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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy on earth do wingnuts fear a communist takeover?
How do they get this crazy? And this example is not singular.
The homosexual agenda is not about marriage or so called a right to a sexual group but a method for the communist wing to promote their political ideology. Just as the women’s movement was used to promote the communist agenda in the 60’s, such as abortion being a right rather than a moral judgment; so too is the homosexual marriage movement becoming their latest agenda promotional tool. This is simply a tactic to break down our society to be replaced with a gummit mandate.
During the 60’s and 70’s when women were burning their bras to protest their oppression by the so called Patriarchal society, their leaders were heavily communist oriented. The men and women who headed their movement never cared about what was beneficial for women, they wanted to form a country that was more like Mao’s China or Castro’s Cuba so they used the uprising to accomplish their goals. Those countries made women work like slaves for the communal society rather than raise children. Once they were able to make abortion on demand a right rather than killing their babies they were able to bring in more and more government programs. Just like Mao's China, women work in the factories to support the growing State while the kids are raised in the childcare centers.
The communist leadership of these groups learned to use these so called oppressed groups as voting blocks and generated activists to continue moving communism down the road. They sold the women on the idea that without these groups they would be tied to a stove with five kids hanging on their apron strings rather than the so called equality in the workplace they deserved. Now they have more than accomplished their goals and women are suffering from more depression, alcoholism, abuse, sickness and divorce than any time in history as a side benefit.
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LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Communists will be everywhere, watching till the day they die
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)They need the fear. It keeps them going. Without fear, they'd have to face their actual boring and stultifying lives.
That is the reason.
MineralMan
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DebJ
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LiberalLoner
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spanone
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SpearthrowerOwl
(71 posts)It's just fear. Markets have formed around having the population in a system of fear, much like the way advertisers routinely distort markets by selling beer to men with beach scenes of lovely ladies. Today, Halliburton has a vested interest in getting the military industrial complex agents of evil (Washington politicians - their marketing department) to drum up fear in the populace to justify perpetual military conflict (and stable or ever increasing profits).
Wounded Bear
(58,662 posts)LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)and fill their tiny heads with propaganda.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The right wing fears it for good reason: the effort to make production appear as if it's coming from special "entrepreneurs" rather than from the common wellspring of human labor and creativity in general is incessant. It cannot cease. It is ever-present, precisely because what actually produces - the Common - is ever-present, and is always being exploited by the capitalist class. Every capitalist society needs a margin of militant, violent, radical anti-communism to reproduce itself. It is generally latent, but can be activated at any time. Ours is "the right wing," with the liberals serving as the softer consensus model of capitalist obfuscation. Obviously, we're not talking about the version of "communism" most favorable to the capitalist interests (the state socialists), but they serve as a good foil for the radical anti-communists.
The answer here is very simple: without virulent anti-communism and soft (liberal) anti-communism, any given capitalist society is liable to turn on capitalism at any moment, and even quickly. There is a strong strain of anti-capitalist thought and feeling running through most nominally capitalist populations. It has to be constantly channeled or it can coalesce. That state socialism largely went away means nothing. Common-ism/communism will never go away - it is the base of production in capitalist societies, so it cannot, structurally, subside.
olddots
(10,237 posts)There are two cultures in America ,the fear culture and the progress culture .
spanone
(135,841 posts)i.e. they are insane
Cleita
(75,480 posts)All through the cold war, we were kept in line with the lie of the red menace. It made us obedient to going to wars like Korea and Viet Nam because we were fighting communism supposedly. Of course the Russians were using the same tactics on their people about capitalism.
Both extremes are bad as we know. Communism is a failed experiment and we are living through the failing experiment of capitalism. It seems we need to wise up and use a blending of the two as other successful countries do today that are democracies.
Hoyt
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treestar
(82,383 posts)or socialism, and refuse to recognize it. They have moved that bar so low that it is "communist" to regulate the economy, since that puts restrictions on property ownership.
wandy
(3,539 posts)Ok, I'm usually good at this stuff but I've been up one side of the intertube and down the other and I find nothing about them, but them.......
Well them and their BS.
Their isn't even a Wikipedia entry for them.
But they say stuff like this....
Listen.. I know Teapublicans are flat ass nuts, but brayincandy is well beyond 'one flew over the insane asylum'.
I enjoy satire. Please tell me brayincandy.com is a satire site.
Because if their are really folk out their that think that way, were further gone than even I thought we were.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)wandy
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davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)Communism has been a sort of boogeyman in America for many years. There is still this widely held idea that people need to all be similar, to appear to be the same, to conform. It began with a fear of being painted as a communist, with a fear of being under suspicion at a time when being under suspicion was much more dangerous. During the 50s, people would wear the same clothing, get the same sort of haircuts, have the same sort of houses... even the same sort of families - at least, they would strive for this. To be just like everybody else was to be a patriotic American, not a suspected communist or communist sympathizer.
So.. in modern times, even more than twenty years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, there is still, I think, a residue of that. My mother grew up having to hide in ditches when these strange alarms went off, warning of possible bomb or missile strikes from the Soviets.
Twenty years is not so long really. I think it will require a new boogeyman to eliminate the fear of communists and communism - in much the same way that the Nazis temporarily reduced the fear of communism, by being much more evil and scary.
SpartanDem
(4,533 posts)The idea about some looming take over by some evil forced rooted in conservative Protestanism. The target has moved from the from the Catholic Church to communism with the U.N generally being the modern target of ire. This is not to say every wing nut is religious, this evil force narrative is sometimes, depending on the group, secularized often with anti-Semetic or anti-elite themes.
First some background:
Whether Christians are Postmillennialist, Amillennialist, or Premillennialist has a dramatic affect on how they view the world. Understanding this aids in understanding things like social justice, dominionism, and the culture wars.
Catholics are generally Amillennialists while mainline Protestants are generally either Amillennialists or Postmillennialists. The distinction between the two is often vague. Amillennialists believe we are currently living in a (figurative) millennium and that Christ’s return could come at any minute, or not for hundreds or thousands of years. Amillennialists generally don’t involve themselves in watching for the signs of the end times, and instead concentrate on living Christian lives in the here and now. Postmillennialists are similar, except that they believe that Christians must work to bring about the Millennium, when the world will be at peace, governed by Christian ethics and values.
There are actually two types of Postmillennialists. Most Postmillennialists are your mainline Protestants who run soup kitchens and talk about social justice. Some Postmillennialists, however, are extremely conservative, mainly of the reformed (i.e. Calvinist) traditions. These are the dominionists, the ones who believe in establishing a theocracy – some even hope to bring back Old Testament law. (See Gary Nash and Rousas Rushdoony, for instance, or Vision Forum.) To be clear, there are very few hard-core dominionists. What I find more interesting about dominionism than the few who want to bring back Old Testament law is the influence some dominionist ideas have had beyond hard-core dominionism itself.
Most conservative Protestants are Premillennialists, who, like I said before, believe in a coming tribulation, with a rapture at some point, and that the end times are imminent. These are the ones who watch for signs of the end times, speculate about the identity of the antichrist, and interpret current events through a Biblical end times lens. These are the ones who believe that the end times might begin at any moment.
Now there is also this thing I call “bleed.” In other words, the edges get blurry in interesting way and cultural and theological influence spreads ideas around. This often happens unintentionally, but understanding it is key to understanding things like the political influence of dominionism
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Third, a surprising number of Premillennialists have been influenced by the thinking of Postmillennial dominionists. You would think Premillennialists would care only about watching for signs of the end times and nodding as the world gets worse and worse, and that is why it was so very odd to see Jerry Falwell getting into politics. Beginning in the 1970s, Francis Schaeffer, himself a Premillennialist but influenced by some of the ideas of Postmillennial dominionism, called on Christians to resist the “moral decay” they saw around them and fight the “secular humanism” that was taking place in society. Schaeffer’s influence should not be underestimated, and he was himself involved in the founding of numerous religious right organizations. The combination of the threat presented by (apparent) moral decay and the galvanizing call of Schaeffer, influenced by dominionist thought, resulted in numerous Premillennialists rejecting isolationism and engaging politically in the “culture wars.
Note: Schaeffer was not, strictly speaking, a dominionist. Being “influenced by dominionist ideas” is not the same thing as being an actual full dominionist. There are very few who actually want to restore Old Testament law. Most of those influenced by dominionist ideas simply want to work through the ballot box to preserve our nation’s “moral foundation” and spread “Christian” values. It’s the difference between upholding “traditional” marriage and urging a return to stoning gay people. I find both problematic, but I don’t think it’s helpful to treat the two like they’re one and the same.
It sometimes seems like Premillennialists don’t realize what is happening when embracing certain ideas from Postmillenial dominionism. I actually sensed this disconnect as a child. I wondered why we would be so politically involved in trying to “take back the nation for Christ” if we knew that the future held only defeat and decline, followed by the Tribulation. Shouldn’t we just focus on saving souls and leave everything else alone, I wondered? I actually asked my dad this at one point, and he thought for a minute before concluding that “we have to try.” In other words, we know we’re going down, but we’re not going down without a fight. This thinking, though, is new.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/02/the-end-times-part-ii-social-justice-dominionism-and-the-culture-wars.html
In the end times narrative among conservative protestants is the idea of a coming one world government. Anything that is seen centralizing government power is met with distrust. The John Birch Society was founded by people held this worldview. It's also part of the reason why it's very prone at looking for conspiracies about government power.
While the Antichrist’s one world government will not be completed until after the Tribulation is underway, Premillennialists believe that the seeds of this government will be planted beforehand. And they have located those seed: the United Nations. The United Nations is the organization the Antichrist will take and shape into his one world government, much like Palpatine does with the Galactic Republic in Star Wars Episode III.
As a result, Premillennialists oppose the U.N. at all costs, seeing it as the early shadow of the Antichrist’s one world government. They cannot consider that the U.N. might do any good or might be a good idea, they can only oppose it as their enemy. They therefore oppose any U.S. involvement in the U.N. as highly problematic; after all, the U.N. will eventually have to neutralize the United States, pulling it into the Antichrist’s scheme of one world government.
And finally, this fear of a world government makes Premillennialists wary of any almost any international cooperation (besides missions work, of course). Global solutions to problems are often seen as potential seeds of a one world government, a government that will ultimately hunt Christians down and be ruled by Satan himself.
There’s another point to be made. While the points I’ve discussed here are fairly universal, some Premillennialists try to fit the actions of countries in the present into the verses of Daniel or Revelation. Let me offer two examples:
First, some passages speak of Rome being rebuilt during the Tribulation, and serving as the seat of the Antichrist’s one world government. Because of this, Premillennialists living in the 1930s thought Mussolini might be the Antichrist, as he was rebuilding Rome. Second, many Premillennialists during the 1970s believed that the “Bear of the North” spoken of in one passage was the Soviet Union.
But of course, the global political situation changes, and then Premillennialists must reinterpret anew – and interpret they do. They fit things like Obama, or Sarkozy, or the new president of China into obscure Bible verses, trying to puzzle out how the last few decades before the rapture and Tribulation will play out. They see the Bible not simply as a tale of the past, after all, but as a guidebook for the future, and they do their best to squeeze every bit of information from it they can. It’s not just an idea. It’s an obsession
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2012/02/the-end-times-part-v-signs-prophesies-and-current-events.html
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)Damn.
On to us.
