Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 05:54 PM Mar 2013

Hello there, DUers! Another head-banging Friday Afternoon Challenge awaits with “Hommage”!

Artists study the great masters who have gone before them. Here are 4 paired instances of the “hommage” one artist pays to another, whether in style, pose, composition or genre. The reinvented image is first, the second is its inspiration.

...just be good and do not cheat...

1. a.
[IMG][/IMG]
1b.
[IMG][/IMG]

2.a.
[IMG][/IMG]
2b.
[IMG][/IMG]

3.a.
[IMG][/IMG]
3b.
[IMG][/IMG]

4a.
[IMG][/IMG]
4b.
[IMG][/IMG]

70 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Hello there, DUers! Another head-banging Friday Afternoon Challenge awaits with “Hommage”! (Original Post) CTyankee Mar 2013 OP
I look forward to this every week and am clueless. Oh well, I enjoy it..Thanks CT Yankee ..n/t monmouth3 Mar 2013 #1
I'm glad you like it! Art history can be lots of fun...I just love doing this stuff... CTyankee Mar 2013 #2
Same here malaise Mar 2013 #27
I'm so glad you like this. It is such a pleasure to hear from folks that they like this stuff... CTyankee Mar 2013 #46
I'm here to learn malaise Mar 2013 #50
Thanks. I keep learning all the time...it's a real journey... CTyankee Mar 2013 #52
Make that three of us Aerows Mar 2013 #44
I don't see any similarity between 1a and 1b Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #3
Oh, sure there is. Artists study everything about other artists. And that includes CTyankee Mar 2013 #4
Ooo! I know #1 longship Mar 2013 #5
Yep. Isn't it wonderful how an college course involving art can linger so long in your CTyankee Mar 2013 #6
I have no idea, but it it's a lot earlier than Seurat. longship Mar 2013 #7
yes, the predecessor is a famous Renaissance artist. Seurat studied copies of his work CTyankee Mar 2013 #8
Piero della Francesca reteachinwi Mar 2013 #9
are you familiar with this work? Just wondering, since this is just a detail from it... CTyankee Mar 2013 #10
No, I recognized the Seurat reteachinwi Mar 2013 #15
Hey, my Master's degree is in Liberal Studies! CTyankee Mar 2013 #25
Madison is marvelous reteachinwi Mar 2013 #62
so happy to hear from outposts of liberalism abroad in the land! CTyankee Mar 2013 #64
I could tell it was the artist who does the itsy bitsy dot painting, Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #31
2a and 2b horseshoecrab Mar 2013 #11
amazed it took this long to get the Turner...he is so familiar to folks... CTyankee Mar 2013 #14
I found 4b right off the bat, but still stumped on 4a pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #12
It is a different event. Look more to style... CTyankee Mar 2013 #13
Reading about 4b, I've just learned that painters were often paid... countryjake Mar 2013 #16
Try including "Banquet" in your search... countryjake Mar 2013 #17
4a and 4b are by Tiepolo and Veronese, respectively pinboy3niner Mar 2013 #18
wonderful research, Pinboy! Congratulations! CTyankee Mar 2013 #20
3b by Chardin countryjake Mar 2013 #19
Tell me how you came to this... CTyankee Mar 2013 #21
I haven't been able to find 3a. countryjake Mar 2013 #28
that is because it isn't an "exact" copy of a Chardin work. It is more of a genre CTyankee Mar 2013 #32
Just love your posts! burrowowl Mar 2013 #22
Hey, thanks! Take a guess on 3a! CTyankee Mar 2013 #23
van Gogh, Cezanne, Pisarro marions ghost Mar 2013 #24
hmm, then you'd be wrong... CTyankee Mar 2013 #26
sorry marions ghost Mar 2013 #29
yup...guess away... CTyankee Mar 2013 #30
18th century Dutch marions ghost Mar 2013 #33
no, there isn't a Dutch painting here...wrong century, actually... CTyankee Mar 2013 #34
Well I thought 19th century marions ghost Mar 2013 #38
I know absolutely NOTHING about art Ratty Mar 2013 #35
Oh, thanks! Aren't they all beautiful? CTyankee Mar 2013 #36
My guess for 3a is Cezanne. DanTex Mar 2013 #37
what makes you think it is a Cezanne? CTyankee Mar 2013 #39
Because it looks "Cezanne-y"? DanTex Mar 2013 #40
well, well, you are correct...and the work is...??? CTyankee Mar 2013 #41
Cool! The work I can't tell you. DanTex Mar 2013 #42
I already guessed Cezanne marions ghost Mar 2013 #43
Yes, you did! Sorry if I didn't credit you...my bad...urk... CTyankee Mar 2013 #45
OMG--here it is!!!! marions ghost Mar 2013 #48
"Paint your stovepipe." How did you get there? CTyankee Mar 2013 #49
I googled marions ghost Mar 2013 #53
I know it wasn't easy... CTyankee Mar 2013 #55
that flame is the heartbeat of the painting but I couldn't include it because it would CTyankee Mar 2013 #58
Yes and the stark contrast of the canvas marions ghost Mar 2013 #68
Wow, that's really neat Aerows Mar 2013 #47
I have to credit Erika Langmuir of the National Gallery in London for her remarkable CTyankee Mar 2013 #51
I like Cezanne's use of color in those Aerows Mar 2013 #54
The "black" in "Stove in the Studio" is quite interesting...an amalgam of color and a CTyankee Mar 2013 #56
It's really fascinating Aerows Mar 2013 #57
that is a good point! I never thought of it that way... CTyankee Mar 2013 #59
Probably a goofy way of putting it Aerows Mar 2013 #61
I know what you mean. the big paintings make you lose your focus because so much CTyankee Mar 2013 #65
I'm still getting kicks looking at Chardin's works, haven't even started Cezanne yet. countryjake Mar 2013 #69
maybe he sketched them first and then finished them in the painting? It does seem strange... CTyankee Mar 2013 #70
I Got Nuthin... WillyT Mar 2013 #60
Hey, WillT! So nice to see you! CTyankee Mar 2013 #63
I Had A Great Humanities Professor, And Thought I Knew A Thing Or Two About Art, But... WillyT Mar 2013 #66
awww...you are sweet...but CTyankee Mar 2013 #67

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
46. I'm so glad you like this. It is such a pleasure to hear from folks that they like this stuff...
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:41 PM
Mar 2013

art is such a savior for all of us...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
44. Make that three of us
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:37 PM
Mar 2013

I'm totally clueless too, but I try it every week, and I always learn something new

Kingofalldems

(38,487 posts)
3. I don't see any similarity between 1a and 1b
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:19 PM
Mar 2013

other than there is a person sitting. Am I missing something?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
4. Oh, sure there is. Artists study everything about other artists. And that includes
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:24 PM
Mar 2013

particular poses. In this case, the later artist benefited from an artist who lived and worked 500 years before he did...(that's a hint, too!). This is maybe not a well-known example, but I am depending on the historical evidence...

longship

(40,416 posts)
5. Ooo! I know #1
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:25 PM
Mar 2013

Georges Seurat -- Bathers at Asnieres!


I recognized the pointillism and that it was Seurat. I actually remembered something from my 1967 Humanities class at Michigan State University.

Yay!!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
6. Yep. Isn't it wonderful how an college course involving art can linger so long in your
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:28 PM
Mar 2013

memory? And how much it is treasured?

Now, where did the inspiration of 1b come from?

longship

(40,416 posts)
7. I have no idea, but it it's a lot earlier than Seurat.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:36 PM
Mar 2013

It seems renaissance era. I wouldn't hazard a guess. As I've said, I am out of my element.

And yes, you are right. I loved the MSU humanities classes. I just have not retained much of it. But I like impressionist and post-impressionist art so I remember Seurat. His style is distinctive.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
8. yes, the predecessor is a famous Renaissance artist. Seurat studied copies of his work
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:38 PM
Mar 2013

that were displayed in Paris and they influenced him greatly...

 

reteachinwi

(579 posts)
9. Piero della Francesca
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 06:48 PM
Mar 2013

Resurrection, c. 1460. He looks like he needs resurrecting, not like he's been resurrected.

 

reteachinwi

(579 posts)
15. No, I recognized the Seurat
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:33 PM
Mar 2013

and Wikipedia had a synopsis of the influences, including the Resurrection. I too had a course in Madison in the College of Integrated Liberal Studies. We surveyed literature, painting, sculpture, architecture from pre-Renaissance to Modernism in the context of the historical period in which it was created. It was wonderful, I would cheat on my math studies to check out the music that was composed at the time we were studying as it wasn't included in the class. So I have an overview, lacking in detail and breadth, and enjoy your posts as an opportunity to fill out what I don't know.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
25. Hey, my Master's degree is in Liberal Studies!
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 08:38 PM
Mar 2013

I feel a real affinity for Madison. Husband has family there. I think of it as having a real kinship with New Haven where we live!

Evidently, Seurat saw copies of this fresco by Piero in Paris and was influenced by it, more than just by that pose. The upturned hats of two of the figures copy Piero's subject also...

If I hadn't read about this I would never have guessed that Seurat was influenced by Piero...

 

reteachinwi

(579 posts)
62. Madison is marvelous
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:09 PM
Mar 2013

When we went to the protests in 2011 at least a few of my colleagues and I were reluctant to leave. The Wikipedia synopsis mentioned the reflections of the upturned hat, the wrinkles in the pants echoing the wrinkles in the robe, the bent over the knees posture. The composition is credited to Nicolas Poussin's The Finding of Moses-"This is how a scene from everyday life suddenly becomes raised to the dignity of a history painting"- Charles Blanc, one of Seurat's teachers at the Ecole de Beaux Arts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathers_at_Asnières

The complete Ressurection


Thanks for all the fun CTyankee

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
64. so happy to hear from outposts of liberalism abroad in the land!
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:12 PM
Mar 2013

when I despair I think about places like Madison and my heart is glad...we are fellow travelers in our mission to save this country!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
31. I could tell it was the artist who does the itsy bitsy dot painting,
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 08:51 PM
Mar 2013

but I couldn't remember his name. Drat.

horseshoecrab

(944 posts)
11. 2a and 2b
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:07 PM
Mar 2013

2 a. Dido Building Carthage by J.M.W. Turner in 1815

inspired by

2 b. Seaport with the Embarkation of the Queen of Sheba by Claude (Claude Gellee) painted in 1648.

Hi CTYankee -- Nice challenge! Found this by searching for romanticism on google. Led to Turner, which very quickly led to Claude. Turner requested in his will that Dido Building Carthage be hung beside Claude's Embarkation of Queen of Sheba.

Hope that everyone in the snow's path is ok!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
14. amazed it took this long to get the Turner...he is so familiar to folks...
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:27 PM
Mar 2013

I must credit Erika Langmuir in her fabulous book, "Companion Guide to the National Gallery", which I am reading for my upcoming trip to London in May...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
12. I found 4b right off the bat, but still stumped on 4a
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:08 PM
Mar 2013

It seems to be a completely different event placed in a similar setting. I'll get back to searching after the break I've given myself...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
16. Reading about 4b, I've just learned that painters were often paid...
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 07:46 PM
Mar 2013

by the figure, heh.

Does your question in how it relates to 4a have to do with colors? I can't find that one either.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
18. 4a and 4b are by Tiepolo and Veronese, respectively
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 08:05 PM
Mar 2013

4b: Veronese - The Wedding at Cana (or The Marriage at Cana)
4a: Giovanni Battista Tiepolo - The Banquet of Cleopatra

In some celebrated frescoes at the Palazzo Labia, (Tiepolo) depicted two scenes from the life of Cleopatra: Meeting of Anthony and Cleopatra[1] and Banquet of Cleopatra,[2] as well as, in a central ceiling fresco, the Triumph of Bellerophon over Time. Here he collaborated with Girolamo Mengozzi Colonna. This connection with Colonna, who also designed sets for opera, highlights the increasing tendency towards composition as a staged fiction in Tiepolo's frescoes. The architecture of the Banquet fresco also recalls that of Veronese's Wedding at Cannae. ....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Battista_Tiepolo


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
20. wonderful research, Pinboy! Congratulations!
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 08:19 PM
Mar 2013

Poor Tiepolo, he got no respect for such a long time!

I love the similarities of the two paintings: the dog(s), the birds in the sky, the balcony with onlookers, the Greek fluted columns, the banquet theme...what an era that must have been in the Veneto...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
19. 3b by Chardin
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 08:09 PM
Mar 2013

Known for his textures and choosing to paint the common simple things, unlike many of his contemporaries.

Still Life with Copper Kettle, Bowl with Eggs (1724–25), by Chardin. Destroyed by fire in the Friedrichshain Flakturm, following the capture of Berlin, May 1945.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
28. I haven't been able to find 3a.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 08:45 PM
Mar 2013

I started reading the Wikipedia on Still-life to begin, then searched on various likely artists from that page, but adding "bucket with eggs" to the googling.

I haven't gotten past reading about Jean-Baptiste Chardin and looking at his works since I found him, so still have no idea who did the first one, but I can see why someone would use his work as inspiration. Amazing portrayals of ordinary people!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
32. that is because it isn't an "exact" copy of a Chardin work. It is more of a genre
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 08:54 PM
Mar 2013

similarity. The artist of 3a studied Chardin's household kitchen works but didn't exactly "copy" them.

Maybe it is because 3a is not on display in a museum in the United States...I had no familiarity with it until I saw the piece to which this refers...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
34. no, there isn't a Dutch painting here...wrong century, actually...
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:00 PM
Mar 2013

I know what you mean. The Dutch painting of its Golden Age is awash in Still Lifes. It is incredible!

This is a few centuries later...try the 19th century...

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
38. Well I thought 19th century
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:11 PM
Mar 2013

with the post-Impressionists...

OK so 19th century then, which is one century later than 18th not few?

All right I'll take one more guess if it's pinpointed to 19th century.

Ratty

(2,100 posts)
35. I know absolutely NOTHING about art
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:01 PM
Mar 2013

So I didn't try to play. But I liked seeing the pretty pictures that looked like other pretty pictures. Thank you.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
36. Oh, thanks! Aren't they all beautiful?
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:08 PM
Mar 2013

I love it when people like the art I try to present. It makes me feel so good. Like I have made someone's day somehow, in some way, better...

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
37. My guess for 3a is Cezanne.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:10 PM
Mar 2013

Also, I would have guessed Seurat for 1a.

No clue about the rest.

Nice puzzle!

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
40. Because it looks "Cezanne-y"?
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:27 PM
Mar 2013

Can't say exactly. Just a guess based on recollections of art history class.




DanTex

(20,709 posts)
42. Cool! The work I can't tell you.
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:32 PM
Mar 2013

I'm pretty sure it's not "still life with bowl/pot/kettle/vase" because I googled those and it didn't come up...

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
53. I googled
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:57 PM
Mar 2013

Cezanne painting of his studio--I figured it was early & that's right--1865



Whew! not easy, not so typical of Cezanne

I really like the little touch of flame in the stove and the minimal brushstrokes

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
55. I know it wasn't easy...
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:00 PM
Mar 2013

my bad

When the aging Cezanne was asked by a young aspiring artist when they should be painting, he said "paint your stovepipe."

I just love that quote...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
58. that flame is the heartbeat of the painting but I couldn't include it because it would
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:05 PM
Mar 2013

also give away the signature...sigh...I hate the trade-off but I am so glad you caught that heartbeat of the flame...so true...

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
68. Yes and the stark contrast of the canvas
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 11:09 PM
Mar 2013

---with the stovepipe is really effective & I wonder what's in the pot, water or soup?

Thanks CTyankee

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
47. Wow, that's really neat
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:48 PM
Mar 2013

when you put all three together. It's really easy to see the style when you do that.

I'm not very good at these challenges, but I love the art, and I find it fascinating to see how you can associate artists with their work by looking at a bunch of them together. I doubt I'll forget Cezanne's still life style now.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
51. I have to credit Erika Langmuir of the National Gallery in London for her remarkable
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:53 PM
Mar 2013

book "Companion Guide to the National Gallery" for several of these. She was their Director of Education for many years and what a knowledge she had!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
54. I like Cezanne's use of color in those
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:58 PM
Mar 2013

still-life paintings. I guess I always assumed they were boring, but that makes me take a different look at them. Those three posted up thread are quite beautiful in their own way .

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
56. The "black" in "Stove in the Studio" is quite interesting...an amalgam of color and a
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:02 PM
Mar 2013

wonderful nuance of black in the painting...it is absolutely wonderful...

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
57. It's really fascinating
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:04 PM
Mar 2013

to see how all the colors come together to form a depth and texture. Maybe it is easier for me to see on something more simple than in the highly complex paintings with a lot of people and action in them.



I found that to be particularly intriguing.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
61. Probably a goofy way of putting it
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:09 PM
Mar 2013

but seriously, especially in the one I just pointed out, you can really see the texture and depth - or at least I can. I get kind of lost in the forest and can't see the trees, so to speak, on some of the more busy paintings.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
65. I know what you mean. the big paintings make you lose your focus because so much
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:15 PM
Mar 2013

is going on. The smaller ones concentrate your mind and your senses so you can see and feel what the artist is trying to convey.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
69. I'm still getting kicks looking at Chardin's works, haven't even started Cezanne yet.
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 08:36 AM
Mar 2013



Some of this guy's stuff makes me want to reach in and pick up a lid to peek inside.


Butler's Table ~ Jean-Baptiste-Siméon Chardin ~ 1756

I really like one he did with a washwoman at the tub...there's a little kid at her feet, blowing bubbles. Some of his paintings like that remind me of the book illustrations from way back when.

Also, I can't help but wonder, with all of the dead animals in so many of his paintings, did he set these things up as models to paint, how long did it take him to finish, and what was the condition of those carcasses by the time he was done? Did he pluck 'em and cook 'em up, after they bled out? The guy lived to a ripe old age for his time, too.


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
70. maybe he sketched them first and then finished them in the painting? It does seem strange...
Sat Mar 9, 2013, 08:18 PM
Mar 2013

that he could sit there with a dead animal in front of him day after day painting it...My guess is that is what he did, because a dead animal is not going to smell so good (or be safe to eat) after a little while...

I cannot tell you how overwhelming the sheer number of "still life" art was in the Hals museum in Haarlem when I was there! It was overwhelming...a huge room full of it...dead game, cheeses, meats, vegetables and on and on...these people must have eaten pretty well! The Dutch really did a number on this one!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
63. Hey, WillT! So nice to see you!
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:10 PM
Mar 2013

I love having you stop by and see this thing I do on Fridays...

Ain't we got fun?

 

WillyT

(72,631 posts)
66. I Had A Great Humanities Professor, And Thought I Knew A Thing Or Two About Art, But...
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:15 PM
Mar 2013

I got nothin...

Yet I always wait for the answers, and the... enlightentment...




CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
67. awww...you are sweet...but
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 10:18 PM
Mar 2013

ya see, I am retired and have LOTS of time on my hands to do research, which I do a LOT of. This is the result.

I enjoy doing this immensely...I'm glad other feel this way...

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Hello there, DUers! Anoth...