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If Raising The Minimum Wage Causes The Price Of Goods To Rise... (Original Post) JaneyVee Mar 2013 OP
My experience when managing a business was that it doesn't. Cleita Mar 2013 #1
Exactly JonLP24 Mar 2013 #7
many businesses will raise prices anyways demwing Mar 2013 #18
Not really. You have to be competitive and if others don't like CostCo. It doesn't behoove Cleita Mar 2013 #22
There's another level - politics. demwing Mar 2013 #23
As long as people will pay it, they will raise it. lonestarnot Mar 2013 #32
Because the Waltons have the integrity of a dog's rectum. BlueJazz Mar 2013 #2
Stop insulting dogs rectums! Rectum? Hell, nearly killed 'em! nt Mnemosyne Mar 2013 #36
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #3
Honestly, this is incredibly ignorant IndyPragmatist123 Mar 2013 #4
Nice. Welcome to DU. trof Mar 2013 #6
LMAO.. clueless about Costco are we? SomethingFishy Mar 2013 #8
Woohoo! Thanks for saying what I was going to Duer 157099 Mar 2013 #15
Yow. That left a mark. demwing Mar 2013 #19
good lord, that $15,000 spend at Costco krawhitham Mar 2013 #24
Yeah, I have 3 teenage boys... SomethingFishy Mar 2013 #38
A bit smug, aren't we? IndyPragmatist123 Mar 2013 #28
If you know so much about business models then you also know how Walmart works. progressoid Mar 2013 #29
It's a different business model davidn3600 Mar 2013 #30
Thanks for your CONCERN. Duly noted and filed appropriately. nt. OldDem2012 Mar 2013 #14
Your mushy mouth crap does not even make sense... angstlessk Mar 2013 #16
Wages do not and cannot affect retail prices. mbperrin Mar 2013 #17
Wages and prices are also much more complex NoGOPZone Mar 2013 #20
Yep. laundry_queen Mar 2013 #35
And check this one out for pharmacy prices airplaneman Mar 2013 #5
I asked someone once why they believed Wally World had the lowest prices, their answer - Mnemosyne Mar 2013 #37
if we paid our workers nothing, goods would be free!!!!! ZRT2209 Mar 2013 #9
WWoo-hoo! mbperrin Mar 2013 #13
Figures,...that's the one sitting in the kitchen... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #10
Costco probably had a promotion running at the time taught_me_patience Mar 2013 #11
I just checked both of their websites. The prices are still the same as in the OP. n/t Contrary1 Mar 2013 #12
I actually made this a couple of hours ago on photoshop. Prices are as of today. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #21
I love Costco riverbendviewgal Mar 2013 #25
It's not the price of merchandise. Delmette Mar 2013 #26
Maybe if the head honchos quit giving themselves huge bonuses and pay..... glinda Mar 2013 #27
Since when is $10.10 a living wage? Walmart has a captive market base. Walmart shoppers are lonestarnot Mar 2013 #31
"At Costco, we know that paying employees good wages makes good sense for business" pampango Mar 2013 #33
Of course raising wages will increase prices. But it's not a wash because prices don't go up as much reformist2 Mar 2013 #34

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. My experience when managing a business was that it doesn't.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:59 PM
Mar 2013

What raised prices is a rise in the wholesale price. When retail business gets a raise in price from the wholesaler, the retail price will reflect it and it will be passed on to the consumer. Businesses can remain competitive with each other because they will also raise their prices. However, wages are a fuzzier area, so minimum wage can go up but you won't see it reflected in the price of your latte for the same reason that those companies in competition with each other have to reflect similar prices although one company might pay far better than another. One might be union and another not and so on.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
22. Not really. You have to be competitive and if others don't like CostCo. It doesn't behoove
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:43 PM
Mar 2013

Wal-Mart to raise their prices. People will stop shopping there and go to CostCo.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
23. There's another level - politics.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:51 PM
Mar 2013

you see people raising prices and blaming ANYTHING:



Not that it works so well, but it happens. For economic reasons, or political. It happens. People will raise prices to protest a minimum wage increase, because socialism.

4. Honestly, this is incredibly ignorant
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:32 PM
Mar 2013

This could easily be countered by pointing out membership fees by someone who doesn't want to bring economics into the discussion. If you actually want to use economics, you would realize that wages and prices are much more complex than a screen grab of two businesses with incredibly different business models.

But, I guess people just want to dumb things down. Who cares if you have no clue what you are talking about, as long as you are right.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
8. LMAO.. clueless about Costco are we?
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:55 PM
Mar 2013

Yeah you pay a fee. I pay $100 a year. And for that I get a check at the end of the year for 2% of my total purchases. I usually get a check for around $300. Pays for my membership and I get about $200 in free groceries every year.

But hey don't let that stop you from using "membership fees" to "easily counter".


Costco craps all over Wal-Mart. Prices, Customer Service, Employee Compensation.. Seems that "ignorance" is a common commodity here.

Duer 157099

(17,742 posts)
15. Woohoo! Thanks for saying what I was going to
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:29 PM
Mar 2013

Costco is awesome. WalMart sucks. I have both in my town. I've been in WalMart once in a decade. Costco, once a week.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
19. Yow. That left a mark.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:39 PM
Mar 2013

What did Indy write?

"Who cares if you have no clue what you are talking about, as long as you are right."

Hey...what you said.

28. A bit smug, aren't we?
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 10:01 PM
Mar 2013

I know plenty about their business model. And they make plenty of money off of low usage members that do not get their rebates. Maybe you should look at their contracts with suppliers and you might get a better idea of how the business is run. It's quite interesting. You should learn about it sometime.

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
29. If you know so much about business models then you also know how Walmart works.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:10 AM
Mar 2013

Their business model has given the Walton Family as much wealth as the bottom 40 percent of Americans combined.
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2012/07/17/534591/walmart-heirs-wealth-combined/

Walmart Director, President and Chief Executive Officer, Michael T. Duke's compensation last year was 18,131,738.
http://insiders.morningstar.com/trading/executive-compensation.action?t=WMT


Where as Costco CEO Sinegal, who no doubt has become wealthy through Costco, makes about a third the pay of an average CEO. His salary is $350,000 a year. His total take-home pay amounted to about $3.5 million in 2010, far smaller than the median $9.3 million.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-leadership/post/costco-ceo-jim-sinegal-checks-out/2011/04/01/gIQAh7CqwJ_blog.html

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
30. It's a different business model
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:53 AM
Mar 2013

Costco and other membership-based retailers like BJ's and Sams are going to typically have cheaper prices than your typical retailers because: 1) There is a membership fee. 2) You are buying a lot of items in bulk which comes cheaper from manufacturers/distributors. So that combination keeps the overall prices lower. And yes, if you shop wisely you can easily recoup your membership fee.

Im not arguing that Wal-Mart is better than Costco in any way. Im just pointing out there is a difference in how each does their business.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
17. Wages do not and cannot affect retail prices.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:31 PM
Mar 2013

If cost increases could be recovered through price increases, no business would worry about cost increases.

Fact is, prices are determined in the market by the intersection of supply and demand.

Business can either make a profit with market prices, or not. If not, they should leave the market. They're not good enough nor efficient enough to deserve to be in business with those who are.

AGGREGATE wages do however, increase the size of markets, creating bigger GDP, viewed by economists as a favorable outcome.

See, if HIGHER wages were BAD, bank executives would refuse those huge bonuses that they get as regular as clockwork. And bosses would refuse to take raises. But they don't.

Theory and practice meld perfectly in this case, making an economic resonance that I can hear from here.

(Break into "The Hills Are Alive....&quot

NoGOPZone

(2,971 posts)
20. Wages and prices are also much more complex
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:40 PM
Mar 2013

than worn out talking points like "Raising the minimum wage will raise prices!"

airplaneman

(1,239 posts)
5. And check this one out for pharmacy prices
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:42 PM
Mar 2013

Amlodipin 2.5 mg x 30 tablets

WalMart: $29.95
Costco: $8.82

Some people believe WalMart is a good deal all the time.

-Airplane

Mnemosyne

(21,363 posts)
37. I asked someone once why they believed Wally World had the lowest prices, their answer -
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 04:12 PM
Mar 2013

Because they tell us so in their commercials!

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
13. WWoo-hoo!
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:27 PM
Mar 2013

That is exactly the example I use with my students to prove that low wages do NOT benefit the economy.

Even they, 17 years old, recognize that slave labor would not make things cheaper. It just creates slaves.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
10. Figures,...that's the one sitting in the kitchen...
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:02 PM
Mar 2013

My fiancee LOVES it.

Meanwhile,...I brought this with me:



She uses powdered creamer.

I use whipping cream.

She uses pods.

I grind fresh just before use.

Her's tastes like weak instant.

Mine can strip paint off an engine block.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
11. Costco probably had a promotion running at the time
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:16 PM
Mar 2013

without seeing the dates for the screenshots, this is a useless comparison.

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
25. I love Costco
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:59 PM
Mar 2013

and we have them up here.

Target opened up this week in some places in Canada. Canadians noticed the prices are not as cheap as in the states..

Well, one reason could be there is decent minimum wage here and also all of us have health care.

Delmette

(522 posts)
26. It's not the price of merchandise.
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 09:08 PM
Mar 2013

It's the price (salary, stock options) of the CEO, CFO,COO and what ever else they want to call the greedy people at the top of their organization.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
31. Since when is $10.10 a living wage? Walmart has a captive market base. Walmart shoppers are
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:55 AM
Mar 2013

victims.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
33. "At Costco, we know that paying employees good wages makes good sense for business"
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 07:17 AM
Mar 2013
On Tuesday, Costco CEO and President Craig Jelinek came out in support of the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2013, which aims to raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, then adjust it after that for inflation.

"At Costco, we know that paying employees good wages makes good sense for business," Jelinek said in a statement. "We pay a starting hourly wage of $11.50 in all states where we do business, and we are still able to keep our overhead costs low."

"An important reason for the success of Costco’s business model is the attraction and retention of great employees," Jelinek added. "Instead of minimizing wages, we know it's a lot more profitable in the long term to minimize employee turnover and maximize employee productivity, commitment and loyalty. We support efforts to increase the federal minimum wage."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022470980

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
34. Of course raising wages will increase prices. But it's not a wash because prices don't go up as much
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 08:17 AM
Mar 2013

as the increase in wages. It will tend to lower profit margins, which means lower bonuses for those on the top. I can live with that. But we ought to be mindful of what this does to people in the middle, who don't get the wage increase but still have to pay the slightly higher prices that result from it.
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