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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:13 AM Mar 2013

CEOs say American workers suck


Workers these days just don't have what it takes to make it to the corner office, more U.S. executives say.

Workers lack communication, collaboration, critical thinking and creative skills executives say, according to a recent survey by the American Management Association. Turns out, bosses aren't too excited about their underlings' abilities, a prospect they're getting more worried about considering such skills will be more important amid a changing business landscape, they say.

The number of executives rating their employees as below average increased across all four areas since the survey was last taken in 2010. Almost 20 percent of workers lack at least average creative skills, according to executives. .......................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/07/workers-skills-executives_n_2829445.html?utm_hp_ref=business



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CEOs say American workers suck (Original Post) marmar Mar 2013 OP
The feeling's mutual. n/t TDale313 Mar 2013 #1
You only get what you pay for... n/t Hugin Mar 2013 #2
OMG Agschmid Mar 2013 #7
So many mirrors at the top Angry Dragon Mar 2013 #3
When you treat your employees like shit, you can expect shit in return. liberal N proud Mar 2013 #4
French Aristocrats say Peasants suck. Turbineguy Mar 2013 #5
CEO's Got A Lot To Learn grilled onions Mar 2013 #6
we may suck 2pooped2pop Mar 2013 #8
Imagine that ... etherealtruth Mar 2013 #9
And American workers say CEOs with that attitude suck Generic Brad Mar 2013 #10
sounds like daybranch Mar 2013 #11
Well, if they would stop sucking the education budget into corporate welfare... krispos42 Mar 2013 #12
Well maybe they ought to focus on employee development in those skills. MH1 Mar 2013 #13
I'm sure it has nothing to do theKed Mar 2013 #14
The only one of those 4 skills they're emphasizing in schools these days is collaboration. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2013 #15
No, America's CEOs suck. Big time! City Lights Mar 2013 #16
I think that is a direct effect of Teaching for tests...not education in general. Auntie Bush Mar 2013 #17
That's because they are freaking exhausted from 30 years of Reaganomic squeeze CanonRay Mar 2013 #18
As one manager said to me, "you're already being paid to do the job you were hired to do, why notadmblnd Mar 2013 #19
So, they think the peasants are revolting? baldguy Mar 2013 #20
One company I worked for did a "rate your boss" survey. Buns_of_Fire Mar 2013 #23
I think that if timdog44 Mar 2013 #21
Can they find a single American worker who doesn't think CEOs suck? undeterred Mar 2013 #22
Reap what you sow......... Purplehazed Mar 2013 #24
Funny they (the CEOs and Bosses) do not take responsibility for their own suckiness! terceldude Sep 2015 #25
Mnay executives rose from the ranks. Perhaps this explains why US businesses guillaumeb Sep 2015 #26
They may be right matt819 Sep 2015 #27
Workers are only as good as their leader makes them. A good, not greedy CEO, knows how to get Cleita Sep 2015 #28
That's what happens when corporations opt for cheap labor notadmblnd Sep 2015 #29
Workers get slave wages flobee1 Sep 2015 #30
A large part of the problem is that the skills they say they want are introvert skills Warpy Sep 2015 #31
Just thank American education and American journalists for the state of Americans. valerief Sep 2015 #32

liberal N proud

(60,335 posts)
4. When you treat your employees like shit, you can expect shit in return.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:22 AM
Mar 2013

They have spent the last 30+ years making benefits from the employee, expecting more from them and all at ever growing disparity between what they pay them vs. what they get paid.

This sort of survey is part of the journey the CEO's are taking the American worker back to the 19th century.

These arrogant assholes have yet to realize what they will lose when they destroy the American working class.



grilled onions

(1,957 posts)
6. CEO's Got A Lot To Learn
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:37 AM
Mar 2013

First while money seems to run their world(after all that seems to be a major reason for them to job hop) and many have proven they aren't at the top of their own game they seem to past swift judgement on those "lowly workers" that they rarely even see. How do they learn about these workers that they assume are non creative,non starters? Is it from another one from the lower end of the upper trying to make points or perhaps trouble?
I haven't seen that many creative ideas flying out of CEO offices of late.
Second every company has some good workers and there are always great ones too. SO why is it come budget time these brilliant CEO's decode it's better to dump the guy that has been there twenty years,who knows the ropes to hire one who's only skill may be being the brother-in-law to someone high up who is willing to work for pocket change--rarely great qualifications.
If CEO's had to follow the same acid tests that many workers are forced to every day, if they had to work for the same kind of wages,deal with the same kind of abuse,neglect that they seem so great at heaping on those who work below them I would bet many would be bitter about their jobs,see what it's like being used and might even have the experience of being out of work at 45 at a time when no one hires anyone past 40.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
8. we may suck
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:41 AM
Mar 2013

but at least we don't promote the death of the entire population to get a few more bucks.

So we might suck, but they fuck for a buck.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
9. Imagine that ...
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:43 AM
Mar 2013

We aren't willing to work for a few dollars a day and live in shanty towns overlooking their splendor and opulence. Go figure.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
11. sounds like
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:46 AM
Mar 2013

projection to me. How do the employees rate their bosses. It seems to me that having respect for employees and trying to develop them and the qualities mentioned are punished in many large organizations. Lots of talk about good management, but a great desire to use the stick and to promote those who would gladly do this because of the loyalty to the company obviously outweighing one's humanity. I guess I say look in your own closet before you start complaining.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
12. Well, if they would stop sucking the education budget into corporate welfare...
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:46 AM
Mar 2013

...things might be better.


"We got exactly what we want! Why do things still suck????" <whine>

MH1

(17,600 posts)
13. Well maybe they ought to focus on employee development in those skills.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:48 AM
Mar 2013

You know, invest in their employees a bit.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,838 posts)
15. The only one of those 4 skills they're emphasizing in schools these days is collaboration.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 10:15 AM
Mar 2013

Communication, critical thinking and creative skills? No one can write clearly anymore, there's no time or funding for the arts and creativity is too hard to assess, anyway. As for critical thinking? We've beaten it out of the kids, not just failed to instill it. School systems that use textbooks that tiptoe around creationism vs evolution and twist history to suit the teabaggers aren't going to turn out critical thinkers.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
17. I think that is a direct effect of Teaching for tests...not education in general.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 11:02 AM
Mar 2013

The worst thing to ever happen to education is teaching for tests. How often will you need those skills on the job? At least the majority won't. We need to develop our creativity and ingenuity...That's what made us special.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
19. As one manager said to me, "you're already being paid to do the job you were hired to do, why
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:00 PM
Mar 2013

should I give you a raise?" Well, You're only paying me to do the job I was hired to do, why should I do more?

Buns_of_Fire

(17,180 posts)
23. One company I worked for did a "rate your boss" survey.
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:24 PM
Mar 2013

I was one of the people who collated and summarized the results in a report to TPTB in a nice, simple format without too many big words.

"Management" didn't fare too well in their employee's eyes.

Never published the results. And, needless to say, never did such a survey again.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
21. I think that if
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 12:09 PM
Mar 2013

these same CEOs would be jailed for the crimes the companies commit, that they supposedly represent, instead of the company being made to pay a paltry fine, these same CEOs would not be around to make absurd statements like they do.

Purplehazed

(179 posts)
24. Reap what you sow.........
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 01:42 PM
Mar 2013

In the quest for obscene profits, outrageous pay for the CEO's and luxurious perks, companies have engaged in management models and practices that have killed the skilled workforce.

I'm sure that any of you that have taken college business courses in the last twenty years has been indoctrinated with this drivel. Six Sigma, LEAN, Just in time, OPEX etc. implemented by engineers and MBA's serve to pare companies down to only essential functions in the quest for short term profits. Production/operation methods are so tightly controlled that companies only need to hire unskilled labor at lower rates of pay.

Gone are the days of apprenticeships, tradesmen and journeymen, training alliances with local schools, "hands on" innovation. There is no room or need for critical thinking by the "hands on" worker anymore. Gone are the extra supplies in a factory that might be used to innovate. Gone are employee made devices, built to last forever, that helped get the job done. Gone are great industrial suppliers like Bridgeport, South Bend and Cincinnati. Rather than investing in quality, modern management buys cheap crap manufactured abroad. Quite frankly, the younger and less skilled than their grandfather workers don't know anything different.

So the CEO's can complain all they want, but it shows something about their collective skill when they don't recognize the workforce that they created.

terceldude

(1 post)
25. Funny they (the CEOs and Bosses) do not take responsibility for their own suckiness!
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 03:48 PM
Sep 2015

CEOs are becoming greedier and greedier and all at the expense of the American worker..This ish has got to STOP! One thing for sure is if the job sucks anyway, why even bother doing it? Who gives a damn what the CEOs or bosses think when they're the ones who started it?!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
26. Mnay executives rose from the ranks. Perhaps this explains why US businesses
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 03:51 PM
Sep 2015

apparently cannot compete.

Plus if these executives were more concerned with long term growth and less concerned with their own compensation, perhaps the economy would look different.

Carly Fiorina epitomizes, in my view, this type of executive incompetence.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
27. They may be right
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 03:55 PM
Sep 2015

If they're talking about younger employees, then they have only themselves to blame, supporting, as they undoubtedly have, reductions in government spending on education. And we as a society have failed thanks to slavish emphasis on standardized test scores.

At the same time, they are paying crap wages, and the social contract of decent wages and reliable employment is shredded. What other attitudes would they expect when they treat people like shit?

And, let's face it, whether or not American employees do indeed fall short of the CEOs' alleged expectation, the reality is that they (the CEOs) are focuses primarily (exclusively?) on the bottom line, and labor is a large part of that. So paying third world wages is their goal, and they will offer up any number of excuses to achieve that.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
28. Workers are only as good as their leader makes them. A good, not greedy CEO, knows how to get
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 04:01 PM
Sep 2015

the best out of his workers. At least that's the way it used to be before the greed theory of management took over. Those executives need to look in the mirror.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
29. That's what happens when corporations opt for cheap labor
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 04:04 PM
Sep 2015

they get rid of anyone that has any experience and skills, then fill those spots with kids and H1Bs, then complain workers don't have what it takes. WTF?

flobee1

(870 posts)
30. Workers get slave wages
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 04:22 PM
Sep 2015

And execs expect them go go above and beyond? Sorry, if you want extra work you can do it yourself. After all, thats what you get the extra money for!

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
31. A large part of the problem is that the skills they say they want are introvert skills
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 04:24 PM
Sep 2015

but their hiring preferences are for extroverts who schmooze instead of doing all that critical thinking and creativity.

Plus, they're getting what they pay for in terms of effort and loyalty and all that other good stuff managers could count on when they paid living wages.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
32. Just thank American education and American journalists for the state of Americans.
Fri Sep 25, 2015, 05:16 PM
Sep 2015

Oh, and Jesus and the creepy, cruel pols who work as agents for these CEOs.

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