RAISE THE FUCKING CAP

YO - HEY STUPID

To be sold down the river by one of your own

sorry it's how I feel, I have been disillusioned for awhile now.

#2. Commissions are where ideas like this go to die.

are failure, that they still go back and try to do the same thing. Isn't that one of the definitions of insanity? Durbin is no Democrat. He just runs as one.

A true Democrat would be fighting for lowering the retirement age and bringing the COLA in line with the reality of seniors lives.

If the right powers that be are behind those ideas, they might not die.

If commissions are where things go to die, why isnt this dead from the last commission?

This is a brow-beating technique. Keeping reform alive instead of killing it. Pres Obama should say outright, that he will not sign a bill that cuts Medicare or SS. That would help kill this.

"The panel would be expected to consider" is a phrase invented by the author of the article. It refers no quotes from anyone I could find.

nt

When they would not have advocates of the public option even be allowed to be part of the debate

Dear Sen. Durbin,

There is no way to make Soc. Security solvent. We did this in the 80s. Payroll taxes were raised in order to make it solvent, and look where we are now. The Republicans will raid the fund as soon as it looks solvent.

I get a small federal pension and have basic family Blue Cross so those measly Colas don't cover much besides the 10 to 15% yearly increases in the Blue Cross premiums ($299 per month for me and husband) plus the ever increasing deductibles and copays that we have to pay ourselves. Colas were already cut back in the 80's and the Reagan era Social Security cuts are still being phased in so that younger beneficiaries get less and less.

call and tell him to do the right thing or he won't get your vote.

here is some

"We're very, very close," Durbin said. "And there's a sense of urgency. Our relevance is going to be hooked to our timeliness. If we wait too long, we may not be players. And a lot of people are counting on us to be players."

Durbin criticized a resolution put forward by Sen. Bernie Sanders, a liberal independent from Vermont, that says Social Security should not be cut under a deficit reduction plan. Durbin said he would not vote for such a resolution.

"I think Bernie is going too far with his language," Durbin said.

"In 2037, as we know it, Social Security falls off a cliff," he said. "There's a 22 percent reduction rate in payments, which is really not something we can tolerate. If we deal with it today, it's an easier solution than waiting. I think we ought to deal with it. Many of my colleagues disagree, put it off to another day. But from my point of view, leaving it out makes it easier politically, including it, I think, meets an obligation, which we have to senior citizens."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/sen-dick-durbin-social-security-cuts-ruled/story?id=13400977#.UVC65jc6z4s

The Third Way dance:

Deny, deny, deny, deny, deny....minimize, minimize, minimize, minimize, minimize....rationalize, rationalize, rationalize, rationalize, rationalize.....defend, defend, defend, defend, defend.

It appears we are back at Step One!

But that is what the ruthless, cold, self interested piece of trash blowing in the wind did. Voted against the rights of his own neighbors.
He is not to be trusted and should be replaced.

www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=n00004981

Again-follow the money...

NOT.

But I could hazard a guess as to who IS demanding it.

Oh well- forntunately our good centrists know how to work with the other side and get things done.

Commission = A bunch of rich people who don't rely on Social Security to make cuts to those that do.

from Pete Peterson and right wing think tanks such as Third Way and PPI.

Did I call third wayers Republicans? How rude, I forgot that one's entire ideology can be Republican but as long as one Registers as a Democrat one may call oneself that. Even if one does identify oneself publicly as an eighties Republican.

It is a real technicality so I suppose Ideology is irrelevant and I must apologize to the right wing Heritage Foundation "Democrats"

Sorry if I have offended any infiltrators that have earned the right to be Democrats by the magick of party registration, my bad.

You can't believe how sorry I am...

This is why we cant always get the ponies- not b/c they dont want to get them for us.

Not their fault. Elections have consequences. We dont have the votes. Keep your powder dry for the next fight. This is chess, not checkers.

Also, we are supposed to call them fake "Democratics"- usually it is only the fake Republicans that can call them Democrats.

a penny of their parents money.

Here is how it will work. Mr. & Mrs. S. work all their lives, pay into Social Security and save. Their great dream is to leave just a little to their kids and grandkids when they die.

In 2008, the banks fail due to their own mismanagement and greed. In order to make up the shortfall they limit interest payments on deposits, CDs and all the other kinds of "conservative" investments that seniors are advised to make.

Mr. & Mrs. S. each receive the average amount of Social Security giving them $2,500 per month, a mortgage of $800, insurance, utilities including heat in the winter, Medicare co-payments including the monthly Medicare charge, car upkeep, car insurance, an occasional visit to the grandkids, Thanksgiving dinner, Christmas gifts and a very small amount for clothing. They like to be able to contribute a little to their church and to charity.

As time passes, prices rise. They knew when they retired that they would have to cut back. That was part of the bargain. So they cut back on eating red meat to once a week and ate chicken in between. They switched to the most inexpensive of everything. Chicken maybe three times a week. Beef never. Sausage just for the taste in between. Lots of beans. Lots and lots of beans.

They bought fewer and fewer clothes. Faced with a choice, they picked internet over cable.

And now chained CPI is planned. What will it mean for Mr. & Mrs. S. They will eat meat only once a week (remember the promise of "a chicken in every pot" Henry IV of France) and will cut back on their winter heat as well as the use of their car.

Their kids will pick up the tab when grandma and grandpa visit, and help pay for the Thanksgiving turkey as well as some of the healthcare costs. Mr. & Mrs. S. will not leave anything to their children. It costs a lot to die, the medical care, the convalescence, help at home with housework that they can no longer do, and finally assisted living and hospice care.

Meanwhile, the multi-billionaires like the Koch Brothers, the CEOs of the banks, the computer companies, the insurance companies, the import companies, the exploiters, Rupert Murdoch, and the rest will leave their mansions, their fortunes, their airplanes, their businesses, their political philosophy and a bright future for their children -- tax-free.

Forget greed. Forget fairness. Is that reasonable? Why should the middle class pay so that the children of the Kochs, etc. can inherit fortunes tax-free?

And I'm gawddamned sick of freaking chicken!

Better for us to imitate non-racists, such as Abe Lincoln or Richard Nixon, for instance.

...when it comes to protecting the "Entitlements".

I agree that we should agree with Reagan when he agrees with centrists, but I'm not sure we should go along with any of his FDR style racist and or far-left stuff.

Your attempt to discredit FDR is pathetic, historically ignorant, and transparent.
Are you willing to embarrass yourself further by attacking Jefferson, Franklin, and all the other founders of our nation because they were "racists"?

It is not fair to use contemporary standards to force a moral judgement
on a historical figure. It is only valid to judge them by the contemporary standards in which they lived.
Truth is that the USA was a "racist" nation during FDR's time,
and the WAR against the Japanese People was fired by horribly racist propaganda,
much more so than the War on the Germans.

I assume you are referring to The Internment.
I can also assume that you know very little about the conditions on the West Coast immediately after the attack on Pearl Harbor, or you wouldn't make such a dumb ass statement.
The Spielberg Movie "1941" was an understatement of the hysteria and fear of anything Asian at that time.
The Internment had the overwhelming approval of the American Congress and the American People at that time. There were vigilante gangs "patrolling" the West Coast , and there is documentation of beatings and killings of suspected Japanese.


A logically valid and accurate approach toward the question of FDR's racism would be to see if FDR aided or impeded any advancement of Minorities under his administration.

The far left just wants to embarrass Obama And Durbin by making them say embarrassing, liberal, stuff that we did not/do not/ will not have the votes for.

Besides, FDR was a racist. Its not a conservative attack- that fine talking point comes from good Obama supporters here at DU who do not want him to fail like Carter and McGovern did.

Best for DEMS to imitate non-racists like Nixon, Lincoln or Regan(except in this instance).

..are the ill informed and easily mislead,
and have difficulty examining facts and thinking for themselves.

I see you chose to ignore my challenge to find a single piece of documentation that predates FDR's establishment of Racial Equality as a Democratic Party Goal.
The REASON you can't find any is because that document does NOT exist.

FDR was the 1st American president who established Racial Equality as a democratic party Goal, as I have documented in my previous post.

Provide evidence that contradicts my historical statement,
or further embarrass yourself by insisting that FDR was a "racist"
using only the questionable word of anonymous posters on a Discussion site,
and invalid applications of current standards to historical figures.

He supports Nixon's HC plan, and has mentioned that Lincoln and Reagan inspires him as well (except for this issue, or for any other issue where Reagan could have been called far left.)

As to your challenge, just do a DU search.

You will find many fine DUers pointing out FDR's failure to pass anti-lynching laws. This proves not only that he was a racist- but suggests DUs own FDR nostalgists might be racist by association if they keep insisting that Obama be inspired by FDR instead of non racists like Lincoln, Nixon, or Reagan(except for this instance).

at least that was how I read all those posts. You can search them and see for yourself.

I'm not so sure about Durbin, but I'll bet that he knows better than to imitate FDR style liberals too.

....or supply any documentation or credible cites to support your claims.

That should be enough for anyone else reading this sub-thread to determine who is being an honest broker of the truth,
and who is resorting to innuendo and name calling.

As far as your claim that "Obama never mentions FDR as his inspiration",
I agree.
That is the truth.
However, Obama HAS named Ronald Reagan several times as his inspiration.
Unfortunately, it shows.

You even admit that you wish DEMS would emulate Reagan on entitlements- but they are smart enough to only imitate Reagan when he was being centrist, nit when he was being far left.

NOW who is being the truth broker 'rount cheer?

holy shit. This site has gone completely nuts.

...and that tells us exactly where he stands on the Political Spectrum.

this site has gotten nearly as bad a freeperville and hate radio in that regard. "Liberals are trying to trap Obama". Wow.

Keep raising the age until everyone will be DEAD, except the rich with big, fat portfolios, before they can collect benefits. Hello, young people? If Grandpa and Grandma have to keep working, if they aren't fired, all those jobs for YOU will not exist if they can't retire.

If you don't want Mom & Dad moving in with YOU when they get old,
better get out there and let the Democratic Party hear:
[font size=5]NO G**DAMNED CUTS to Social Security OR
Medicare.

Hands OFF!!!!![/font]

...or start clearing out that bedroom for Mom & Pop.

since illinois is in such a mess his seat will probably go to a republican

at what he's doing.

No wonder.

to keep the few remaining actual Democrats out of the process.

Yeah, like our very own president.

he blows my mind repeatedly these days