I am not a Catholic, and I find your post offensive.

Who is it that has a hard over this issue? I don't think Tweetie is alone.

people are stopping to say how they don't care and express their hatred of Catholics.
(No not the Church, there are several quite specific ones who make it clear they mean all Catholics)

Hate is progressive

it seems acceptable to slander Christians and Christianity. If the same were done to other religions, people would be all over them like white on rice.

"White on rice" is a commonly used phrase to denigrate Asian-Americans. Why you felt it was okay to use such a term is a shame.

I think it is not acceptable to "slander" Christians here on DU. It is, however, acceptable to point out the rank hypercritical nature of people who claim to be "Christian" and yet they are more than happy to condemn others for the same acts which they commit. Let me be clear about that. The right reverend who condemned homosexuals very publicly yet he was happy to have sexual relationships with other men and to feel free to snort up meth was, and is, a hypocrite.

I've never EVER heard that phrase in any way denigrating Asian-Americans. Not in any context close to that.

Would love to see anything that backs that assertion up.

I just googled it out of curiosity. Couldn't find a thing referencing it as you say.

Suggesting that is denigrating Asian Americans is kind of strange.

used that phrase before. I used it purposely however because it is not a ra ist term. From urban dictionary:

"To be on or close to something.

the word does not carry any racist connotations, and refers strictly to the foodstuff "rice", which is in fact entirely white."

White rice is bleach white. I was going to use "stink on shit" but came up with a non vulgar term.

I stand by my assertation that it is somehow acceptable to say smack about Christianity and is not acceptable to do the same with other religions. I am not defending the actions of those that break the law. I am not even Catholic.

For what it's worth, churches, mosques, synigogs, temples, halls, and all other places of worship have hypocrites, as do all secular locations.

It's just as acceptable to me to bash Islam or Judaism as it is Christianity.

critical of Muslims and then getting accused of being racist. On the other hand, I have seen people being accused of being anti-semiites. I don't often see people being criticized on these general threads for being anti-Christian. I mostly see people chiming in with their own anti-Christian thoughts.

seeing any bashing of Judaism and/or Islam on DU!

an Agnostic/Atheist and I also find it offensive.

I don't care what people believe as long as they don't try to run my life based on their beliefs.

Too bad we don't seem to have many more like you.

Do you support same sex marriage? That is, according to him, the work of the devil manifest through you.
How do you feel about other issues, like contraceptives or abortion? He wants to ban those.

There are quite a lot of things this man wants to run in YOUR life, and mine, and everyone elses, whether members of his church or not.

If you aren't a Catholic, you only have the knuckledraggers in Congress to worry about.

on the bench... (Not all necessarily knuckle-draggers, of course)


As a non-Catholic, I still worry about their influence, predicated upon their dogma.

a Catholic or an atheist?

women's access to contraception and abortion and deny gays the right to marry, right? They're trying to run your life, n'est ce pas?

I don't see any hate. I see an opinion.

I fail to see any hate in the post. Perhaps you can point out such a thing to clarify for me. Your opinion is really unfounded.

So you may not agree with the post. That's fine. You should try to rebut the post in a relevant manner and not throw out useless aspersions.

There is nothing in that POS OP to rebut. It's all backhanded insults and weak cynicism.

Pathetic in that many of these same people will be begging Catholics of all ethnicities to vote for our party in the next election.

Why?

Let the Catholics empirically prove their claims about life and eternity. Otherwise, it's a silly cult with Bronze Age morals.

Save humanity from those who use ancient fictions to maintain their power.

Try again.

However, the OP was lace with advectives and insults, and facts were hard to find.

What's inaccurate about the OP?

Come to think of it, you are absolutely correct! There is not one damned thing in the OP that is not an indisputable fact. Every word is based on solid evidence and not one ounce of opinion.

Thank you so much for opening my eyes.

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Nice job. Er...

You, too?

If you wish to dispute the OP then please feel free to do so. However, just throwing out a comment without any real dispute is not very productive.

I assume a jury has already been called.

As a non-Catholic, I say that this post is highly offensive!
































just kidding. I'm sure some will take this as a great, personal insult and attack on their character.
And your post will linked to ad nauseum as proof that Catholics are persecuted.

Try to be decent human being and keep it contained to the Catholic Church, o enlightened one.

He wants Obama to go over to Rome for the coronation.

So they have to be natural by fawning all over him.

He's kind of cute when he jumps up and down in his seat like that. (In other words, don't take Tweety too seriously.)

Let's try to respect others first. The debates over theology are a waste of time.

What a shitty ethics you have.

I most certainly question those of a man that would proclaim the struggle for civil rights 'the work of the devil'.

Pardon me if I'm not ashamed of mine, if mine led me to recognizing him in that light.

First and foremost I am an American woman. Also, Christians gave up burning my kind at the stake several centuries ago.

In this country, our own home-grown Talibornagains are a far greater political threat to non-Christians, women, and gays than the Roman Catholic Church is. As far as the RCC institution goes though, I do want offenders to be prosecuted in secular courts to the fullest extent of our secular laws, no exceptions.

in saying their religious beliefs guide their decisions.

How you can imagine that the RCC isn't a great threat to women, gays and non-Catholics is beyond me, when the very court that has final say over the laws of this land is populated by Catholics.

Remember who appointed the others, and vote accordingly in 2014.

The list of social-justice Catholics in the US is a long one.

Thank you for the example that an 'attack' on the Pope's views and edicts, (in his former position) and the official church dogma, is not necessarily an attack on all Catholics.

Probably not what you were going for, but thank you.

I imagine it's rather convenient to predicate one's behavior on the behavior of a perceive opponent.

Outright stated in plain daylight for all to see.

I cannot reconcile outright bigotry with 'respect', in the name of what.. positive discourse? I do not tread lightly in the presence of bigotry. It is not in my nature. I don't think it's a bad thing. I wouldn't expect you to respect me, if I uttered something like this new Pope has, in reference to same sex marriage. It's bigotry. There's no other way to describe it.

Do you expect me to be tolerant of bigotry? Is that what you ask of me?

I agree with everything. You could have left out the Tweety stuff though.

you agree with them or not.

You want people to respect an institution that has systematically and methodically repressed women, gay people, and anyone who doesn't fall into line with their authoritarian, ignorant, outdated beliefs?

Why don't you hold your breath while you're waiting for that. Because I am NEVER going to "respect" any such repugnant institution.

Gay marriage is a "machination of the Father of Lies." Adoption by gay people is discrimination against children. Words of wisdom from the new Pope who distanced himself from the liberation theology movement (the priests and nuns who actively opposed dictators and took risks for social justice). Cristina Kirchner, President of Argentina, said the Catholic Church under his leadership in the country was reminiscent of "medieval times and the inquisition."

"As a champion of the poor and the most vulnerable among us, he carries forth the message of love and compassion that has inspired the world for more than two thousand years -- that in each other we see the face of God."

I am not a believer, btw.

of the poor. This is the typical Catholic church 1% screwing the starving. Drop them a few crumbs and indoctrinate them into the biggest corporation in the world. Just like an international Republican party.

I agnostic and I have a lot with how the Catholic Church is run. But that doesn't mean I go around belittling all Catholics. I was a field organizer on a congressional race in 2012 some my best volunteers were Catholic. Those people you hate worked hard to get Democrats elected so think about that next time you want to demean people.

And if I am offended by an anti-Catholic post, you know it's over the top.

It's time to stop painting people who don't buy into religion as somehow less human than others.

The OP was not celebratory, it was insulting.

And to see the whole world falling all over itself, watching.

There is nothing but drama in an aim for power there. If you can't figure out why it offends many of us, then you're not paying attention.

Murder, pillage, rape, torture, exile, among other things. That, boyo, is REAL harm. The notion that somehow you, who are only offended that the religious do not share your worldview, have a right to be more offended at the Church than myself and those who have truly suffered under the atrocities commited by the Catholic Church (you know, Jews, Women, Moslems, Scientists, and so on) is beyond laughable.

It is a mockery of those whom have truly been assaulted by this organization for you to claim some sort of "more-wounded-than-thou" status.

Calling criticism mockery is just plain dishonest, btw.

"New Pope Elected: Centuries Of Make-Believe (Religion) Reaffirmed For The Masses
And, they all get to wear party dresses!

I understand Tweety has a raging boner on right now on MSNBC. "

Then perhaps you've a point. I don't think it deserves such a title, but you're entitled to your opinion, as are we all.

I see it as abusive, sophomoric balderdash. Continue to defend such tripe ad nauseum if you like, but I doubt you'll be convincing much of anyone.

Try again.

You just threw a tantrum, because your nonsense was shown to you.

Cut the crap and grow up.

and I can't tell you what I think of you because my post would not stand.

Would you mind sharing?

Lots of people saying you are being hateful or disrespectful, but I see no hate, just a rational opinion with little bit of tongue in cheek jab, certainly nothing acidic or hateful. As for respect... honestly I have a hard time understanding why one should tone down criticism of an institution such as the Catholic Church. Your criticism is light in comparison to what it deserves, that's respect enough to me.

But religion seems to have this certain privileged status even here on DU.

I honestly see no reason any liberal of any sort would want to congratulate others or celebrate a new Pope of the Catholic church, it is fundamentally opposed to so many values we hold. I can see why people are interested in it, considering how unfortunately large of an impact the church still has.

It would be like Skinner starting a thread congratulating conservatives about the new head of CPAC or Americans for Prosperity, and criticism being shot down as "disrespectful" and "hateful".

Their belief system is still fundamentally opposed to mine on many levels, and even their approach to poverty is fundamentally opposed, whatever good works they may individually do.

Mother Teresa was a vile person in a lot of ways, and doing good deeds with the expectation of eternal rewards or fear of eternal damnation and only at the insistence of an all-powerful being all forms the basis of a belief system that at its core is rotten and opposed to progressive and liberal ideals, IMHO.

This belief system has it that the world will one day end with an apocolypse, so the role of "charity" is merely to do God's work, not to improve the lives of people permanently or significantly going forward. And this same belief system justifies all of the ignorance and hate and perpetuates harm of all sorts.

I agree with libertarians on certain policies for example, like legalizing drugs, but the "why" is completely different, and is incredibly important.