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babylonsister

(171,079 posts)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 05:23 PM Mar 2013

"The Roberts court stands on the brink of making an error of historic proportions."

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/a-big-new-power/


March 6, 2013, 9:00 pm
‘A Big New Power’
By LINDA GREENHOUSE
Linda Greenhouse

Linda Greenhouse on the Supreme Court and the law.


Years from now, when the Supreme Court has come to its senses, justices then sitting will look back on the spring of 2013 in bewilderment. On what basis, they will wonder, did five conservative justices, professed believers in judicial restraint, reach out to grab the authority that the framers of the post-Civil War 14th and 15th Amendments had vested in Congress nearly a century and a half earlier “to enforce, by appropriate legislation” the right to equal protection and the right to vote. How on earth did it come to pass that the Supreme Court ruled a major provision of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 unconstitutional?

You will have noticed that I’m making a premature assumption here about the outcome of a case, Shelby County v. Holder, that was argued just last week. Although I’m willing to bet that Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. has already drafted his 5-to-4 majority opinion, I’d be nothing but relieved if the court proves me wrong when it issues the decision sometime before the end of June. But except for a few wishful thinkers, everyone who witnessed the argument, read the transcript, or listened to the audio now expects the court to eviscerate the Voting Rights Act – and seriously harm itself in the process.

As I made clear in my most recent column, I wasn’t expecting anything good to come out of this argument. But neither did I anticipate the ugliness that erupted from the bench. While Justice Antonin Scalia’s depiction of the Voting Rights Act as the “perpetuation of racial entitlement” quickly went viral (40 screens of Google hits, by the time I checked earlier this week), that was not even the half of it.

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The Roberts court stands on the brink of making an error of historic proportions. A needless and reckless aggrandizement of power in one case to satisfy the current majority’s agenda will erode the court’s authority over time.

But there was no sign from the majority last week of an appetite for stepping back this time, as the court did in its last confrontation with Section 5 four years ago. Justice Scalia – he who flaunts his refusal to join any portion of any opinion that cites legislative history – returned repeatedly to his view that manifest Congressional support for the Voting Rights Act was somehow illegitimate, not to be taken at face value. The problem was, he said, that members of Congress “are going to lose votes if they do not re-enact the Voting Rights Act.”

Justice Scalia, that’s called democracy.

Or it was.
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"The Roberts court stands on the brink of making an error of historic proportions." (Original Post) babylonsister Mar 2013 OP
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2013 #1
Error? Hah Doctor_J Mar 2013 #2
The StupeReam Court (R) Berlum Mar 2013 #46
The purpose of the USSC is not to guarantee election victories. That has been the case since 2000. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2013 #3
Since 2000 its purpose IS to guarantee election victories. aquart Mar 2013 #17
I wonder what percentage of voters is aware of Citizens United and this new threat. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2013 #59
it would just be a continuation of terrible decisions noiretextatique Mar 2013 #4
K&R thanks babylonsistah Cha Mar 2013 #5
Whoa! My screen shows we both have post #5. randome Mar 2013 #8
I haven't either, randome.. Exact same second Cha Mar 2013 #9
I hope some on the court will read articles like this one and have second thoughts. randome Mar 2013 #5
The firecrakers (decision above and beyond the will of the people) are lining up. What will light DhhD Mar 2013 #7
Citizens United The Wizard Mar 2013 #10
You know the justices that vote for these things are paid off. Just making hay for their families. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #26
Hey! Times have changed! Who cares about the original intent JDPriestly Mar 2013 #11
Hey! = hay CrispyQ Mar 2013 #32
Change that to "Yet Another Error of Historic Proportions" and I'll Agree Demeter Mar 2013 #12
Yes, "yet another error" HoneychildMooseMoss Mar 2013 #23
You know you are in trouble when Blue Idaho Mar 2013 #13
Legalizing Voter Supression otohara Mar 2013 #14
"Mistake" assumes they'll cause an outcome they don't expect wryter2000 Mar 2013 #15
Actually they don't expect the outcome they will cause. aquart Mar 2013 #18
I think it is certain that this court will go down as one of the Vinnie From Indy Mar 2013 #16
Nothing new here, justices have been grafting/grifting since the beginning. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #27
What's new is the presumption of power to override Congress . . . freedom fighter jh Mar 2013 #63
The one Black member John2 Mar 2013 #65
Scalia will never be able to convince anyone that this is Congress' fault. Never. riderinthestorm Mar 2013 #19
This makes me physically ill just to even think rosesaylavee Mar 2013 #20
These idiots honestly believe people fought and died in the Revolutionary War,... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #21
I think they do...their actions seem to support that... KoKo Mar 2013 #25
That's exactly what they think. Laelth Mar 2013 #62
Historically... Godot51 Mar 2013 #22
Don't you think affirmative action has run it's course? xtraxritical Mar 2013 #28
When did we wake up to discover Liberals running everything? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #37
They are there for those who they SERVE...and nothing's changed...and KoKo Mar 2013 #24
If the ruling stated it is unconstitutional to have certain states under the rule and not all, Thinkingabout Mar 2013 #29
THANKS, b'sis! elleng Mar 2013 #30
I respect Linda Greenhouse hugely, elleng Mar 2013 #31
Roberts wants to eviscerate Section 5. blueclown Mar 2013 #38
Right, really hoping for something good from Kennedy. elleng Mar 2013 #55
The Robert's court already made an error of historic proportions with Citizens United! nt Auntie Bush Mar 2013 #33
Bush v. Gore and Citizens United weren't already historic blunders? Initech Mar 2013 #34
M a f i a + BFEE = Fascism for a New Century or 'Fangu democrazia!' Octafish Mar 2013 #35
The SCOTUS died in December, 2000. WinkyDink Mar 2013 #36
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2013 #47
Yup, exactly. a kennedy Mar 2013 #49
the coup didn't just end datasuspect Mar 2013 #57
Result of such a decision: Supreme Court loses even more credibility emsimon33 Mar 2013 #39
It's the wiggle-room that Roberts thinks he now has because of the ACA ruling davidn3600 Mar 2013 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author russ1943 Mar 2013 #41
Hey, they got the health care issue right. Zax2me Mar 2013 #42
You know what else passed the Senate 98-0, Justice Scalia? Your confirmation. n/t Bolo Boffin Mar 2013 #43
LOL SunSeeker Mar 2013 #45
k&r... spanone Mar 2013 #44
They have already made an errror of historic proportions. Nitram Mar 2013 #48
Mad Tony has been totally out of control ever since... Hubert Flottz Mar 2013 #50
This so called Madmiddle Mar 2013 #51
they are for the constitution mikeysnot Mar 2013 #52
Dred Scott redux Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #53
Roberts actually replaced a Chief Justice who had suppressed black voters in Arizona Kolesar Mar 2013 #54
They already did. caseymoz Mar 2013 #56
The flagrant abuse of power will hopefully lead to limiting their terms. olegramps Mar 2013 #58
will one of the fucking fiendish five please leave LiberalLovinLug Mar 2013 #60
I suspect the Court knew it was going hard right when they slammed up their security blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #61
tyrants of any ilk want power and control. They become all knowing and that is RATS on roberts scotu CarmanK Mar 2013 #64
 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
2. Error? Hah
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 05:36 PM
Mar 2013

Far from it. A deliberate death blow to America (what little there is left of it after Bush v. Gore and CU).

How long till we bring back the guillotines?

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,138 posts)
59. I wonder what percentage of voters is aware of Citizens United and this new threat.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:04 PM
Mar 2013

Bush v Gore is likely such a distant memory for most, I expect that they think it was a liberal court back then.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
5. I hope some on the court will read articles like this one and have second thoughts.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 05:49 PM
Mar 2013

I doubt it's possible for Scalia but maybe Roberts himself can see the light.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
7. The firecrakers (decision above and beyond the will of the people) are lining up. What will light
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 05:57 PM
Mar 2013

the fuse?

The Right to Vote is America. The Will of God is God.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
11. Hey! Times have changed! Who cares about the original intent
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 06:39 PM
Mar 2013

of the law or of the 14th and 15th Amendments?

Sarcasm.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
12. Change that to "Yet Another Error of Historic Proportions" and I'll Agree
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 06:48 PM
Mar 2013

Seems like there's always room for one more....

23. Yes, "yet another error"
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:02 PM
Mar 2013

The next one will be just the latest in a series of "errors" of historic proportions

Blue Idaho

(5,057 posts)
13. You know you are in trouble when
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 06:51 PM
Mar 2013

Justice Scalia uses his OWN PREVIOUS WRITINGS without attribution as justification for his position.

"perpetuation of racial entitlement" - those words were first penned by Scalia himself.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
14. Legalizing Voter Supression
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 07:03 PM
Mar 2013

Lawyer up and poof...a right is now an entitlement.

Worst SCOTUS in modern history.



wryter2000

(46,077 posts)
15. "Mistake" assumes they'll cause an outcome they don't expect
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 07:10 PM
Mar 2013

They know exactly what they're doing. It's no mistake.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
18. Actually they don't expect the outcome they will cause.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 07:39 PM
Mar 2013

Short-sightedness is the first membership requirement of the right wing.

Vinnie From Indy

(10,820 posts)
16. I think it is certain that this court will go down as one of the
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 07:21 PM
Mar 2013

most corrupt of the modern era. Scalia has already cemented his place as one of the most corrupt, ugly and dishonest jurists of any era.

freedom fighter jh

(1,782 posts)
63. What's new is the presumption of power to override Congress . . .
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:07 AM
Mar 2013

. . . even when Congress has not violated the Constitution.

The Constitution does not give the Supreme Court authority to override Congress, but the Court has assumed that authority in cases of laws that violate the Constitution. The Supreme Court's authority to declare laws unconstitutional -- and therefore null and void -- has stood for a couple of centuries. I suppose that's because (1) there is no one in a position to question it, and (2) it has served as a check on Congress's temptation to make laws that violate the Constitution.

But what some of the justices seem to be hinting at here would take judicial oversight to a whole new level. They seem to be saying they may overturn the Voting Rights Act *because Congress passed it for the wrong reasons.* This would be the first time (afaik) that the Supreme Court would invalidate a law on any basis other than that law's violating the Constitution.

That would set the precedent, a precedent that no one is in a position to turn back, that the Supreme Court has the authority to invalidate laws that, well, they don't like.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
65. The one Black member
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 09:37 PM
Mar 2013

on the Court is a travesty to every African American and our ancestors that fought for the Right to vote in this country. I say this as one Black male to another. I find his logic for voting against section five convoluted. Does he make the claim that Congress had the right to implement Section five because it was needed at one point in time but since there has been little evidence of discrimination in a certain area now, that it is now UnConstituitional? Since when can you decide something is Constitutional at one time and then not Constitutional at some later Date? If you are going to use such logic, then every Amendment or law in the Constitution would be subject to being overturned at some future date. The Second Amendment to bear arms could be overturned for example because the same conditions no longer apply. And after looking at Thomases entire Judicial record, it gives the appearance of an assault on minority rights of any group in this country that are protected in law. I can see why some refer to him as an Uncle Tom. And I have come to that opinion without even considering his personal private problems with Anita Hill. I'm not some uppity Black either. So he can't go there. The very reason he is on the Court was to replace a minority. He could have refused the appointment because it was Affirmative Action that placed him there.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
19. Scalia will never be able to convince anyone that this is Congress' fault. Never.
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 07:54 PM
Mar 2013

This will be laid squarely at the feet of the Roberts Court.

Thanks for posting this. HUGE K&R!

rosesaylavee

(12,126 posts)
20. This makes me physically ill just to even think
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 08:28 PM
Mar 2013

this could happen. Surely there are 5 justices at least who are not on the side of this horribly racist 'error'.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
21. These idiots honestly believe people fought and died in the Revolutionary War,...
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 08:37 PM
Mar 2013

...to free the rich from having to answer to a king, thus making them kings of their own castles.

Rule by white male landowners.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
25. I think they do...their actions seem to support that...
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:38 PM
Mar 2013

"You will know them by their Deeds and Not their Words." In this case their "Words and Deeds" seem to be very much in sync.

Godot51

(239 posts)
22. Historically...
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 08:56 PM
Mar 2013

no matter which arbitrary date you put on it to start with, 1492, 1776, whatever, we've been living with many, many years of "White Affirmative Action" in the States. Basically what Scalia is arguing is a reaffirmation of those rights, as if they're needed.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
24. They are there for those who they SERVE...and nothing's changed...and
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:34 PM
Mar 2013

they will "do what they have to do" to fulfill their mandate.

Remember "History" doesn't matter to them in their Idealist/Money Grabbing Mode. It's about...how they "Served those who "Brung Them There."

I don't expect anything out of this COURT that could be called something that would be anything than what they are about.

sad saying...but it's what it is.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
29. If the ruling stated it is unconstitutional to have certain states under the rule and not all,
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:48 PM
Mar 2013

I could go along with this if they ruled it must include all states since the right to vote in every state should be protected. It would curtail those trying to limit areas where "minorities" vote. If as much effort was placed on getting more to vote as preventing access to voting this would be a good thing.

elleng

(131,077 posts)
31. I respect Linda Greenhouse hugely,
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:26 PM
Mar 2013

and I hope her suggestion that SCOTUS will make the wrong decision is wrong.

'Without having asked a single question of Shelby County’s lawyer, Bert W. Rein, he taunted Solicitor General Donald B. Verrilli with statistics purporting to show that Mississippi has the better record of African-American voter registration and turnout.

It was a “gotcha” performance beneath the dignity of a chief justice, and it turned out to be based on a – to put it charitably – misunderstanding of the data. The next day, the Massachusetts secretary of state, William F. Galvin, complained publicly that Chief Justice Roberts had used “phony statistics” in a “deceptive” and “truly disturbing” manner. (Mississippi, by the way, signed a brief urging the court to uphold Section 5.) . .

what the court’s conservatives seem to see in Section 5 is a threat to state sovereignty — the “sovereign dignity” of the states, a phrase Justice Anthony M. Kennedy has used in another federalism context. This theme ran throughout the argument. Justice Scalia referred to Section 5 as imposing “these extraordinary procedures that deny the states sovereign powers which the Constitution preserves to them.” Justice Kennedy asked whether “if Alabama wants to acknowledge the wrongs of its past, is it better off doing that if it’s an independent sovereign or if it’s under the trusteeship of the United States government?”

These are astounding comments, bespeaking willful ignorance of the origin (as in “originalism”) of the 14th and 15th Amendments, which transformed the constitutional relationship between the federal government and the states. Their very point was to invoke federal power to make sure the states delivered on the amendments’ promises: due process, equal protection, the right to vote for all.'


I hope a majority recognizes the above-quoted facts, and at least Roberts does an ACA and surprises Court-watchers. I suspect Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagen will give the others hell if they attempt to ignore and forget these facts. AND I suspect they read Greenhouse, tho she doesn't have to tell them the history.

blueclown

(1,869 posts)
38. Roberts wants to eviscerate Section 5.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:01 AM
Mar 2013

There is very little chance that he will be voting in favor of keeping the pre-clearance and formula provisions of the Voting Rights Act (Section 4). Look back to his years in the Reagan administration. However, I still hold out hope that Justice Kennedy will not vote to strike down Section 5. He did seem very perturbed about the formula during oral arguments, referring to it multiple times as "reverse engineering". However, when he asked the petitioner's lawyer, Bert Rein, about "if they are covered under any formula that could be devised, why are they injured under this one?", Mr Rein didn't seem to have a good answer to his question.

But you never know. This case will hinge on Kennedy's decision. And I don't think we know definitively what he will do.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
35. M a f i a + BFEE = Fascism for a New Century or 'Fangu democrazia!'
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:37 PM
Mar 2013


"To my critics, I say, 'Vaffanculo.'"
- Anthony "The Big Fixer" Scalia

Where he's coming from:

Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist
 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
40. It's the wiggle-room that Roberts thinks he now has because of the ACA ruling
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 01:17 AM
Mar 2013

He allowed the Affordable Care Act to be upheld. Now he thinks he can make some big right-wing rulings and not be seen as radical.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Nitram

(22,861 posts)
48. They have already made an errror of historic proportions.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:10 AM
Mar 2013

The Citizens United ruling. But, hey, why not go for another?

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
50. Mad Tony has been totally out of control ever since...
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:13 AM
Mar 2013

He got away with Bush Vs Gore.

The filthy five know that they can do as they please, without any hindrance or oversight from anyone.

Tony hasn't believed in your vote counting for a very long time.

 

Madmiddle

(459 posts)
51. This so called
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:22 AM
Mar 2013

"Supreme" court will trigger something far worse than their simple imaginations can go. They do realize the dominoe effect it will bring will ultimately come back to them in the end.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,033 posts)
53. Dred Scott redux
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:57 AM
Mar 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857), also known as the Dred Scott Decision, was a landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court. It held that the federal government had no power to regulate slavery in the territories, and that people of African descent (both slave and free) were not protected by the Constitution and were not U.S. citizens.[2]

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
54. Roberts actually replaced a Chief Justice who had suppressed black voters in Arizona
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 12:01 PM
Mar 2013

Deceased Chief Justice Rehnquist used to harass black and Mexican-American voters at the polls in Arizona. That was his "Republican activism" of his youth.

His harassment actually came up during his confirmation hearings when he was appointed by Nixon.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
56. They already did.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 02:00 PM
Mar 2013

With with Citizen's United and with partially blocking the ACA.

This court really wants to go down as the most reviled in history.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
60. will one of the fucking fiendish five please leave
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 04:26 PM
Mar 2013

I guess I can't say what I mean by "leave" or I'd get reported.

But why is it only the moderate judges seem to be retiring, only to be replaced by moderates. I thought ESPECIALLY because Obama is now a two term President we'd see a shift in the balance. Wasn't that the main reason given to vote for him in the last two elections? Sure it would have been stacked even more to the right with Gramps or Mittens in charge, but for the love of FDR this is disappointing. And I don't see it changing any time soon. I predict Scalia and Thomas shuffling in with their hospital drips plugged in for years to come.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
61. I suspect the Court knew it was going hard right when they slammed up their security
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:44 PM
Mar 2013

apparatus recently. It's like a fortress, and a heavily armed one. I predict the SCOTUS to go viral, from Dick Cheney's underground bunker, by 2014.

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