One of the nastiest things management does to people.

But, I got a back up plan so I can talk. But, seriously if you can quit it might be fun to watch their heads spin.

Wait until they let you go, as you will probably get severance and you can collect unemployment. If you quit you cannot collect unemployment. I was laid off in 2010 and received a generous severance of $10,000. And then I collected unemployment when the severance ran out as I was paid biweekly.

Get that in m*****f***ing writing and signed.

make 'em put their worthless "promise" on paper . . . it'll be ammo for later

and I can see why one wouldn't jump at the chance to "help". Training takes a long time, right?

Knowledge transfer

They don't even do that anymore. Sorry, DainBramaged. I have no words of consolation for what they have done to you.

But I do wish you the best and hope things will get better.

industry contacts to see if there are any openings.

Is your firm doing well? Is there work for both of you? Do you feel close enough to anyone in HR to ask if there are two FTE (Full time Employee) positions for your area, including a new one just approved?

Been there, done that.

the next day but you know 3 or 4 months you might be and the damn gall of it you have to train this person.

to my late wife (disabled with MS) while she continued to work part-time at the plant and part-time at home.
They hired someone to "help" her and my wife was to train her.
Oh, did I tell you that my wife was the H-R/Payroll person and knew that her "helper" was being paid MORE than she was.
My wife said she would not train her unless they were at least equal salary and they said "no."
My wife quit and went on disability.
And they called several times to ask questions about things because the "replacement" didn't know what to do.
Yeah, the place is bankrupt and out of business now.
NOT a way to treat a loyal employee - but how long has it been since that mattered?

Love the corporate greed.

critical part of your job to conveniently forget to train your replacement to do.

Both of us had been working at the same place (Fed. govt. regulatory agency,) he'd been there longer than I had, was very smart and ? years older than I and likely had health problems, but didn't have the particular expertise I'd garnered during the past several years. So I trained him, continued to work with and for him doing 'our' work, and couple years later, he died.

Office politics is shit.

I'm a retired Federal government employee now.

Sorry.

I suggest you have purchasing get you one of these little darlings....

http://www.ekornes.com/us/stressless-recliners

And of course you'll have to take it home afterwards.

Be sure to forget a few details from the training. Remember: your Word can be just as good as Hitler's.

I tell my students not to mention they have an MBA on their cv's.

So they said they're going to bring in some consultants to remotely assist us.

As a team, we told management that if they bring in consultants, that make more than we do, and they don't even have to come in, we're all working from home effective immediately. They're now looking at how to bring in onsite consultants.

When I got laid off from my previous job, they sent my job to India. But in a twist, they hadn't hired anybody in India yet. So they whacked 50% of my team, but had nobody ready to take that work load. Turns out some manager 5 layers above me got a bonus for cutting costs with no connection to service level agreements or customer satisfaction.

So he got a huge bonus, and we all got fired. They didn't catch him until he tried to whack the other 50% a year later. His management said, they're still not ready, what are you doing? His answer? You paid me to cut costs. I get the same bonus if I lay half the team off or the whole team. But I get two bonuses if I cut the first half in one year, and the 2nd half in the other.

He got fired, but got to take his bankroll with him.


Working for a living was never awesome, but in most cases at least management didn't resent your existence. At the prior place, they told me that if I worked for free I was still too expensive because of rent on the facility, light, heat, etc. Made me feel real good.

"You're getting on and God forbid something happens to you we have no fallback." Your employer may have violated the law, and you may have legal recourse. From their site:

Age Discrimination & Work Situations

"The law forbids discrimination when it comes to any aspect of employment, including hiring, firing, pay, job assignments, promotions, layoff, training, fringe benefits, and any other term or condition of employment."

http://www.eeoc.gov/laws/types/age.cfm

Lots of info there, and complaint process too.

Good luck, and hang in there.

and are you over 40 and how many employees does the co. have?

I'm in staffing and this stuff might save your job )or get you a fat severance/settlement if the stuff hits the fan later

That's our new and improved America for you. Next, they'll raise the age to collect SS to "encourage" us to get jobs that don't exist.

(Prolly our fault for not dying young anyway.)

I would never do something like that to someone, that's just barbaric.

My boss at the time asked me how hard it was to learn CAD for what we needed to do. I told him I did most of the work already and created templates of commonly used parts (I was converting old paper electrical schematics to digital), and now it's just snapping a bunch of things together. A few weeks later I found out the oldest son of the department head would be taking my job (it was a "temp" job for me, but they were hiring him full time) and they asked if I could please train him. Not a big deal for me at the time (it was pretty easy to get a temp job in the mid 1990's if you had some computer skills), but after temping there for 2 years, they could have handled it much better.

I did find it a little disturbing that with a 4 year sociology degree, the best my replacement could do was to take a job from a temp, outside their own field of study, that they could learn to do in a week. Seems like a waste of college to me.

.... a cardboard box before I would train my replacement. Fuck that shit running.

Teach him to do things that would get him fired. If it takes them longer to find your replacement....tada!

They put you in the position to walk away.

jeopardize the ability to receive (a) a severance package (discretionary with the employer) and (b) unemployment compensation?

More pay if you are lucky, no benefits, work 'til you drop.

Good luck.

This is just fucked.

Good luck.

recession...I've never seen anything like it. They're running with their advantage whole hog, kicking out employees, giving them double work, cutting pay or benefits.

I'm getting older. I can tell you that I can tell the difference in the way people at work treat me now vs. 10 years ago. The little comments. But I look younger and I'm healthy, so I'm lucky that it hasn't been as bad as your situation.

I hope you are able to go it financially, should they boot you out. Or worse...make things so bad for you that you'll be forced to quit.

and dirt on fellow coworkers, especially higher up co workers.

that would be the only training I would do.

as was pointed out above, "you're getting on" is age discrimination.

probably not enough to make a case unless you have witnesses who not only heard it but also would actually confirm that statement, which i'm guessing isn't likely.

so start a work diary, if it seems complete and includes multiple references to age discrimination, assuming they make further problematic statements, that will make a better case.

Gather all your positive employee reviews, write down everything they tell you, (and who was present) especially the stuff about you being old. Comply with all their instructions, don't do anything emotional or stupid and contact a labor lawyer.

Right now, before spending a minute training anybody, I'd have a little talk with the boss. Topic of discussion:

You'll be ever so happy to train your replacement to the same high standards to which they have grown accustomed thanks to your fine efforts all these years, IF, if return for said training they provide you with:

a) an employment contract which spells out in writing the mutual agreement between the parties
b) the contract is for a period of xx years at a salary of $xx
c) at the completion of the contract you will receive $xx severance and $xx unemployment for a period of xx mos/yrs, during which your benefits/insurance/retirement will continue in full force at the company's expense.
d) anything else you think you can get.

I would do this now. If they balk, I would consult an employment attorney to find out what other options there are, if any. If there were any way I could walk away leaving them with an untrained schmuck and sure disaster ahead, I would jump on it. Good luck.

Spend two weeks trying to train them to learn how to turn the computer on and off...
Then, report that they don't seem ready yet...

I've been on disability for years, so I don't have advice.

But I'm sorry this happened

Baffle them with BS and remember that experience is everything!

that kind of shit has been going on in IT for a long time, and not because you're old - but because you make a living wage

I'm really sorry to hear this. So many employers suck nowadays. I wish you all the best.

I hope luck finds you DB and you somehow a better opportunity opens itself up to you. But in the meantime it is time for personal stories like this one to be posted on less liberal dominated boards than DU, Yahoo, letters to the editor of local papers etc. Sharing personal stories from regular people is our best chance of breaking through to fight back as a society against the parasites.

not with a bang but a whimper...(thanks T.S.)

Into a 20 or 30 yr old. It doesn't work.