If it didn't happen in the years since 2008, it probably is not going to happen.

Do they expect an invasion?

What in the world? I hope that Congress looks into this.

Is this the response to the anticipated climate changes?

Shooting accurately is a skill- a skill that takes practice to maintain. Anyone who's interested in maintaining that skill can go through 3-4 boxes of ammo every couple of months- let's say 200 rounds. That's 800 rounds per officer per year, including however much is needed for annual re-qualification. Now multiply by the number of officers under the aegis of DHS.

I read that they are stockpiling hollowpoint ammo- which is not the stuff you use for target practice

Point of aim can change with different ammunition. A bullet of the same caliber will weigh different amounts depending on whether it's hollow-point or full metal jacketed (among other variables), which affects aim.

If all you intend to do is plink cans on the weekend, you'll likely pick whatever's cheapest (which is usually full metal jacketed, yes.)

Yeah. You like to use the same ammo you intend to carry. However for most of us it is a cost issue. PD ammo is 2X-3X more expense than FMJ. Of course, DHS doesn't care about cost.

But yeah, it's always easier to spend someone else's money, hehe.

A trillion here, a trillion there. Pretty soon it starts to add up to real money.

that results from a hail of bullets.

Recent evidence would suggest something like 1 strike nearly on target per 20-30 shots fired is the reality of domestic security services.

During Vietnam, we in QRFs referred to this approach as either "auto-get-em" or "spray and pray"

That approach sucks up lots of ammunition.

Most law enforcement uses annual qualifications with 50 rounds. That is it. Most officers do not do anything more than that. HLS has about 100,000 employees, including administration and staff, in departments where weapons might be used. So they are buying 12,000 rounds for every employee. But I'm sure there are those who will defend that.

I have a friend-of-a-friend who's ICE, and I frequently saw her at the range with boxes of Lake City ammo. (I've since moved.)

Most regular LEO (city, state, local)- you're right, I know more gun aficionados who can out-shoot them six days a week and twice on Sunday.

I can only speculate if my experience with one ICE agent is representative, though.

Most officers on the police force never fire their gun in the line of duty for their entire career. I was going over the city budget and noticed the police were buying the equivalent of 20,000 rounds of ammo per officer per year. I complained to the police chief about it and he reduced it to one third of that amount. Still a ridiculous amount but I take small victories where I can.

That might improve the horrible hit/miss ratio that most departments have.

...well, that sort of says it all. In the 2006 leaked "Plutonomy" Citigroup memo, they mention that income inequality is "apparently tolerated" in the US, UK, and Canada, and that people demanding the political system change to provide for fair distribution as their main, immediate fear, and that there are signs of trouble but nothing solid yet. Per the arcs of other plutonomies, uprisings are common and quite honestly, natural. They say they're keeping a close watch on it.

When you consider 7400+ Occupy Wall Street activists being arrested, even beaten and bloodied, and absolutely zero banksters or wall streeters arrested or even held accountable for nearly crashing the economy and continuing to receive massive bailouts, it makes more sense regarding the true sources of power in this country as well as their ability to quell any opposition. Banks were just declared "too big to prosecute" so you know which way the wind blows. As things are only becoming worse per income inequality, the natural dynamic is for another, larger populist uprising, and for those who do NOT want that, to prepare to destroy it when it happens.

Police state? No. Plutonomy / Corporatocracy? Yes.

For more reading:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022486390

Does a bear shit in the woods?

"The smoking gun in the form of a mushroom cloud"....... comes to mind.

I just caution against crying "wolf" or screaming "the sky is falling" when it isn't the case.

any significant others in your life, etc.,

The math works out to 12,000 rounds for every employee. That includes the administration down to the janitor. Some will justify anything.

they bought 6 months ago...all hollow points?

done.

it's a load of shit

It was linked to from the Forbes article

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Law enforcement uses hollow-point rounds because they tend to stay in the person shot, rather than passing clean through and into an innocent bystander. When you break down all the federal law enforcement agencies under the DHS, this amount accounts for the actual rounds used plus practice and qualification.

Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) alone expends many millions of hollow point rounds per year.

I'm cautious......... but I see no conspiracy here.

And notice that you didn't hear a peep about this when the Bush administration was pulling the strings at DHS.

for federal agencies. Oh, Glynco also buys lots of explosives. Don't let anybody know.

raises its head on DU yet again. This time promoted by noted nut-job, conservative wacko and Gold Standard Now proponent Ralph Benko.

A generally good rule of thumb is that if Ralph Benko is selling it, you know it's a steaming load of shit.

Who'd of thunk.

Another case of the "usual suspects"!

Forbes stirring up paranoia and fear of DHS under the Obama administration....... who could have seen that coming?

We're supposed to have an open and transparent government. I wouldn't shoot the messenger. I would be asking the other media sources why they don't think it's important. We have the Patriot Act, drones and an internal police force arming up. I find the trend a wee bit interesting. (I grew up in the 60's/70's).

correctly in many many forms since it happened. If you haven't been paying attention to more reliable sources than this tool it doesn't reflect to well.

shelves of every ammo retailer I've seen lately. For instance, the bullet shelves at my local Walmart look like they were set upon by a pack of wild mom's on a quest for the latest must-have toy during Christmas rush.

Why is that considered an Alex Jones delusion?

tells the fucking nutjobs that big bad Obama is a comin' for the guns every couple of years and every fucking nutjob heads out to the retailers to empty the shelves and fill their basements. Same shit happened shortly after the scary black dude was elected in 2008.

This ain't rocket science. The NRA and the manufacturers love nothing more than conspiracy minded "patriots" stocking up on shit, looks good for the bottom line when they have to chat with stockholders.

Nothing creates a run on supply more than a poorly educated customer base and we have that here in spades.

Opposite ends of the universe.

this idiocy among the Alex Jones version of wacko, the Mother Jones version hasn't bobbed it's head up at me.

What is the police state planning?

Paranoid citizens/paranoid government what could possibly go wrong?

DHS was a horrible idea that will bite us in the ass one day, but not with Big Brother Bullets...sorry Charlie.

Those that fear the govt, and the govt. $$$

If you are an OWS, then you have no fear. ;P

My wife and I can't even get a meaningful response on her visa application after 8 months. Complete lack of transparency and horrible inefficiency. And they're buying bullets for what most certainly is a sketchy reason to begin with. Obviously the sequester isn't hurting DHS at all if they can afford all these bullets, but their stupid set of priorities hurts international families.

Go out and spend a large sum of money of FUD!!! Who cares about college for your kids...Big Brother Bullets!!!! You know that scares you - watch I will type it all slow like and dreadful.... BIG>>>>BROTHER>>>BULLETS!!!!!!


Alex Jones scares the fish into the boat by using a bullhorn and dynamite.

Pretend not to defend him, yet do. Misrepresent facts. Spread the very worst RW conspiracy theory out there, that the Obama Administration is the enemy who is planning to gun down Americans. That's what it boils down to.

As being RWing CRAP. Yet here it stands in GD for all to see. Pretty embarrassing.

there are Hosts who refuse to lock anything to do with conspiracy theories.

Embarrassing is exactly the right word.

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At the bottom is a link to the PDF of the actual paperwork

I am suspicious about the need for and effectiveness of a homeland security force or department. That said, I don't see too much evidence as yet these ammo orders are precursors of authoritarian crackdowns. Even individuals purchase a lot of practice ammo (for the range), and some hollowpoints for actual SD or duty use as the latter have superior "stopping power" if needed. Even the OP's source says "some" of the rounds are hollopoints.

If things start going authoritarian, look for executive orders, decrees, and citizen detention. Could happen, but the ammo purchases are not convincing.

Note also the huge runs of civilian purchases. Any LEO is smart to get ahead of the game.

No need for the hysteria, but some parts are curious

Forbes is shit

There are some oddities in it.

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It never dies...

is coming after us!!"

rush to embrace the crap that the extreme paranoids on the right (Alex Jones and Sarah Palin) push.

to shoot through the gun ports on their 7 ton armored MRAP vehicles. They are awesome, soon rolling down your street to dispatch a bag guy.

It's mine resistant in case it encounters any IEDs on it's way to "execute high-risk warrants including drug trafficking, smuggling, and contraband,"

It's got skids for agents to ride along the sides(Just like the gangsters in the 40's), seating for 10-11, firing ports, and enhanced protection from bullets.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/homeland-security-serving-warrants-mrap-2013-3#ixzz2NL1mnDS8

You can see it in all it's glory here.

As recognized by the /site/name in the url.

In other words, you linked to a personal blog repeating an already debunked rightwing conspiracy theory.

Good times.