but even she knows at this point that her AWB and mag. limit is going to be defeated, she even admitted that she doesn't have 40 votes for it, which would mean that several Dems. have told her that they will oppose it.

It's all about standing up to a government hijacked by special interests, seems to me. You just have to keep working for what you believe is right. You have to keep standing in front of the tank. There is momentum now. They can't control the majority of us forever. Their position is morally untenable in the long run.

This article is about the current legalities. The point is that The Second Amendment right is not unlimited, under the law. As KOS says in the article--which goes more into it than the excerpt I posted:

[i]"Fellow-Cheney duck-hunter Scalia penned into current legislative stone:
The Second Amendment right is not unlimited."

This was stated in other media coverage of course. But the message is to not let up --from O'Donnell & this writer at KOS. I'm afraid people are losing heart and giving in to the NRA juggernaut again. We can't do that.

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Juggernaut =
Something, such as a belief or institution, that elicits blind and destructive devotion or to which people are ruthlessly sacrificed.

but it's hard to do when even Bloomberg has given up on the AWB.

....very encouraging.

Mayors Against Illegal Guns--they have more support now finally.

but the ads he's running in the 13 states say nothing about the AWB or mag limits, and he's running them in states that are very pro 2A and not very friendly to him.
Take for instance the state I live in, Nevada is very strong pro 2A, Dean Heller is pretty well liked, not up for re-election until 2018, and yet, Bloomberg is targeting him with one of the ads.
That's money that could be well spent somewhere else.

that are 50-50 on gun reform.

The new ads will air in 13 states the group believes are divided on gun control: Arkansas, Arizona, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Louisiana, Maine, New Hampshire, Nevada, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

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So you give people a different way of looking at it. An alternative to the extremist fears generated by weapons manufacturers.

the split isn't 50/50. Once you get out of Las Vegas, the rest of the state is pretty much rural, except for Washoe County which encompasses Reno and Carson City, both which are red.

And, like I said, the AWB and the mag limit won't even be mentioned in these ads.

maybe you can give us an insight into people's reactions.

I'm pretty active in our local party politics.

agree that the everything outside of Clark County is rural and very pro-gun.

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it's an independent city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carson_City,_Nevada

All the millions of other firearm-owning Democrats are obviously NRA-type, conservative gun-nuts.

A rational person can only wonder, why do the gun-nuts fall for the NRA propaganda?

Let me join you. We are certainly better than them.

/sarcasm off

Or that she's proposing banning any type of handgun.

Otherwise, you can keep your lying extremist RW bullshit propaganda to yourself.

Now answer the question.

The video was posted on Youtube. You seem to be familiar with a "RW Media Recearch Centr" which I am not. If those were not Feinstein's words, did someone put those words in her mouth? Did she not say them?

Are you still of the opinion that millions of Democrats who own firearms are conservatives? Or are you just pretending to believe that?

If you have a comprehension problem, it's difficult to see how providing a more fuller answer would change that. I can give you an answer, and I did, but I can't give you understanding.

Instead, you attempt to muddy the debate by providing pro-mass murder RW bullshit.

It doesn't work anymore, sunshine. America is on to you.

you and she get to keep your guns.

relax

to have a choice as to whether to own firearms or not.

There is nothing that you can do about it.

how you get from Feinstein's proposals (u read em?) --that you need to be so defensive (& snarky & come off like Eric Cartman) in order to protect your guns? We need to get this debate out of the sandbox.

People have had it with the insanity. I'm sure you would see that some changes are necessary. Any reasonable firearm owning Democrat would.

Do you believe that the millions of Democrats who own firearms are members of the NRA? Or NRA sympathizers? Or specially influenced by the NRA?

When JFK was running for the presidency in 1960, there were those who attacked him on the grounds that he was a Catholic and would be subject to the Pope. Those who attack Democrats who own firearms while referring to "NRA" are using a same type of ad hominem attack. Or are you not doing so, and do you have an exception for fellow Democrats?

Enough of the name calling. Enough of the ad hominem attacks.

that the NRA holds us all hostage to them, whether we are non-gun owners, reasonable gun owners, or fanatics. All of us.
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So, sorry if you don't feel the luv, but the NRA has abused us all. You too. They wield their iron fist (which is in reality the iron fist of the weapons manufacturers and warmongers)--in this country. They taint everybody. When things like Sandy Hook happen the non gun people are going to lump you in with the NRA--because you are not doing anything to stop them. You may not be a member but you still support them. They hurt you too.

Ever since 1968, gun owners have had to jump through an increasing number of legal hoops on the Federal and state level. Some of the new laws were rational and beneficial. Some of them were, and remain, at best ridiculous and at worst unconstitutional.

Just take a look at the NRA's leadership. Harlon Carter was someone that a lot of DUers, including gun-control advocates, could respect even if they didn't agree with him all the time. But his era at the NRA is long gone, and this is the age of Wayne LaPierre and the late Chareton Heston. And with the "more is never enough" philosophy of many gun-control organizations, the NRA became more and more radicalized.

So now you've got the Persians hurling themselves at the Spartan defenders at Thermopylae all over again, only this time it's getting harder to figure out which is which.

--the NRA has nobody to blame but itself for what it has morphed into. And gullible gun owners went right along. But even today gun owners don't realize how much they are pawns of the weapons and war corporates, fronted by the NRA. They/you have been used. But we're all in the same boat. Don't think you're gonna find any pity parties for the good 'ol NRA around here I'm waiting for the "responsible" gun owners to wise up and realize their life isn't gonna end if they support some measures that will make us a much better country to live in, for all.

The more guns we buy out of fear and a misguided idea of "safety," the more America, as a civilized country, has failed. (Obviously I am exempting sport shooting and hunting the old fashioned way (not shoot up the woods ways you see now).

The more guns out of fear, the more America fails.

I would vote for Al Capone's corpse before giving her even the appearance of a pass.

I agree. But no need to give her a pass on that to support what she is doing here. She is sticking her neck out as many of her ilk have been too cowardly to do. Dianne is really, really right on this IMO. Maybe she thinks she's atoning, I have no idea. But anyone who wants to see any changes in gun laws needs to support her position right now. And Obama. And Bloomberg et al. And anyone else who will take a strong stand.

There are a lot of these unrepentant war mongers around. Maybe they'll apologize in their memoirs or their death beds. They all got punked back then. They know they were on the wrong side of history. But Now is Now.

Anyway thanks for an opinion even if it's not mine.

over $70M (not her billionaire husband) selling out her constituents and cutting deals with the worst parasites on earth. She is not one whit better than the worst teabagger and far worse than most of them if for no other reason than she has had power to make things better and has consciously chosen instead to enrich herself at our expense.

There is no looking forward from mass-murder, nor is there any statute of limitation.

No offense intended to you, but this foul, blood soaked thief will never get a nanometer of slack from me.

and if you knew me you wouldn't call me "kind" to politicians. ROFL

Punked--referring just to the selling of the war, which a lot of them bought. They are all responsible, except for those few who dissented at the time. No forgiveness. Nope.

Of course she's a rich bitch who let's just say has taken full advantage of the bounties of corrupt America--like so many--duh. A lot of things have to change before we get the country you or I might like. We are far from it.

Right now I am talking about getting what we want out of Dianne, since she seems to be trying on this, much harder than some. She is working at it. Do I admire her, no. But it's not about that. We who really care about this have to support those who are putting on the gloves and going into the ring with the NRA. I feel the same away about Bloomberg. He's doing what he can. Right now we got to support them if we have a hope of any real action on it.

No offense taken. Thanx for reply.