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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Sun Mar 10, 2013, 09:38 PM Mar 2013

Scientists say remains suggest Stonehenge started as graveyard

LONDON — British researchers have proposed a new theory for the origins of Stonehenge: It may have started as a giant burial ground for elite families around 3,000 B.C.

New studies of cremated human remains excavated from the site suggest that about 500 years before the Stonehenge we know today was built, a larger stone circle was erected at the same site as a community graveyard, researchers said.

"These were men, women, children, so presumably family groups," said University College London professor Mike Parker Pearson, who led the team. "We'd thought that maybe it was a place where a dynasty of kings was buried, but this seemed to be much more of a community, a different kind of power structure."

Tale of two Stonehenges

Parker Pearson said archaeologists studied the cremated bones of 63 individuals, and believed that they were buried around 3,000 B.C. The location of many of the cremated bodies was originally marked by bluestones, he said. That earlier circular enclosure, which measured around 300 feet (91 meters) across, could have been the burial ground for about 200 more people, Parker Pearson said.

http://science.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/10/17259834-scientists-say-remains-suggest-stonehenge-started-as-graveyard?lite

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Scientists say remains suggest Stonehenge started as graveyard (Original Post) The Straight Story Mar 2013 OP
They had a programme on this last night - what I didn't know was the Avenue is natural muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #1
Was that this one dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #3
Yes, that's the one the transcript was from muriel_volestrangler Mar 2013 #4
Thanks for that dipsydoodle Mar 2013 #5
"Think what you like." - Dru & The Ids (aka Skelly & The BoneHeads) Berlum Mar 2013 #2

muriel_volestrangler

(101,355 posts)
1. They had a programme on this last night - what I didn't know was the Avenue is natural
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:01 AM
Mar 2013

which is thought to be why the site was chosen in the first place. This is a fairly recent discovery, but not new for this year - from a NOVA 2010 program:

The answer may lie hidden beneath the surface of the Stonehenge avenue, the great processional route leading to the river Avon. This feature was mapped by running a small electric current through the soil and measuring its resistance. The technique can detect structures under the surface.

It picked up a series of mysterious grooves running beneath the avenue, for more than 200 yards. Parker Pearson was convinced these grooves were the remains of a manmade structure, older than the avenue.

His team opened a shallow trench to investigate.

MIKE PARKER PEARSON: I was convinced we were going to find evidence for gullies that contained vertical timber posts, something like that, and I was bitterly disappointed, because they were entirely natural.

NARRATOR: Soil specialists determined that these grooves were formed between two natural ridges in the landscape. During the last Ice Age, these ridges funneled rainwater and snowmelt between them. Yearly freezing and thawing caused the ground to crack into long deep grooves.

What makes the grooves extraordinary is that they are aligned with the solstices. On the winter solstice, they would have pointed directly at the spot where the setting sun touches the horizon.

CLIVE RUGGLES: Think about this coincidence in the landscape, the fact that you've got these natural stripes in the landscape actually aligning with the direction where the midwinter sun goes down. Yes, to us, it's a coincidence of nature, but imagine how that seemed to people whose mindset was different. It would have made it a very sacred and powerful spot. And that, for me, provides a very plausible reason why Stonehenge was constructed where it was.

NARRATOR: Prehistoric people built Stonehenge just beyond where the grooves end. Later, they enhanced the natural ridges with massive banks and extended the avenue all the way to the River Avon. Or so it was assumed.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/secrets-stonehenge.html

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
3. Was that this one
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:17 AM
Mar 2013

Last edited Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:02 AM - Edit history (1)

or is the title coincidental ? If it was then whole video is here and the opening sequence should provide an answer :



Opening sequence should provide an answer.

Must confess I never watch PBS. Whenever they've broadcast an entire series like The Dustbowl, Prohibition whatever I've just bought the DVD set instead.

edit to add : I've concluded it must be. Very good and well worth watching.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,355 posts)
4. Yes, that's the one the transcript was from
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 07:45 AM
Mar 2013

Last night's was on Channel 4 - covering much the same ground, I think, but a bit more up-to-date - they've analysed the cremated bones, which shows it was men, women and children, so not just a religious community or warrior burial, and think the bones from the feats show people came from all over Britain to them - from as far as the Orkneys.

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/analysis-of-63-ancient-human-remains-rewrites-the-story-of-stonehenge

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
5. Thanks for that
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:05 AM
Mar 2013

I can check that on 4oD. http://www.channel4.com/programmes/secrets-of-the-stonehenge-skeletons/4od#3493817

(probably not viewable outside of the UK)

Since you mention the Orkneys - see also from last year :

'Discovery of a lifetime': Stone Age temple found in Orkney is 800 years older than Stonehenge - and may be more important

A 5000-year-old temple in Orkney could be more important than Stonehenge, according to archaeologists.

The site, known as the Ness of Brodgar, was investigated by BBC2 documentary A History of Ancient Britain, with presenter Neil Oliver describing it as ‘the discovery of a lifetime’.

So far the remains of 14 Stone Age buildings have been excavated, but thermal geophysics technology has revealed that there are 100 altogether, forming a kind of temple precinct.

Until now Stonehenge was considered to have been the centre of Neolithic culture, but that title may now go to the Orkney site, which contains Britain’s earliest known wall paintings.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2081254/Stone-Age-temple-Orkney-significant-Stonehenge.html#ixzz2NEQWsWeO

There's a documentary on that too which from memory discusses the possibility that those who built that later shipped off south and then built stone henge.


Berlum

(7,044 posts)
2. "Think what you like." - Dru & The Ids (aka Skelly & The BoneHeads)
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 06:09 AM
Mar 2013

"The seeds of our destiny, are nurtured by the roots of our past." - Dru & The Ids

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