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kairos12

(12,861 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:08 AM Mar 2013

Rich Moochers Destroying the Economy

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"In a previous column detailing the true “makers” and “takers” in America, I argued that the greatest threat to American capitalism today comes not from public taxation supporting public programs, but from “private taxation” in the form of excessive private “rents” that subsidize private sector parasites or “rentiers” (like landlords, lenders and providers of health insurance and healthcare). These excessive private taxes or rents are costs on productive enterprise that can be as crippling as excessive public taxation."

Article details who the real takers are.





http://www.salon.com/2013/03/22/how_rich_moochers_ruin_america/





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Rich Moochers Destroying the Economy (Original Post) kairos12 Mar 2013 OP
I believe the economy would chug along just fine even if we had no billionaires. baldguy Mar 2013 #1
I'm sorry but you are wrong. The economy would chug along A Simple Game Mar 2013 #5
Missing the problem point: not the wealth, the taxation escapism nightscanner59 Mar 2013 #12
Yes. Every entrepreneur building a company should shut it all down and liquidate its assets Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #11
Who said anything about punishing entrepreneurs? Who said anything about shutting companies down? baldguy Mar 2013 #14
OK. We would all be much, much better off if Amazon had never been started up. Nye Bevan Mar 2013 #19
If you really don't see the difference between book stores in thousands of communities A Simple Game Mar 2013 #21
Now Imagine theKed Mar 2013 #22
....... trusty elf Mar 2013 #2
Even with my current kidney stone I laughed out loud, thanks kairos12 Mar 2013 #4
In this context, "Feeding the slaves is breaking the budget." Coyotl Mar 2013 #8
AKA parasites pscot Mar 2013 #3
I would agree, they are the super predator parasites kairos12 Mar 2013 #6
Influence peddling is the same thing. Lobbyists are destroying the USA, special interest power Coyotl Mar 2013 #7
The bottom line: government welfare is fine for millionaires, but no one else AndyA Mar 2013 #9
Aided and abetted by congress and the Obama administration. forestpath Mar 2013 #10
And with a "ideology" called "neoliberalism" to give an "intellectual" facade duffyduff Mar 2013 #16
My poor boss is only a millionaire Smilo Mar 2013 #13
Dickens could write about your boss kairos12 Mar 2013 #17
They're not parasites, exactly. But they are sitting on mountains of money, doing nothing with it. reformist2 Mar 2013 #15
The New Feudal System HoosierCowboy Mar 2013 #18
S.E.R.F. kairos12 Mar 2013 #20
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
1. I believe the economy would chug along just fine even if we had no billionaires.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 08:54 AM
Mar 2013

OTOH It will die a slow, painful death if we lose a few middle class workers.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
5. I'm sorry but you are wrong. The economy would chug along
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:42 AM
Mar 2013

not just fine but much better if there were no billionaires.

All of that money would be in circulation by people that needed it and would spend it.

nightscanner59

(802 posts)
12. Missing the problem point: not the wealth, the taxation escapism
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:12 AM
Mar 2013

Economy would be thriving, infrastructure in good shape and building if the billionaires would stop crippling govt's ability to collect their fair share of the taxes. The real moochers in this country are the one's shipping billions overseas to tax-sheltered accounts, breaking down the whole system. Private enterprise alone cannot support our populace by competitive design, so the unemployed must be subsidized until employed again. Infrastructure supports business, but business is not supporting what supports it and makes it affordable for workers to thrive.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
11. Yes. Every entrepreneur building a company should shut it all down and liquidate its assets
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:02 AM
Mar 2013

as soon as his net worth hits $999.99 million. Then he should never start another company for the rest of his life, just in case his net worth passes the dreaded $1 billion. I mean, Jeff Bezos (founder of Amazon) is worth $25 billion. If only he had shut Amazon down and fired all its workers the second his net worth looked like it was going to pass $1 billion, we would all be much better off.

Who needs these so-called trained economists when we have threads like this on DU.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
14. Who said anything about punishing entrepreneurs? Who said anything about shutting companies down?
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:20 AM
Mar 2013

I'm taking about a very small number of parasites hogging the fruits of labor from the people who create it - the workers.

Jeff Bezos has $25 billion. How many local companies have been driven out of business because of him? Thousands? Tens of thousands? How many unemployed people has he created to get that $25 billion? Hundreds of thousands? How many of his own employees has he short-changed?

Billionaires are parasites who exist to drain the life out of the economy.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
19. OK. We would all be much, much better off if Amazon had never been started up.
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:34 AM
Mar 2013

Also, I am sure Barnes and Noble has put many independent, local booksellers out of business too. So we would all be better off if that company too had not been started. And Home Depot, I am sure, has caused many small local hardware stores to close down. So too bad that company ever got started up. And don't even get me started on CVS and Walgreens.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
21. If you really don't see the difference between book stores in thousands of communities
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 03:05 PM
Mar 2013

and Amazon sitting where ever it sits, perhaps you need to do a rethink.

But that isn't really the problem being discussed here. The problem is people sitting on money and how that contributes to the decline of society. Billionaires and banks are hoarding money, that hurts the rest of us. Companies used to put their profits back into the companies to increase their value, but they can't do that anymore because the greedy millionaire and billionaires need to have that wealth in their hands.

Please don't insult my intelligence by telling me they are the job creators.

theKed

(1,235 posts)
22. Now Imagine
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 03:34 PM
Mar 2013

If he had made $24 billion less personally, and allllllllllll that money distributed across the many thousands of people working for and connected to Amazon. Amazon still thrives...actually, that's not entirely honest. Amazon does fucking better than ever, because thousands of people have a fuckton more money they can spend.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
8. In this context, "Feeding the slaves is breaking the budget."
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:22 AM
Mar 2013

Same thing in present context, except the slaves house and feed themselves now.

kairos12

(12,861 posts)
6. I would agree, they are the super predator parasites
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 09:44 AM
Mar 2013

I am convinced after the next World War only roaches, gonorrhea, and this parasite class will survive. Tis a shame.

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
7. Influence peddling is the same thing. Lobbyists are destroying the USA, special interest power
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:20 AM
Mar 2013

like Big Oil is taking and not giving back equally.

Why did the Congress give away mineral rights to Big Oil? Influence peddling, campaign donations, plain and simple.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
9. The bottom line: government welfare is fine for millionaires, but no one else
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 10:27 AM
Mar 2013

If you have 3 or 4 houses, 10 cars, a boat, memberships at country clubs, and a fancy office, you deserve to pay less taxes, and receive subsidies (hand outs) from the government. But if you work full time, just trying to keep a roof over your family's head and food on the table, you deserve nothing, and should pay more taxes than the wealthy as a percentage of your income.

In what totally screwed up world does this happen? (One run by the millionaires, apparently.) We have the best government money can buy.

We need to take the money out of campaigns, mandate publicly funded campaigns, and sweep out the old millionaires from Congress to allow new people who know first hand what it's like to sacrifice and worry about how the bills are going to be paid.

Only then will things truly get better.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
16. And with a "ideology" called "neoliberalism" to give an "intellectual" facade
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:25 AM
Mar 2013

to this monstrous, sociopathic behavior.

As in the animal kingdom, the parasite eventually kills off the host and dies as a result.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
13. My poor boss is only a millionaire
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:20 AM
Mar 2013

so he has to mooch. i.e.

Of course, you have to employ the best accountants - and then claim what you pay them back on your taxes

Has rental properties around the country

Has businesses that would not work if not for the government handouts - to the owners (who object to having to be accountable to government)

Has a couple of trust funds

Doesn't "own" a car - they all belong to the corporation

Doesn't "own" a house - they (plural) belong to corporations and trusts

Invests in other properties/business ventures

Maxes out his (and his wife) contributions to all those retirement accounts

Almost everything he buys seems to have a "business" connotation to it - and, of course, using the corporation credit card helps.

He never pays any late fees - he just ignores them

Another thing millionaires are able to do, that the rest of us can't, is pay "cash" - and thereby receives preferential treatment, very inexpensive items/labor.

Oh and then he institutes pay cuts for nearly all employees.

Yes, my poor boss has to be a mooch - how else could he survive.




HoosierCowboy

(561 posts)
18. The New Feudal System
Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:29 AM
Mar 2013

Instead of castles and knights in armor, we have giant corporations and drones. The Lords and masters are now CEOs. The serfs are still serfs.
Very eye opening article that makes sense....

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