Just my most humble opinion!

I wish the video was better, but one could still see what happened.

This ain't an Oi band, you slapheaded peckerwood!

Cali, you SHOULD laugh. That's fucking hilarious.

Oi is just street (or hooligan) punk. Nothing necessarily racist with Oi bands. Take the Cockney Rejects, for example.

And come to think of it, i guess it was a bass guitar going through his head, huh?

They're mostly bluster. My friend did get stabbed by a Hammer Skin, though. He was alright.

A bass guitar.

I used to roll with some very serious business SHARP Skinheads that really didn't like having a dialog with the Nazi Skins (referred to as Boneheads) at all. Not a word would be uttered, just fists unleashed.

Good times, good times.

I like the band but I hope he gets arrested for the assault.

If you don't want people on your stage doing Nazi salutes then do not play a song where the band does NAZI SALUTES in the video.

2:30 for the impatient

Consider it stopping incitement.

Who would be justified to use violence against you?

I guess they'd be justified in their minds. I'm okay with that.

Maybe you're arguing with a phantom?

Ennui, niche musical tastes, self-satisfaction...

Mostly, wrong, but your assumptions, nonetheless.

I guess you'd think Howard Zinn or Leo Tolstoy as "hipsters" with "niche musical tastes" and "self-satisfaction?"

Perhaps, Orwell, Hemingway, Emma Goldman, Prince Kropotkin, Ralph Waldo Emerson?

Oh, you were making assumptions that anarchists were just hipsters. I guess you're just pickin' a fight. How ironic.



You do have a case for Thoreau, though.

Edit: Not to mention that I have no idea why you decided to introduce a non sequitur about anarchists' lifestyle. First straw men, now non sequiturs. What else?

I'll take non-sequiturs for $2000, Alex.

Alex: "Here's the clue:" "Nuclear Unicorn offered this as a rejoinder to Fantastic Anarchist's post about non sequiturs."

Fantastic Anarchist: "What is 'I'm glad you like some people', Alex?"

Alex: "Yes, pick again."

They're not prophets from On High.

It was in your response to your rather lousy assumptions about anarchists in general. I just happened to name a few (though not conclusive) who didn't fit your generalization.

You were caught on it, and now you're still coming at me with yet another straw man.

I'm entertained, are you?

I suggest reading about a subject before making generalizations. I'd also not put words in other people's mouths when trying to debate them, but that's just me. You are certainly welcome to your own way of arguing your case, however much of a failure that may be.

Just because I'm feeling rather generous, I'll provide a link to Daniel Guerin's Anarchism: From Theory to Practice[link:http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/daniel-guerin-anarchism-from-theory-to-practice| in the hopes that you may clarify your preconceived notions about such a diverse philosophy as anarchism.

http://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/daniel-guerin-anarchism-from-theory-to-practice

Farewell.

One, hair.

Two, there's a difference between a fist-thrust...

When it comes to fascists, I'm not particularly non-violent.

...that's a bit of a stretch, don't you think? Keep it to the subject at hand, and cut the broad accusations. While I don't necessarily agree that violence is a good first option, I can sympathize in this case.

My patience with neo-nazies is very short. I guess I picked that up from my WWII generation father. One of the most non-violent, easy going individuals I've ever known, but two things would really set him off. Neo nazis, particularly in this country, and Holocaust deniers. He'd seen Buchenwald first hand and knocked heads with member of the Waffen SS on several occasions from '44 to '45. He absolutely, unequivocally hated, to the point of extreme physical violence, anything tied to Nazism. So if he were alive and on that stage, he would have knocked the crap out that idiot. Some things are just beyond the pale.

socialist_in_TN wrote, "When it comes to fascists, I'm not particularly non-violent."

That means he's particularly violent when it comes to fascists. So I asked how often this occurred. That is all. Maybe he's beaten-up a hundred neo-National Socialists. Maybe he's only beaten-up one. Maybe none; I don't know, that's why I asked. Of course if the number is greater than zero I would want to make certain he actually has a good grasp of what a fascist is while assuring it isnt just some prejorative assigned to people he happens to not like (Which is what Nazis did, which is what makes them so morally repugnant). If the number is zero, then it only looks like so much false bravado.

For someone cautioning against making broad accusations your lecture about the evils of National Socialism seems to imply I either unaware or unopposed. I am neither. I'm very much opposed to unprovoked violence (Hence, my post) and unopposed to provoked violence. You do our dialogue a disservice when you act as if I am giving fascism a free pass.

Personally, I'd counsel caution with regards to the DKM incident. People are leaping with joy over someone being assaulted for a hand gesture may be in for a shock if it turns out the person Mr. Casey hit has no history of affiliation or sympathy with neo-Nazis. At this early in the reporting it is entirely possible the concert-goer was just some guy making a gesture without concern for its significance. If this is a case of mere stupidity it may be grating but it's not violence-worthy.

I haven't ever started anything with anybody, but I have held off violence in the past, even in self defense, when it would have been against somebody totally outclassed by myself. With a fascist I wouldn't. Take that for whatever you will.

You can be "opposed" to violence, provoked or unprovoked, against fascists or by fascists all you want, but that won't change the fact that fascists ARE violent and wouldn't hesitate to engage in violence against YOU if you don't fit their narrow racial or political parameters. Ergo, their very EXISTENCE is an assault to some and I'm one of them.

And yes, this guy could be just an idiot that didn't know what he was doing. Now maybe he'll learn what he did and NOT DO IT ANY MORE! I don't like pseudo fascists either. They act as apologists and stalking horses for the real thing as far as I'm concerned.

n.t

He got what he deserved.

Don't piss off the Irish especially if they are Boston Irish. A Boston Irish guy taught me street fighting moves when I was a bartender.

Speak for yourself.

DKM and AC/DC?

chances are things won't go well for you.

You're not part of the show and as Pete Townshend warns you in Tommy (Sally Simpson) bad things can happen to you if you try to be part of the show.

There are countless videos of things going bad to fans running onto stages, sports fields, etc...

Not saying guy should get a beat down, but at the very least you tend to go to jail. Jumping on stage is not smart and I do not recommend it to anyone.

I've seen some pretty horrible things happen to people that go on field/on stage but rarely do they get head way on court. I have no idea why assault on the stage/field is different than assault anywhere else but it sometimes seems that is the way it works out.

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You've got to be kidding me.

a discussion with him. Inviting the crowd onto the stage and then triggering a brawl may be good showmanship, but it doesn't seem real wise...

Those that cannot give in to their innate feelings based on some feel-good textbook principle are commendable, but absurd.

Hey, I'm not always non-violent. There are a few things for which I believe some well-placed, savage violence is an appropriate response.

He should have kicked him in the balls. The band was obviously trying to have some fun with their audience by including them when a couple of idiots ruined it for everyone with their hate filled crap. Plus it's just plain disrespectful to the band to try to upstage them.

They are doing the "OI" chant that was STOLEN by Neo Nazis. The regular Skinheads tend to get pissed off, as indicated by the song "Nazi Punks fuck off" by the dead kennedys.

Plus, they were on the soundtrack of The Departed---great movie!

nazi scumbags should receive wherever they go.

misogynist, racist white trash. They hurt people they don't like, do stuff like running off people of color with dogs and other anti-social acts of violence.

very pro-union too. They did free shows in Wisconsin for pro-union people during the struggles with Scott Walker. Recently in Philly the venue they were gonna play at had striking stage crew people. They worked with the Union to to resolve things. All in all a great bunch of guys, even if they are rabid Bruins fans. 'The Worker's Song', 'Sing Loud, Sing Proud', 'Take 'Em Down', and many others are all great Union anthems. I love this band. Truly a band you can be happy that your kids are listening to.

he's a very nice guy.

I am not surprised at this. they are definitely a class act.

of Propaghandi has done the same. this song pretty much sums it people feels about these clowns. (cant get the embeded to work)

The Only Good Fascist is a Very Dead Fascist Lyrics - Propagandhi

Swastikas and Klan-robes
Sexist, racist, homophobes
Aryan-Nations and Hammerskins
you can wear my nuts
on your nazi chins
I love a man in uniform
just what exactly are
the great historical
accomplishments of "your" race
that make you proud to be white
Capitalism? Slavery? Genocide? Sitcoms?
This is your fucking white-history, my "friend"
So why don't we start making a history
worth being proud of
and start fighting the real fucking enemy Swastikas and Klan-robes
Sexist, racist, homophobes
This one's for the "Master Race"
my brown-power ass
in your white-power face
Kill them all
and let a Norse God sort 'em out



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qcGgI43J5mY

The skinhead's skull looked pretty solid...

"My hero as I became older was the great Leo Fender because he made one of the first guitars to hold up in a bar fight." - Charlie Deal

Thanks...

My Fender basses have been useful defensive weapons at a few gigs.

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that the performance had to be interrupted for that.

what did he think was going to happen?

DKM.

That's just damn funny. Way to go Ken Casey.

Using your freedom of speech without regard to the sentiments of your audience can result in an ass-kicking, moral justification or lack thereof notwithstanding.

nt.

... but bears repeating!

That's what he deserves for expressing that murderous ideology.

I explicitly endorse violence against those fuckers.

But I may have to catch them in concert the next time they come into town.

that's kinda odd.

WTG Ken!

Although in the video it looks like he's just taking the bass off to attend to business.

This makes me like the song and band even more!

Altho, glad he did it.

You cannot attack a fan because they can sue, and many fans have no fing clue that what they do is offensive.

THAT BEING SAID, allow me to explain the song "Nazi Punks fuck off" by the Dead kennedys.

Skinheads did NOT start off as nazi, but a small element decided they would take over. They used violence, and if a club told them to tone things down, they would try to start fights, trash the venue, and ensure that anyone that did not kowtow to them got put out of buisness. Again, Fascists do not want to be reasoned with, they do not want coexistence, they want kowtowing or death, it is true for the GOP, true of the skinheads.

Of course, some non nazis fought back, and if I may paraphrase the way someone like Pub Subgenis might explain it; the authorities would blame the people that got hit (the Victims) , and the bullies would laugh as they got EXACTLY what they wanted: the marginalization of those they hated.

The point is, the fascists know that for all their trappings, those in power will lean their way. There will be a sick sort of covert war, as those in power get their jollies knowing that someone they hate got beat up. Remember how many suburban types cheered geroge Zimmerman for shooting Trayvon Martin? Remember how many Gun nuts crawled out to support 'stand your ground" while reassuring us they really were liberals and not racists? Since th Fascists know that those they fight are not mounred, they can escalte to violence with impunity, and that is where some of us will,like it or not, need to defend ourselves.

Whether you are Barack Obama dealing with congress, or a kid at a concert about to be "bashed", there comes a point where any kindness you over will be weakness; you will have to make the choice to either protect yourself, or get turned into their toy. Actually, we know toy is not what they would call you, but I do not want to contribute to "rape culture" even though the feminists know exactly what word the fascists love to call their victims. And yes,this is rape culture, because even though you draw a line, these fascists never take "NO" for an answer!

non-white-Protestant, or any white person deemed a "race traitor." Therefore others have a right to defend themselves against aggressive displays.

any other political group.

the concert being in a private space, concert personnel can kick the person out, but they don't have a legal right to assault him for the nazi salute unless he hit them first.

And this is one of those cases.

FUCK that Nazi fuck. If you see a Nazi, it's perfectly justifible to handle him in this way. He should count himself lucky he wasn't handled the way he would have been during WWII. Just my humble opinion.