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midnight

(26,624 posts)
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 01:00 AM Mar 2013

The Great Depression wasn't as bad as the liberals made it sound:

and more wacky facts kids will learn via Louisiana Voucher Schools was reported last year via Mother Jones...


Under Gov. Bobby Jindal's voucher program, considered the most sweeping in the country, Louisiana is poised to spend tens of millions of dollars to help poor and middle-class students from the state's notoriously terrible public schools receive a private education. While the governor's plan sounds great in the glittery parlance of the state's PR machine, the program is rife with accountability problems that actually haven't been solved by the new standards the Louisiana Department of Education adopted two weeks ago.

For one, of the 119 (mostly Christian) participating schools, Zack Kopplin, a gutsy college sophomore who's taken to Change.org to stonewall the program, has identified at least 19 that teach or champion creationist nonscience and will rake in nearly $4 million in public funding from the initial round of voucher designations.

Read about Bobby Jindal's exorcism problem.
Many of these schools, Kopplin notes, rely on Pensacola-based A Beka Book curriculum or Bob Jones University Press textbooks to teach their pupils Bible-based "facts," such as the existence of Nessie the Loch Ness Monster and all sorts of pseudoscience that researcher Rachel Tabachnick and writer Thomas Vinciguerra have thankfully pored over so the rest of world doesn't have to.



http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2012/07/photos-evangelical-curricula-louisiana-tax-dollars



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The Great Depression wasn't as bad as the liberals made it sound: (Original Post) midnight Mar 2013 OP
I'm sorry, but that's bloody terrifying. PDJane Mar 2013 #1
I know many people must of read this last year when it was printed, but it sure seems like midnight Mar 2013 #4
* Note to HR. "Do not,,,I repeat..Do not hire people from Louisiana. BlueJazz Mar 2013 #2
Or Kansas. Archaic Mar 2013 #3
hey DonCoquixote Mar 2013 #9
True...OK...except for DonCoquixote and people like him. BlueJazz Mar 2013 #17
Well, other than the Neville Brothers. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #13
Awful books bluemarkers Mar 2013 #5
Accountability problems? Lordquinton Mar 2013 #6
Oh yeah? daybranch Mar 2013 #7
In my freshman year in college during a history class the instructor kairos12 Mar 2013 #27
Are you referring to this: midnight Mar 2013 #37
My dad really did well during the Great Depression, Cleita Mar 2013 #8
our depression is greater olddots Mar 2013 #10
When we quote a link like this, we need to put the word "Christian" in quotes anytime it appears. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #11
"God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ."? Ken Burch Mar 2013 #12
The image says all that needs to be said about the sickening lie RVN VET Mar 2013 #15
My parents were teens and young adults during them depression Arkansas Granny Mar 2013 #14
Setting The US Up For Greater Austerity By Minimizing Past Pain cantbeserious Mar 2013 #16
Ignorance is to high a price to pay so that these greedy people can feel better about themselves... midnight Mar 2013 #20
Agreed - I Don't Know How To Get Past The Media Monolith Controlled By The 1% cantbeserious Mar 2013 #23
Look at this link.... We need to become savvy and use alternative media... midnight Mar 2013 #24
I Suggested The Same Well Over A Decade Ago - It All Takes Time And Money - No One I Know Has Either cantbeserious Mar 2013 #26
It was just as bad as it was.. and that was very bad. ananda Mar 2013 #18
A Beka is crap. I looked at it once for a job. knitter4democracy Mar 2013 #19
My father's family ellie Mar 2013 #21
I was told a similar story from my mother.. midnight Mar 2013 #25
when he was a kid my dad shot squirrels to help feed his family Skittles Mar 2013 #31
Courage to do what had to be done... I bet he never threw anything away either.... My grandmother midnight Mar 2013 #32
omg midnight Skittles Mar 2013 #40
I'm glad to hear that some of sacrifices your family made has made a helpful impression on you... midnight Mar 2013 #41
garden??? Skittles Mar 2013 #42
There is always vertical gardening.... But thats alright.... I only grow lettuce, tomatoes midnight Mar 2013 #43
My Grandmother (the mother of seven) went blind Boomerproud Mar 2013 #35
What a horrible hardship.... I just received this e-mail about Paul Ryan's voucher system midnight Mar 2013 #39
The overall theme of that text, when you get down to it, Ken Burch Mar 2013 #22
Many are no longer buying into their myths for austerity midnight Mar 2013 #33
Other than that, how was the play Mrs Lincoln still_one Mar 2013 #28
More on Zack Kopplin at this thread: TexasTowelie Mar 2013 #29
Who controls the past, controls the future... YoungDemCA Mar 2013 #30
Bobby Jindal Dpm12 Mar 2013 #34
Coming up next: why were all those bleeding heart liberals whining about the dustbowl? struggle4progress Mar 2013 #36
Globalization and the rapture RZM Mar 2013 #38

midnight

(26,624 posts)
4. I know many people must of read this last year when it was printed, but it sure seems like
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 01:55 AM
Mar 2013

it needs to be re-read again...

Archaic

(273 posts)
3. Or Kansas.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 01:33 AM
Mar 2013

Which is a shame, because it's not the fault of the students for the lack of education available due to their place of birth.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
9. hey
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 02:58 AM
Mar 2013

some people are smart liberals who have suffered through the system, but are all the more liberal because of it.

bluemarkers

(536 posts)
5. Awful books
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 02:13 AM
Mar 2013

I homeschooled for a few years and had a hard time finding real science books. (and history too, but the English probably because they adhered to the ridged rules of grammar were pretty good, as were a couple of math titles, none of the good ones were Abekka or bj)

But in one history book, it said Queen Victoria was the best monarch England had ever had.... because she handed out bibles to everyone.... I mean, seriously

That fossils could be created in short periods of time because of a salt encrusted felt hat in the style of a century earlier found in a ... wait for it ... salt mine. Never mind the actual science of how fossils form.

Winston Salem NC used to have a homeschool convention around Memorial Day. I encourage everyone to get your hands on a copy or two of these things.... scary and hilarious at the same time. Like watching a 1950s B sci fy flick

Not one cent of taxpayer money should be spent on this nonsense though.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
7. Oh yeah?
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 02:43 AM
Mar 2013

Several years ago, I was out canvassing for Governor Strickland, former Ohio democratic governor. One man who appeared in his early to late eighties informed me that he was a democrat and his children would always be democrats. I asked why and he informed me that duriing the depression for a long time he and other members of his family did not have meat and then they could afford it again after Roosevelt was elected.
Sounds pretty bad to me.
Have you guys heard of the Harlan County War? Have you heard of the starving children and the mine operators who beat those who tried to feed them , labeling them as communists?
Sounds bad to me?
How about you??

kairos12

(12,862 posts)
27. In my freshman year in college during a history class the instructor
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:52 PM
Mar 2013

asked the class how many you believe the FDR was a great man. I knew it was going to be a long four years when I was the only person who raised his hand.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
37. Are you referring to this:
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:06 PM
Mar 2013

Synopsis: The true story of one of the most contentious labor disputes of the 1970s is the basis for this made-for-cable drama. In 1973, many of the men of Harlan County, Kentucky, were employed by Brookside Mining, who operated a number of coal mines. Brookside paid its employees meager wages for dangerous, backbreaking work, and also controlled housing and retail sales in the area, boarding its workers in shacks without central heating or indoor plumbing, and selling them food and clothing at inflated prices. ... Full Synopsis

http://movies.msn.com/movies/movie/harlan-county-war/

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
8. My dad really did well during the Great Depression,
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 02:52 AM
Mar 2013

just before I was born, thanks to his job. But even he said that things were really bad for most people.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
11. When we quote a link like this, we need to put the word "Christian" in quotes anytime it appears.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:34 AM
Mar 2013

Otherwise, we're accepting the argument that crazyheads like this actually speak for Jesus.

RVN VET

(492 posts)
15. The image says all that needs to be said about the sickening lie
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 10:55 AM
Mar 2013

I wonder if they think that Jesus was taking the one third who died on the way, or just helping along the 2 thirds who got to live out their lives in misery and despair?

It's a pity the Federal Government cannot institute a forcible "trail of tears" to march the victims of this kind of "education" to the land of truth. The children whose minds are horribly warped by these lies and distortions -- but especially the parents who inculcate them and the book publishers who disseminate the lies.

(I wonder if there math claims 2+2=5?)

Arkansas Granny

(31,517 posts)
14. My parents were teens and young adults during them depression
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 08:03 AM
Mar 2013

My dad's family did better than most because my grandfather was able to keep his job. My mother lost her father just before the crash. Her mother was left to raise two children by herself. They had some very tough times.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
20. Ignorance is to high a price to pay so that these greedy people can feel better about themselves...
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 05:59 PM
Mar 2013

And you are right.... those who know no better will accept it.... Right along with the fact that tax cuts for the wealthy will create jobs...

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
26. I Suggested The Same Well Over A Decade Ago - It All Takes Time And Money - No One I Know Has Either
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:47 PM
Mar 2013

eom

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
19. A Beka is crap. I looked at it once for a job.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 03:45 PM
Mar 2013

I didn't get the teaching job because the deacon board didn't like that I wasn't Baptist. The dept. head of the English dept., the principal, and the pastor all wanted to hire me so I could spearhead an AP English program, but the deacons were upset that I was Eastern Orthodox Christian and not Baptist. In going through the many interviews, I got to look at the textbooks--they were hands-down the worst I've ever seen in all my years of teaching.

ellie

(6,929 posts)
21. My father's family
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:02 PM
Mar 2013

was so poor, if he got an orange for Christmas he considered himself lucky. I hate repukes with the red hot intensity of a thousand suns.

midnight

(26,624 posts)
32. Courage to do what had to be done... I bet he never threw anything away either.... My grandmother
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:47 AM
Mar 2013

had a button collection, re-cycled all clothes and made into cloths for other family members.. My Grandfather could fix almost anything....

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
40. omg midnight
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:38 PM
Mar 2013

I was raised by a depression-era survivor and a WWII survivor - talk about a double whammy - these were people who didn't just THINK bad things could happen, they KNEW they could - yes I was raised very frugally and I have kept those habits all my life....it served me well because I came out of the recession so much better off than many people

midnight

(26,624 posts)
41. I'm glad to hear that some of sacrifices your family made has made a helpful impression on you...
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 09:08 PM
Mar 2013

I suppose you have a nice garden?

midnight

(26,624 posts)
43. There is always vertical gardening.... But thats alright.... I only grow lettuce, tomatoes
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 11:33 PM
Mar 2013

and cucumbers... on a small lot...

midnight

(26,624 posts)
39. What a horrible hardship.... I just received this e-mail about Paul Ryan's voucher system
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:05 PM
Mar 2013

for health care....


If you think clipping coupons is fun for buying canned soup and salad dressing, imagine how “fun” it will be when that’s how Medicare works.

That’s what Paul Ryan’s Medicare vouchers would mean for future seniors: instead of guaranteed health care, seniors would get a coupon. And if private insurance costs thousands of dollars more than the coupon is worth, well, then those seniors will be out of luck.

Medicare is supposed to provide health care, not coupons: sign our petition today to stop Paul Ryan’s Medicare vouchers!

The biggest mistake we could make right now is assuming this could never happen – that Ryan’s voucher plan is so extreme, it would never pass.

But then why has almost every Republican in Congress voted for Ryan's Medicare vouchers? Why was Ryan himself on the GOP presidential ticket? Voucherizing Medicare is now the go-to Republican answer to every self-inflicted budget crisis that comes up!

PLEASE ADD YOUR NAME: Tell Republicans to drop Paul Ryan’s voucher scheme once and for all!

Thank you for speaking out,

John Winston
National Political Director
The Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
22. The overall theme of that text, when you get down to it,
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 06:09 PM
Mar 2013

is the idea that God actually WANTED all the horrible things to happen...slavery, the Trail of Tears, child labor, the Great Depression, and probably Matthew Shepard getting nailed to that fence(although I think they hold off on that one 'til middle school).

Therefore(this argument holds)anyone who opposed or opposes ANY of the above is "against God".

Which was basically the theological viewpoint held by absolute monarchs in 10th Century Europe.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
38. Globalization and the rapture
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 02:24 PM
Mar 2013

Makes sense from a rapture perspective, at least.

That one also has lots of secular counterparts, mostly wacky Alex Jones-style stuff. It's not hard pointing out the connections between religious and secular nuttery.

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