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A HERETIC I AM

(24,373 posts)
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 02:34 PM Mar 2013

FAA approves Boeing's 787 battery certification plan.

The US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has approved Boeing's proposal to fix battery issues on the 787 Dreamliner, allowing the airframer to conduct limited test flights on two aircraft even as a safety investigation continues.

Boeing would be required to conduct "extensive testing and analysis to demonstrate compliance" with safety regulations, says the FAA today, almost two months after it grounded the 787 fleet on 16 January.

"This comprehensive series of tests will show us whether the proposed battery improvements will work as designed," says US Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. "We won't allow the plane to return to service unless we're satisfied that the new design ensures the safety of the aircraft and its passengers."

Boeing's proposal involves three layers of protection to prevent overheating in the lithium-ion batteries that power the 787's auxiliary power unit: improved separation between the battery cells, installing ceramic-plated spacers between each of the cells and the addition of a containment and venting system so smoke cannot enter the passenger cabin.

"We are confident the plan we approved today includes all the right elements to conduct a comprehensive evaluation of the battery system redesign," says FAA administrator Michael Huerta. "Today's announcement starts a testing process which will demonstrate whether the proposed fix will work as designed."

The FAA says Boeing's proposal would require the airframer to pass a series of tests before the 787 is returned to service.



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FAA approves Boeing's 787 battery certification plan. (Original Post) A HERETIC I AM Mar 2013 OP
If I understand it correctly BlueStreak Mar 2013 #1
That's why i bolded the text that says... A HERETIC I AM Mar 2013 #2
How long is "a ways"? KamaAina Mar 2013 #4
It looks like this is a fast tracker BlueStreak Mar 2013 #5
I agree, its like they are putting a wood stove and a chimney XRubicon Mar 2013 #3
 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
1. If I understand it correctly
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 03:34 PM
Mar 2013

Boeing choose to use a highly flammable battery chemistry that the auto industry rejected for that same reason. And this "fix" does nothing to reduce the probability of fire. It just builds a more hardened casing that might survive the fire better.

If that is correct, it seems insane. How could something be too risky for a car that a person can immediately pull over to the side of the road, but it is OK for a plane that may need 60 minutes to dump fuel and get to the nearest airport that can land a plane as big as a 787?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,373 posts)
2. That's why i bolded the text that says...
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 03:50 PM
Mar 2013

"starts a testing process"

They have a ways to go yet before those aircraft get their airworthiness certificates back.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
4. How long is "a ways"?
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 04:02 PM
Mar 2013

After several years, San Jose finally got a nonstop to Tokyo, on All Nippon Airways. Flying the 787.

It lasted for four days in January. Then the planes were grounded. The delegation of local business leaders that came over on the inaugural flight were stranded in Tokyo and eventually had to fly back to San Francisco.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
5. It looks like this is a fast tracker
Fri Mar 15, 2013, 04:20 PM
Mar 2013

I bet they will be flying scheduled routes before the end of April.

Lots of money involved, and that's why they threw together this half-assed response that they don't even say is a solution. It seems to me the right answer is to replace those batteries with a more proven product. The auto industry has all kinds of exotic battery packages in various stages of testing, but they aren't willing to commit them to production yet. Why should we be doing our advanced battery research at 40,000 feet with 250 lives at risk?

http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/21153-sufiy/1516701-tesla-s-musk-calls-boeing-787-dreamliner-lithium-batteries-fundamentally-unsafe

http://lithiuminvestingnews.com/6894/lithium-manganese-batteries-electric-vehicles-boeing-dreamliner-787/

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