoming too entrenched and powerful. Kintner is a freshman senator who rode in on a wave of support from Christian conservatives. Yet I predict that his time in office is going to be a painfully long one for those Christians who follow Jesus' "whatever you do for the least of my brothers" rule (Matthew 25:40).

Mr. Kintner is endorsed by Nebraska Right to Life and he believes abortion should be legal in NO cases.

"We just can't afford to save those lives" indeed.

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Nebraska Republican State Senator tells Voters: "We just can't afford to save those lives." (Original Post) Omaha Steve Mar 2013 OP
another massive idiot Angry Dragon Mar 2013 #1
Republicanism is an illness liberal N proud Mar 2013 #2
It already has another name a2liberal Mar 2013 #19
You nailed it IrishAyes Mar 2013 #48
He's been reading Ayn Rands books like Ryan has. oldbanjo Mar 2013 #44
Sounds like a "made forf Ed or Rachel" news item to me. nt kelliekat44 Mar 2013 #3
There are no Republican state senators in Nebraska wpelb Mar 2013 #4
The Senator is a registered REPUBLICAN Omaha Steve Mar 2013 #10
State senators run on a non-partisan ballot, but each and every one of them has a declared party Nancy Meyer Mar 2013 #23
Nancy doesn't have enough replies to do original posts yet Omaha Steve Mar 2013 #25
Sooooooo happy to welcome you to DU tpsbmam Mar 2013 #51
A big swing and a miss! Rex Mar 2013 #42
If That Idiot Had A Heart Attack Right There I Am Not Sure I Would Want To Intervene TheMastersNemesis Mar 2013 #5
I think the GOPs ultimate goal is for us to live in a world that's equal parts... Initech Mar 2013 #6
Also "A Handmaid's Tale" 'cause I'm sure that waste o' human flesh would be all for that world Nancy Meyer Feb 2015 #54
"We were asked not to be confrontational, so I held my tongue." Lordquinton Mar 2013 #7
This photo of young Bill says it all. Fucking clown: CurtEastPoint Mar 2013 #8
Send a letter to the editor of every paper in your state. Maybe one of them will print it. appleannie1 Mar 2013 #9
K&R freshwest Mar 2013 #11
Must be a member of those disgusting 'Death Panels' on point Mar 2013 #12
more Proof that the GOP is a Hive of Psychopaths. rabid_byter Mar 2013 #13
And the big failure of liberals is our inability to contain these psychopaths. gtar100 Mar 2013 #20
YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!!! ReRe Mar 2013 #24
Sounds like a Republican "death panel" to me.. AsahinaKimi Mar 2013 #14
bingo was going to type that phrase oldhippydude Mar 2013 #18
I am seeing a pattern unfolding a disturbing one Heather MC Mar 2013 #15
Actually the plan is in two stages. airplaneman Mar 2013 #22
Death Panels anyone? SCVDem Mar 2013 #16
Yes, but they do it so far removed that they CAN'T be blamed. Tigress DEM Mar 2013 #31
Save every fetus, but pull the plug on the living poor. Bad, bad man. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #17
"Well, we just can't afford to save those lives" Rain Mcloud Mar 2013 #21
If only someone there had a recording of this lout and his tripe riqster Mar 2013 #26
Lesson learned: Whenever attending an event where GOPers speak, record it! nt kelliekat44 Mar 2013 #27
Sad but true. nt riqster Mar 2013 #28
Thank you, DUer Nancy Lefta Dissenter Mar 2013 #29
Nancy is published in other progressive publications Omaha Steve Mar 2013 #32
"Listen here, Jesus. Those sheep of yours cost Nebraskan people too much money. No can do." nt Tigress DEM Mar 2013 #30
Write a letter to the editor mgardener Mar 2013 #33
Funny how Republicans can always find money for a war or a tax cut Downtown Hound Mar 2013 #34
That about says it all regarding the Republican mind set. santamargarita Mar 2013 #35
So, he's pro life in all circumstances EC Mar 2013 #36
God, these people are totally irony-deaf, aren't they? n/t malthaussen Mar 2013 #37
if one of those 'unsavable lives' were his child...... spanone Mar 2013 #38
What a fu*kin' f*ckwad fuc*tard. Hope the fine indepat Mar 2013 #39
Pass it around for 2014 and 2016! Rex Mar 2013 #40
Elected by Christians who follow Jesus Pakid Mar 2013 #41
Wow, you guys got yourselves a genuine sociopath for a senator! tavalon Mar 2013 #43
I lived in Lincoln from 1994-2000. When we moved I was never so glad to get mnhtnbb Mar 2013 #45
Makes a lot of pro-lifers in NE hypocritical. But having lived there it does not surprise me. jwirr Mar 2013 #46
What a bum IrishAyes Mar 2013 #47
Thank you for all the comments Omaha Steve Mar 2013 #49
"Life begins at conception and ends at birth." KamaAina Mar 2013 #50
double-checked my math and sent this to the OWH. Somebody please tell me if they see it published. Nancy Meyer Mar 2013 #52
My LTE version of this was published in the Lincoln Journal-Star April 13, 2013 Nancy Meyer Apr 2013 #53

liberal N proud

(60,335 posts)
2. Republicanism is an illness
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 10:36 PM
Mar 2013

It needs to be treated as a mental disability because this is sick shit while they will turn around and cut a deal to give the wealthiest another tax loophole.

a2liberal

(1,524 posts)
19. It already has another name
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 11:57 PM
Mar 2013

antisocial personality disorder:
a condition characterized by repetitive behavioral patterns that are contrary to usual moral and ethical standards and cause a person to experience continuous conflict with society. Symptoms include aggression, callousness, impulsiveness, irresponsibility, hostility, a low frustration level, marked emotional immaturity, and poor judgment. A person who has this disorder overlooks the rights of others, is incapable of loyalty to others or to social values, is unable to experience guilt or to learn from past behaviors, is impervious to punishment, and tends to rationalize his or her behavior or to blame it on others. Also called antisocial reaction.

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/antisocial+personality+disorder

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
48. You nailed it
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:50 PM
Mar 2013

I've been calling them sociopaths for years. Never met a more vicious bunch in my life.

Nancy Meyer

(8 posts)
23. State senators run on a non-partisan ballot, but each and every one of them has a declared party
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 01:07 AM
Mar 2013

affiliation that is listed on their bios. Everyone knows who the Republicans are and who the Dems are, etc. anyway. State Republican and Democratic parties are very open about making endorsements in case there is ever any doubt. The non-partisan thing is primarily a matter of how the names are listed on the ballot.

Omaha Steve

(99,658 posts)
25. Nancy doesn't have enough replies to do original posts yet
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:09 AM
Mar 2013

I'm glad she gave the DU this exclusive!

Thanks Nancy!

tpsbmam

(3,927 posts)
51. Sooooooo happy to welcome you to DU
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 11:40 PM
Mar 2013

and read about your awesome activism! Thanks, Steve, for brining Nancy's awesome post here and for introducing her to DU.



 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
5. If That Idiot Had A Heart Attack Right There I Am Not Sure I Would Want To Intervene
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 10:42 PM
Mar 2013

I would just hand him the paddles and let him shock himself. How damned disgusting.

Initech

(100,080 posts)
6. I think the GOPs ultimate goal is for us to live in a world that's equal parts...
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 10:43 PM
Mar 2013

Atlas Shrugged, Minority Report, and Logan's Run. Just a haven where the rich rule, there's a constant police surveillance state, and old people are killed after they turn 35. I think that's what they are going for.

Oh and throw in a bit of "The Scarlet Letter" and "Mad Max" for good measure.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
7. "We were asked not to be confrontational, so I held my tongue."
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 10:44 PM
Mar 2013

So, when you actually ask him a real question that kind of undermines his whole platform, you're being confrontational, but when he says something morally reprehensible like "we can't afford to save those lives" he gets a pass.

 

rabid_byter

(40 posts)
13. more Proof that the GOP is a Hive of Psychopaths.
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 11:29 PM
Mar 2013

really i mean it, the proof is that they never do anything that cause millions of people to suffer this is serious

everyone needs to read the book Political Ponerology: the study of evil as applied to politics. cheap on amazon. and "Snakes in Suits"

the GOP leadership has been taken over by Psychopaths, The NeoCons. you will notice that all the NeoCons were students, if not Disciples of Leo Straus.
http://doggo.tripod.com/doggchrisdomin.html

everybody needs to study up on Psychopaths, psychopaths are a sub species of Humans actually 'Humanoid', an they are Apex Predators. Dr Hare is the authority on them he created the test it identify them. average people can not identify a psychopath until they destroy your life, but psychopaths can identify each other and live in Hives. a 2 year old psychopath can identify other psychopaths.. Bu$h43 is a psychopath.. he destroyed the economy of the entire world, simply to make his fellow psychopaths richer. the back 1/3 of of the book '911 the Ultimate Truth' 2nt revision. has a break down of what who and how they work. these creatures are so weird and strange a lot of people think that they are the Archons, inter dimentional parasites, described in the NaG Hammadi Gnostic Scriptures from 450 AD. once you learn more about them you wont think that idea is too far out anymore.




gtar100

(4,192 posts)
20. And the big failure of liberals is our inability to contain these psychopaths.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 12:16 AM
Mar 2013

We liberals have a seriously good thing going on... freedom, adventurous spirits, inquisitiveness, intellectual and contemplative pursuits, workable and equitable economic ideas, ecologically sound ideas for businesses and living in harmony with our environment, progress, peace, justice, fairness, compassion, a deep respect for truth over our own self-interest, and so on and so on. And yet we are overrun by greedy, selfish, narcissistic, authoritarian assholes almost everywhere we go. We had a big break in the 20th century but we are watching it being torn asunder before our very eyes. And we had only just started.

I have no idea what it would take to rid this world of the right wing ideological bullshit that is killing us. You can't force someone to care, only to behave. And that's sort of the antithesis of the freedom we all cherish. And exactly what these conservative freaks are so willing to do.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
24. YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH!!!!!
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 02:08 AM
Mar 2013

I read up on everything Dr Robert Hare had to say some 16 years ago. I was caught in a situation with someone I was very close to and could not for the life of me figure out what was going on. So I started reading everything on abnormal psychology I could get my hands on at the library. I will definitely pick up the two books you mentioned and read them from cover to cover. A couple other books folks could add to their reading list on this subject is People of the Lie, and The Sociopath Next Door.

Don't know much about those creatures you spoke of at the last of your message, though. And know nothing about brain scans, either.

But I do know that sociopaths and psychopaths are pure evil.

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
15. I am seeing a pattern unfolding a disturbing one
Tue Mar 5, 2013, 11:37 PM
Mar 2013

If the repugs get their way an eliminate abortion within 9 - 12 months they will bring them back because the amount of babies born in the system They will not be able to afford. Texas is realizing this right now. Funny how quickly God gets tossed aside when money is involved.

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
22. Actually the plan is in two stages.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 12:47 AM
Mar 2013

Make abortion illegal.
Cut all funding to help any poor children or families.
It wont matter to them that more are dying from lack of help.
They will just pretend it isn't really happening or they deserve it.
-Airplane

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
31. Yes, but they do it so far removed that they CAN'T be blamed.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 10:03 AM
Mar 2013

Don't consult with a doctor.

Don't consider the patient's will in the situation or the family's knowledge of the patient's wishes.

When the insurance runs out... that's when it's the right thing to do and the right time to do it.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
26. If only someone there had a recording of this lout and his tripe
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:46 AM
Mar 2013

You might ask around and see if there is something. Putting that out on the web so people can hear the smug bastard can blow this up. Kind of like the 47% recording.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
33. Write a letter to the editor
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 01:38 PM
Mar 2013

Write a letter to the editor of the biggest newspaper in your state. Or opinion letter
If there is a newspaper in the district that he represents, write a letter informing those people too.

Call radio stations in your state and let them know about that conversation.

A great title would be, "Will you be among the 500 that Bill Kinter allows to die next year?"

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
34. Funny how Republicans can always find money for a war or a tax cut
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 01:39 PM
Mar 2013

or a bank bailout, but they can never find money to save lives.

EC

(12,287 posts)
36. So, he's pro life in all circumstances
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 02:45 PM
Mar 2013

but if a poor woman decides to have an abortion because she knows SHE CAN NOT AFFORD TO HAVE ANOTHER CHILD he makes her afford it one way or another? He can't do the same for living folk?

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
40. Pass it around for 2014 and 2016!
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:17 PM
Mar 2013

THE GOP IS ANTI-FAMILY! THE GOP IS ANTI-LIFE!

SPREAD IT FAR AND WIDE AND SHOW THIS AS PROOF!

Pakid

(478 posts)
41. Elected by Christians who follow Jesus
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:18 PM
Mar 2013

who would that be? The only one who follow Christ teaching are Christians on the left. Those on the right have no clue about Christ teaching and prove it every day!!!!!

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
43. Wow, you guys got yourselves a genuine sociopath for a senator!
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:39 PM
Mar 2013

And to those who will tell me that sociopath is no longer used as a term, it's used in my lexicon because the ten psychopathy's that replaced it are far less familiar to the average person so I go with the common vernacular.

Ye shall know a sociopath by his works and by his words.

mnhtnbb

(31,392 posts)
45. I lived in Lincoln from 1994-2000. When we moved I was never so glad to get
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:54 PM
Mar 2013

out of a place so filled with self-righteousness but lacking in
humanity.

IrishAyes

(6,151 posts)
47. What a bum
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:47 PM
Mar 2013

So-called Christians of the fundie variety give the rest of us a bad name. I want nothing to do with them. They are haters and dealers in death. Nothing Christian about that.

Nancy Meyer

(8 posts)
52. double-checked my math and sent this to the OWH. Somebody please tell me if they see it published.
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:42 PM
Mar 2013

LB 577 extends Medicaid coverage to 54,000 low-income people in Nebraska. For every 175 people who gain Medicaid coverage, one death is prevented, so more than 300 Nebraskan lives will be saved if this bill passes.

But when eight of us traveled to the capitol seeking his support on Feb 12, Senator Bill Kintner (R-D2) said, “We just can’t afford to save those lives.” “Really?” I said. “You won't vote in favor of saving the lives of 300 Nebraskans?"

Kintner, who is endorsed by Nebraska Right to Life, said NO.

LB 577 is pro-life, pro-family and pro-child legislation that will be 100% paid for by the federal government through 2016, and 90% paid by the federal government after that.

Can someone please explain to Mr. Kintner that “pro-life” means in favor of life?!!

Mr. Kintner, please tell us what else God said when he told you whose life was worth saving and whose wasn't.

Nancy Meyer

(8 posts)
53. My LTE version of this was published in the Lincoln Journal-Star April 13, 2013
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:09 PM
Apr 2013

My goal was to expose Kintner as the Hypochristian he is to the general public in NE, thereby putting pressure on him and others of his ilk in the Unicameral. Hope it works!

http://journalstar.com/news/opinion/mailbag/letter-saving-lives-through-medicaid/article_ecba1e36-d6b0-5d45-bf09-87f1f6ceaa0f.html

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