with four hour sunshine it matters. Just my two cents.

I love this time change, I get off work at 3pm everyday and can easily get to the course and play 18 when it doesn't get dark until 8pm.

...still applies today.

...from a time you'd be asleep to a time you'd be awake.

waiting for the bus, or in the daylight.

Farmers trying to get their product to morning markets have one less hour of daylight to do it (not a big deal anymore, except for farmers' markets).

The "farmer" excuse was always BS; DST is about having more daylight hours in the evening for people to spend money enjoying.

Corporate America strikes again.

loved having the extra Daylight in the Evenings.

It is still light when he comes home so he can spend time in the yard gardening. Then we will fire up the grill and have supper out on the porch. After that we have a cocktail and watch the sun set on the dock. I treasure that time.
When it is dark after work it is pretty much plop in front of the tv after dinner. It makes a huge difference in our lives.

again at 6 when I get up...I really don't care that it stays light later in the evening. I am a morning person....

Start up the big heavy industrial equipment while it's light out you can then take advantage of solar power. If it's still dark out you can't and you spike the grid and start up a natural gas fired power plant some other place in the system.

from Wiki

The modern idea of daylight saving was first proposed in 1895 by George Vernon Hudson [9] and it was first implemented during the First World War.

"Although not punctual in the modern sense, ancient civilizations adjusted daily schedules to the sun more flexibly than modern DST does"

and...

"During his time as an American envoy to France, Benjamin Franklin, publisher of the old English proverb, "Early to bed, and early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise",[24][25] anonymously published a letter suggesting that Parisians economize on candles by rising earlier to use morning sunlight.[26] This 1784 satire proposed taxing shutters, rationing candles, and waking the public by ringing church bells and firing cannons at sunrise.[27] Franklin did not propose DST; like ancient Rome, 18th-century Europe did not keep precise schedules. However, this soon changed as rail and communication networks came to require a standardization of time unknown in Franklin's day."



Your turn....

(Actually.... this is utterly fascinating. The more I learn about history the more it's not like a lot of folks think: Just like today except they wore wigs and hoop skirts and didn't have AC. Their very concept of time and how to keep it was different! The tiny intricacies of daily...minute to minute life get lost to time. What common things we take for granted today will future generations not understand?)

out...I was told they hadn't switched the time but would in a few days (this was in late October).

... but accidentally killed the drive-in-movie.

I read somewhere that consumers like to shop in daylight. Therefore, by extending daylight hours, they are extending shopping time.

more daylight, only messing with the human-created timepieces.

Illusion - LOL

I can start having them earlier.

Plus, I wake up with the sun, so I might as well use a clock that wakes up with the sun.

I'd race to the beach to watch the sunset. Lifted my spirits.
Now~a~days I sit on the porch until it gets dark.
I love the Summer sun.

before dark.

The joggers move up the hill later in the day, the kids shoot hoops until it's dark, we
water late and that is a good thing...it is like a little gift and I love that
extra time to get outdoor things done.

I am sure the pier fisherpeople can stay later in the evening, also.


Tikki

n/t

It is so ridiculously upsetting this changing the time.

Arizona has this one thing right.

doesn't make much difference and it makes kids got to school in the morning in the dark again. I can see it for higher latitudes, but in NM it doesn't make sense. I hate DST!

I drive my son to school so no standing at the bus stop in darkness but there are plenty of kids who do. What a bummer to wake up at 6:30 in pitch black like the middle of the night. I dropped him off at 7:30 and it was light out but the sun still hadn't even come up over the horizon. Not to mention when we do get those last of winter snow storms it's colder in the morning because the sun is still so far away from rising to help melt or warm anything up.

I could truly do without these time changes twice a year.

Time to enjoy the outdoors after work. I hate getting off work when it's dark out.

Just don't leave me in standard year round.

It's the changing back and forth that bothers us, not what the actual hour is called.

Pick a time any time and stick with it!

They wake me up to get their breakfast the same time everyday, regardless of what the clock says/

and stick with it!

you can be at the west edge of one, any time zone. I was for long time at the western edge of MT and still loved DST better. Sunlight till after 10:30pm in the mid-summer, great!

it's not so great - have to have room darkening shades and stuff to go to sleep.

Still I'd rather have that than changing the clocks twice a year. I could adjust to anything - it's the constant re-adjustment that's the problem.

happens across the time zones which it doesn't. For the 10:30pm sun, you'd have to be on the farthest west edge, AND be north of Utah, otherwise it's more like 9 or 9:30 at the very latest. Here in SoCal the latest is about 8:30. So that settles that exaggeration. As for darker or heavier curtains, welcome to what most graveyarders and rotating shifters have to deal with, wah wah wah...
And lastly "constant" changing????? It isn't constant it's twice a year. And you can't adjust to an hour change of time, I sure hope you never travel, by any means, because it's hard to do much quality travel if you're always in your own time zone.

Actually, I have traveled, and do travel quite a bit. That's planned, and normally the body clock adjustment is accommodated. Mostly for vacation nowadays, anyway, so I can deal with the jet lag as I please. I avoid travel for work as much as possible now, for many reasons, but I don't miss having to deal with morning meetings after a long flight. (Not that it happened often when I traveled for work. Like I said, it's typically understood and planned around.)

Though I don't have to travel much for it anymore, my job doesn't change its hours for the time shift. And yes, in summer I do have to go to bed while it is still light out, or shortly after sunset. I don't know what time exactly that is, but it's mildly annoying. My point is there are probably lots of people who have it worse than me in that regard, so it seems kind of selfish that one group of people get their way while making life more difficult for others. But I've already said, I'm fine with leaving DST as the standard, and just not changing back and forth. Let's just adapt once and be done with it.

But ok, whatever. So I am kicking the thread and hopefully more people will see and sign the petition to do away with the idiotic practice of resetting the clocks twice a year. (now over 13,500! woo-hoo!)

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/eliminate-bi-annual-time-change-caused-daylight-savings-time/ShChxpKh

I notice you seem to take DST personally though, so I guess you'd take what I typed personally.

What's the 'constant' part?

I need all the time outside after work that I can get during these spring days and the long summer days. Early morning light doesn't help. I can't wait for tomorrow, when I can enjoy the light!

It always confuses me.

Same for sunset. If the sun sets at 8 on Saturday then it sets at 9 on Sunday.

Meantime the time you need to be at work is still 8 am (which hour was at 7 am the day before). So you're actually going to work an hour earlier, getting off work an hour earlier, which means you have that extra hour after work before sunset. You also lose an hours worth of sleep the first day.

It's not getting dark earlier. You're doing everything an hour earlier.

It does allow more of an active outdoor life.

human beings cannot create daylight. all they can do is mess with the timepieces.

there is a story that a native american supposedly said "only a white man could think that cutting off one end of the blanket and sewing it to the other end makes the blanket longer" whoever said it, it is true.

Where I live in Colorado in the peak of the summer the dawn is starting around 5AM in DST. Without DST that would be 4AM. Most people I know sleep well pat 5AM, meaning that hour of daylight would be bright while attempting to sleep. Similarly at that time of year, here it gets dark around 9PM, which without DST would be 8PM. Since most adults are awake well beyond 8PM they would consume more electricity by burning lights for that hour. No time is created obviously, but the 4AM-5AM switches to darker, and the 8PM to 9PM switch to brighter.

But the specific experience varies where you live. As you move more south, the difference between length of days in summer and winter is less, and the efforts become less fruitful.

There are also arguments that this schedule change has people coming home from work earlier, requiring harder air conditioning work which would consume at least as much electricity as that saved from the lighting. I guess it would depend on actually set the thermostat higher when away, and there was nobody else home during the day.

Its not my favorite thing but I'm not going to get my knickers in a wad over it.

I whole hardly agree!
All DST does is force everyone to get up an hour early. But so many are so dumb that they thing sun comes up an hour later and sets an hour later.

They will kick and scream about having to get up an hour earlier for a flex work schedule, but are as happy as can be to do the exact same thing Disguised as DST.

My work schedule doesn't change during DST months.

Don't you think that would do it? Not showing up an hour late too often.

and today (Monday) I needed to be at work at 8:00am also.

Or are you talking about if I forget to set my clock ahead one hour than I would have
been late today?

Using the basic reference, the sun and your internal clock, you got up an hour earlier on Monday. If you hadn't done that, you would have been late to work Monday.

...we get it back in November when we 'fall back'.

And yes, it did feel like I was getting out of bed early this morning. That's what naps are for.

If you work 9 to 5, you have more daylight at the end of your workday.

'They're trying to make a string longer by cutting off one end and tying it on the other.'\\


Wolf

don't care.

Makes people late to work. There is a 17% increase in car wrecks the week after the time change. I guess those people care quite a bit.

It totally changes your body clock. And I hate it.

I used to travel quite a bit, and quite a distance. Travelling to a time zone with a 10-hour difference - now there's messing with your body's clock. One hour? Not so much.

I don't like the change and would prefer just to have daylight savings time. Whatever the original intention, it doesn't seem to apply today, so I'm for just stopping this idiocy.

THANK YOU!

But I like DST. It a spring ritual. I love it still being light at 10 PM.

The unnecessary accidents, the fights people get into because they get so grumpy.

I started a petition on this last year, but it got nowhere. Glad to see it getting votes now.

It's a trivial issue, really. I sure as hell don't want to see the whole country forced to do either year-round DST or none at all.

The country is currently forced to switch clocks twice a year. Which forced activity is more intrusive?

Hell, if some people really want DST to be phased out, then they ought to take it to the county or state, and see what they want....and not force the whole damn country to do it regardless of what exactly they want.

Whether they like it or not, this is the best workable system we can have right now, all myths about widespread "Circadian harm" and higher traffic accidents aside.

I'm sorry, but this IS a trivial issue. And a rather useless & petty one at that.

If THIS kind of pathetic B.S. is what gets people moving, and not clean energy to wean us off of fossil fuels, or asking President Obama to reconsider some of his drone policies, or fighting Republican corruption, then we are in serious, big time, trouble.

In my neck of the woods the sun will rise at 7:50 am. Yuck

In the fall older kids would be waiting in the dark for their buses if we didn't change the clocks back after daylight savings time is supposed to end.

Also, I love the longer days in the spring and summer, it's a simple pleasure we can all look forward too. Changing the clocks twice a year is no biggie, at least for us.

And the only way around having kids waiting in the dark for buses would be to change school hours. And changing school hours would mean parents would be in a pickle about getting to work after sending their kids off and those servicing the schools would have to change their schedules.

It would be like society and the schools would go out of sync twice a year.

and the schools can be in sync.

SChanging the clocks is ridiculous, and dangerous.

I believe that was referring only to the change in the spring.

I read that in one of the many relevant articles that came out yesterday. If I find the link again I'll post it.

Either way you have to adjust to a new schedule.

and it is done to make sense of the local situation. The whole country does not do it. In some places it makes sense to change the work/school start times seasonally, and in others it makes no sense.

The dangers - extra accidents, shortness of tempers, etc associated with the time change would be born only by the people that this change would make some sense for. Not the rest of us where it does nothing but cause a greater accident risks.

I really don't care if it is dark or not at that time....in fact, it is dark in the winter on the way to work no matter what.

I prefer to have an extra hour of light in the evening, when my time is mine. I enjoy that time.

This.

Let's just leave time the same all year around. It really confuses the animals, their feeding times and other things.

I'm getting off work an hour early tonite

Just sayin. Dont be messing with God's time.

Now, people are doing his work. Time can't be very important to him. I doubt he even carries a watch.

of all things, my warped sense of humor is his creation. Personally, I blame my parents.

I cant blame my parents. They really tried hard but I am what I am.

.... total idiocy and a nightmare for computer programmers who have to explain to computers that "time" depends on when and where you are.

Adjusting the daylight "hours" to populations of millions of people has a huge impact.

Maybe we should focus on energy efficiency and conservation rather than messing with the clock and throwing most people off schedule twice a year.

DST roughly corresponds to the U.S. crop growing season.

Especially if they have animals to feed, milk, etc.

My body rhythms just operate better on standard time.

1) In the winter, you do not want to have a lot of students walking to school in the dark and people commuting to work in the dark only half-awake. It avoids a lot of accidents.

2) In the summer (whether or not this one is good depends on point of view or economic self-interest), longer evening daylight hours encourages gardening and barbecuing and other activities that generate business. Incidentally they also generate and encourage friendship and socialization, which are good things in my view.

Agree completely!! Lotsa things in life to drive you crazy, but daylight savings time is not one of them, at least for my family. It always occurs on the weekend and even when I worked on the weekend, it wasn't a big deal.

It's especially true if you work during the day. I hate going to work in the dark and coming home in the dark.

If you have year round "summer" time, you will have people driving to work in the dark in the winter and children walking to school in the dark in winter.

an extra hour of sunlight in the evening when it counts. And do children really walk to school anymore? The only walking kids do around here is to the bus stop.