tragic! heartbreaking, and completely preventable. Too fucking sad and far too many stories like this.

underling issue.......

Absent the guns, the man might've still been knifed. But the child would not have been. Clear?

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and apply it to firearms? It worked before.

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Do you really think that the 2nd amendment will be overturned in this country? Even if it actually was overturned and all guns became illegal, do you really think that would put an end to gun violence in this country?

more than willing to sell to criminals without asking.

Make straw purchasing or selling to anyone without a background check a crime worse than marijuana possession, and watch those sales drop.

most of Europe, the commonwealth countries, japan, Israel, etc. You know, all those wacky developed countries where incidents like this, along with gun violence overall, are much more rare, often basically nonexistant.

explicit target. Read the article.

Unless you go door to door for confiscation the gangs will always have guns. It would be more effective in Chicago to deal with the gangs... Just like the girl that performed at President Obama's inauguration... it was a gang shooting at the people who were standing next to her.

and without a gun, the baby wouldn't have been killed. It's much more difficult to accidentaly injure non-involved parties with a knife or baseball bat. It IS the guns. Guns are the problem. Without guns, there would be no gang shootings. There would be fights and stabbings...and a lot less innocent bystanders getting killed.

trouble the father was getting himself into... and exposing his family to.

Hopefully this will be a wake up call and he will change his ways..... According to the article this was not the first time he was shot at...

It wasn't a random shooting... and not the first time either.

gangs and other criminal wont follow the law and it will be just like the prohibition...

A 20 year mandatory MINIMUM, they might think twice. And that wouldn't just apply to the gangs either. It CAN be done.

So the baby's father is an asshole? does that mean because he's involved in crime the child is expendable? Blame the father, fine, and now his baby's dead. Next time it'll be the next door neighbors. Guns don't discriminate, and are less accurate and more deadly than knives.

But just one you think can never be solved.

It's like malaria; first you determine what's killing people, then you fashion a vaccine. You don't ignore malaria simply because you don't yet know how to eradicate it.

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Exactly as the Japanese have learned with all their daily gun violence(their rate of gun homicide is less than 1/100th of the US rate, despite the yakuzka ).

As has the UK, home of a confluence of gang activity from all over the world (Its double the japanese rate, still just barely over 1/100th of the US rate.)

Then there is Hong Kong, where we all know crime and gangs (triads) are just unheard of (less than 1/20th the us rate)

And Serbia, with the Serbian Mafia, has been completely overrun by guns in the hands of gangs (1/5th the US rate)

And of course there's Canada. They have virtually the same gangs we here in the US have. Except their gang bangers get free health care. Their gun homicide rate is approximately 1/6th the US rate. And given the ease of buying a gun in the US, along with the ease of driving one across the border.. no airport x-rays in your own car.. we know that its very simple for a Canadian gang to get a gun. Too bad there's nothing that can stop them from shooting up the place, or even slow the frequency of such things.

Absent the gang activity, lifestyle, the man wouldn't have been targeted to begin with; be it from someone wielding a gun or a knife.

And, it's a safe bet that dad knows, or has a pretty good idea, whom the attacker is,
but he'll remain silent due to the 'gang, street code'. Clear?

A hail of hammers?

If there were no guns, an infant would still be alive.

grew on trees we would all be rich.

If money grew on trees, then something else would become the predominant currency. Lame argument.

and about as far fetched. it can't be done. even through confiscation there will still be guns on the street... guns are the problem... but they're not going away.

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we'll all just throw up our hands and not even try! Because it's LAME to even attempt it! Meanwhile, we'll just have to accept that this death of a beautiful baby is just the price we have to pay for freedums.

I'll never understand the gun culture in the US. Never.

i was hoping you wanted to discuss other ways of curbing the violence... but i can see you're more interesting in hysterics and hyperbole.

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Less guns.

can be summed up, for the most part, in two words:

Tiny dicks.

the laws don't keep bad people from having guns and never will. the only way to prevent this is to destroy ALL GUNS... and you can't... like it or not. it would be a wonderful world had guns never been invented or controlled from the outset... but reality is a bitch. all the laws in the world won't stop this...

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it's a lot easier to control access to guns if the whole country is on board. You can't make a tiny 'gun free' zone in a sea awash with guns and figure it'll work. It's a federal problem.

had it been that way in the past. but it wasn't. the guns are there. the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube. no amount of laws and no efforts at confiscation will fix that... even globally.

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Goddamn depressing to see that kind of attitude here.

since you are damn depressed and flinging hyperbolic shit all over the place i guess we can consider our 'conversation' at an end. maybe one day people will be interested in discussing plans that might have a fucking chance of succeeding... until then, bon chance!

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I have a few plans that work just great where I live. Too bad the US doesn't care enough to even try those kinds of rules.

or that piss poor negotiating tactic Democrats are known for - I haven't decided which. Bonne chance à toi même.

of anything has proven a failure and in reality equals no regulation at all. How can you regulate something that is prohibited?

Show me one prohibition in this country that actually works...

Tanks. other assorted military equipment.

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This M-47 has been beautifully preserved , is very complete both in & out with many accessories. It is Serial # 9992 Showing 2,289 miles on the odometer and 4,906 hours on the hour meter.
A beautiful & showy tank and a good buy at $275,000.00.
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if bombs were legal and available, you'd see one of those weekly or monthly. And I doubt if you bought one of those tanks and decided to go out to a field and started target practicing, it would be a-ok. Your post is ridiculous.

that making bombs is prohibited did not prevent OKC. We see world wide people are able to obtain or make bombs despite universal prohibitions.

Tanks (and other military gear) are not prohibited as you maintained. All it takes is money. To fire indiscriminately is not a-ok, but neither is it with firearms. Use is regulated, ownership is not.
Also if I have my tank and road rage around the Walmart parking lot, the police are going to have a swell time stopping me from making 102 metal pancakes- yet ownership is not prohibited

so not any more ridiculous than other claims

It would be a GREAT start.

life in prison isn't high enough? you want to regulate bullets? just like they regulated alcohol during prohibition is what you would see. ridiculousness, indeed.

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The answer IS to regulate bullets to the hilt and with the latest shortage of bullets affecting the military it should be regulated. You use the alcohol during prohibition argument and it is legal now with age limits, drinking driving limits that affect your insurance and driving privileges. Sure owning a gun can be legal but the amount of bullets you can buy should be regulated... they can look pretty on the wall or people can walk around with unloaded guns, fine by me.

If the killer used a knife or bat, it is more likely the child would be alive. If the killer used arson, maybe not.

Stopping the killers is another option. It has its own issues:

“Gun’s not the issue...Criminals are” People are so sick of that stupid reasoning...

please tell me how many guns cause crimes without a criminal being involved. No need to be precise, round figures will suffice.

criminal involved. BTW when is the sentencing, I missed the trial...

Zimmerman wasn't a criminal till he pulled the trigger. Just another yahoo needing a gun.

he should have been a criminal, but was protected by "connections"

I know my hopes for what the jury finds, but evidence may change my mind. I wouldn't bet on it though.

from walking into a grade school and slaughtering kids rather than making sure that there isn't
a gun around in the first place. Minds are complex my friend, fucking pieces of metal are not!!

and a gun free world is a beautiful ideal but is not going to happen. There are innumerable ways to kill, a gun being only one - though very efficient- form. People use knives, rope, fire, poison, bombs, airplanes, their hands...

No getting into peoples heads to discover why some will kill is not easy. Most solutions to complex problems are not easy.
Not to say all attempts to control guns are useless- just recognize they are not the final answer.

don’t you think??

is rather difficult. If a resource is completely expended you really have no choice. If fossil fuels were as plentiful as sunlight would we ever consider using anything else.

I picture guns more akin to bows or wheel barrows- they will still be around centuries after having been rendered obsolete.

to change our habits. Come On!!!

I have wanted and advocated for clean energy and environmental care since grade school when the President shared a name with a car

We needed to start weaning off fossil fuels probably twenty-five years ago from an environmental standpoint. Some day the finite supply will run out.

I hope we will change our selves long before then. I do not fear for the earth in the long term. It has an amazing ability to change and overcome damage. The problem is we may not recognize the planet after it recovers from human damage and we may not be here to see it.

has no credibility when they complain about the violence when they turn a blind eye to it.

who refuse to cooperate.....

someone had to see it.


The police have mentioned that no one has come forward...

and seeing well enough to identify someone.

Who pray tell in this story complained about violence and then turned a blind eye? Profile much?

I hear you loud and clear, good buddy.

Much as many people have no credibility when they imply that the random deaths of innocent children are merely part of the price we pay for the 2nd Amendment.

tolerated any more.
Why they were allowed to escalate to this point is beyond me.
Oh wait! That's right, it wasn't happening in a rich white area.

RIP Jonylah

And I see the picture, and I'm just stunned that I have anyone to argue against me on this issue.

That was an accident. They were intending to shoot the father, who we've been assured is almost certainly a criminal himself.

Perhaps the shooters felt they were defending themselves and their property. Why do you want to take their guns away based on an accident?

Why are you not crowing for their gun rights?

...he had broken no law before firing on that minivan. Law-abiding gun owner.

What of his rights? I assume you defend those as well?

I like it. But I don't think of the ejaculation fantasies of gun nuts as cuddling.