I say that in the southern sense.

Totally in the Southern way.

"The women that we feature in the magazine are ornamental."

It's Esquire...

That's show business.

"Boys will be boys"?

Objectifying women is never acceptable.

Then, according to your analogy, all men are 'naturally' prone to view women in a magazine as ornaments?

Please help me understand your position re: women as ornaments.

This thread isn't about all men; it's about a silly little magazine and what it does to make a buck. Which is why the thread title sucks.

Or, do you resort to personal attacks when you cannot defend your position?

(Sexism is ugly, even in its 'prettiest' guises.)

Except for the last 10,000 years or so, alas.

Nice to see Esquire still aiming directly for the well-dressed Cro Magnon demographic.

and we all -- both female and male -- suffer the consequences of this arbitrary socio-political construct.

I remember a key conversation I had with a gay family member who insisted that his partner(s) would have to be subservient to him, and acknowledge him as titular head of their household. I asked him if he understood that relegating an intimate to a "less than" position might cause him to feel less respect for that individual, and -- over time -- less of an intimate connection. He argued vociferously, but -- within a short while -- had ended the relationship because he "couldn't respect" his former partner.

I have seen too many intimate relationships fail when one partner imposes inequality in the relationship. That this is more commonly the behavior of men makes it no less damaging to us all.

The Esquire editor is quoted in the article saying that women are "there to be beautiful objects."

That cut of his jacket is for a trimmer man, and his tie is like a neon sign lighting the way to a restaurant named "Tu Chin" .

/sarcasm

That other guy's days are numbered.

nt

They think of everything as meat, models are just skeletal clothes hangers and slaves (both female and male )
Esquire maybe appeals to young yuppie wanna be guys trying to find trends to get them laid or older more desperate guys trying to pick out lame life style hints . that's my 3 cents worth

nt

All this can be yours for the price of a magazine.

And everything we advertise.

Always was, will continue to be.

No, actually, Esquire once was a major literary mag!

...And the rest.

In fact most of the time you'd hardly see any women inside the pages at all, aside from the advertisements...

But when Maxim and similar publications came along in the late 90s with page after page of cheesecake and stories catering to guys and brahs instead of gentlemen, they started flying off the newsstands and the landscape changed forever....

admit what we all know.

Advertising is all about selling stuff, including people. It's amazingly easy to get men to look at pictures of women, especially with decorative or no clothes on. One suspects that this has something to do with evolution and us being sort of big apes.

they wouldn't make my tree fall over when I hung them up for Christmas.

Honestly, if you place one on either side of the tree, they'll balance perfectly.

Duh!

(sorry about that one)