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Scout

(8,624 posts)
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:38 PM Mar 2013

Does your M.D. know enough about nutrition to properly advise you?

I don't believe the average M.D. does know much about nutrition. After discussions lately and seemingly forever on DU about obesity and health, I thought I would see what I could find besides my belief about M.D.s and nutrition.


Here's the most recent links I found a just a quick google search:
http://www.aafp.org/online/en/home/publications/news/news-now/resident-student-focus/20101020nutritioneduc.html
Researchers in the department of nutrition at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, or UNC, said in the study that medical schools are falling far short of providing adequate training. Few medical schools incorporate 25 hours of nutrition instruction in the undergraduate curriculum, the minimum that was recommended by the National Academy of Sciences in 1985.


http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/12/nutrition-taught-medical-school.html
Nutrition is, and will continue to be, a controversial and evolving aspect of medicine – but I also consider it to be one of the most fundamental. So, why then, don’t doctors know about nutrition? Because no one is teaching us. The approximate time devoted to nutrition science over the first two years of my medical education is a measly 6 hours – that’s only two hours more than an average day of lectures at my institution.
A 1985 report commissioned by the National Research Council concluded the following:

“The teaching of nutrition in most U.S. medical schools is inadequate. . . All students should be given a course or its equivalent in the fundamentals of nutrition during the same years in which other basic sciences are offered.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/health/16chen.html?_r=0
One day I mentioned this uncomfortable situation to another young doctor. “Just consult the dietitians if you have a problem,” she said after listening to my confession. “They’ll take care of it.” She paused for a moment, looked suspiciously around the nursing station, then leaned over and whispered, “I know we’re supposed to know about nutrition and diet, but none of us really does.”


http://tobyamidornutrition.com/2011/12/should-you-take-nutrition-advice-from-your-doctor/
A 2006 study in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition determined how much nutrition education was really provided in medical schools. The results found that 93% of the medical schools surveyed require some form of nutrition education but only 32% require a separate nutrition course. The study also revealed that medical students received an average of 23.9 hours of nutrition instruction during medical school and only 38% of the schools surveyed made it mandatory to take the minimum 25 hours of nutrition education recommended by the National Academy of Sciences. What’s more, more instructors (88%) indicated a need for more nutrition education at their school.



I don't have time right now to background check all the sources (on break at work!), sorry. I would be happy for more recent information than what I found. Especially if it shows that yes indeedy, M.D.s are now receiving adequate or more than adequate education in nutrition.

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Does your M.D. know enough about nutrition to properly advise you? (Original Post) Scout Mar 2013 OP
Fortunately, mine do. My Primary care provider cali Mar 2013 #1
The better question is this - does your physician recognize when nutrition is an cbayer Mar 2013 #2
I'd rather my MD know about medicine Patiod Mar 2013 #4
Excellent points. cbayer Mar 2013 #7
I work out every day fitman Mar 2013 #3
Education regarding nutrition is not a priority in our current system siligut Mar 2013 #5
Thanks, good info. MDs shouldn't be the primary contact for health care. postulater Mar 2013 #6
 

cali

(114,904 posts)
1. Fortunately, mine do. My Primary care provider
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:40 PM
Mar 2013

sure does and I was pleasantly surprised that my pain specialist knows quite a bit about it.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. The better question is this - does your physician recognize when nutrition is an
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:42 PM
Mar 2013

issue and have appropriate referral sources when the need is identified?

Nutrition education is low on the list of things taught in medical school, but a good physician knows when to refer to a nutritionist. Teaching more nutrition in medical school is not the answer, imo.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
4. I'd rather my MD know about medicine
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:07 PM
Mar 2013

and refer me if I'm overweight, diabetic or pre-diabetic.

In an ideal world, they would be experts, since diet and exercise are keys to health.

But in the Real World, where doctor appointments are 10 minutes, a lifestyle consultation just isn't going to happen, even if you're diagnosed with diabetes.

One other complication to this issue is physician frustration. Even when doctors DO understand nutrition and exercise, patients want to eat what they want.

Do you know how many treatment plans start with: "change diet and exercise, and if there's no improvement, then prescribe X"? Doctors DO recommend changes all the time, and send patients home with material about diets and exercise regimens to help with high cholesterol or blood pressure or pre-diabetes. But the percentage of people who follow them? Doctors guess <10%.

One doctor told me that she paints a graphic portrait of erectile dysfunction for her male diabetics in an effort to get them to eat better and exercise more, but a huge percent still want to eat what they want and not exercise.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
7. Excellent points.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:33 PM
Mar 2013

Seeing that someone has the need for guidance on nutrition and excercise is not that hard. Convincing them to do it is much, much harder.

Part of the issue may be the lack of reimbursement for providing such lifestyle counseling services. If no one is going to pay for it, primary care physicians are going to have difficulty finding a way to fund it.

 

fitman

(482 posts)
3. I work out every day
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:53 PM
Mar 2013

and really watch what I eat and read everything I can on nutrition-for 20 years now.

I know for a fact I know way more than most doctors regarding nutrition and being healthy in general-what works and what does not.

We associate with 3 doctors and they are not that knowledegable on the subject...I'm trying not to say this in a bragging way and not faulting their smarts(they are way smarter than me) but they just don't have the time to keep up with the subject and most don't discuss this with their patients in detail..easier to just write a pill r/x.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
5. Education regarding nutrition is not a priority in our current system
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:10 PM
Mar 2013

Too much money to be made off of sick people. Hopefully it is improving due to the diabetes II epidemic and pressure from the people who value health over easy profit.

postulater

(5,075 posts)
6. Thanks, good info. MDs shouldn't be the primary contact for health care.
Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:24 PM
Mar 2013

Health is: "A state of optimal physical, mental and social well-being, and not merely the absence of disease and infirmity."

MDs are needed to handle the disease and infirmity part of the health definition. But most 'health' problems are really related to NON-optimal physical, mental or social well-being. MDs are not needed for this and so they are not even trained for this.

The solution to our 'health' crisis is not to train more MDs in nutrition, they are better left to the disease end of care.

Anybody who wants to help in people's health should not plan on doing it as an MD.

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