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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsYay! Massachusetts Library Cat Can Stay (Buck Up, Allergic Kids) & Don't f-- with us cat people.
Anna Breslaw
If cats could form organized groups for the greater good of felines everywhere, there's no doubt their first order of business would be to form some kind of union for bodega/library/coffee shop cats' rights. Alas, they cannot.
As a result, Penny the cat was in danger of being evicted from her home for the last 9 years, Massachusetts' Swansea Public Library, by a guy who admittedly has a point, but can we still call him kind of a douche? He first got the idea to attempt the cat eviction after a number of parents mentioned to him that their children were allergic.
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Higgins, shocked by the outpouring of support for Penny, has dropped his efforts to have her evicted. He's baffled. "We've got pictures of the cat on Facebook laying on top of a laptop and they think this is ok. I just don't understand it. [...] The cat has gone all over the world. You've got the petition with over 2,000 people over a freaking cat."
Don't fuck with us cat people.
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http://jezebel.com/5993003/yay-massachusetts-library-cat-can-stay-buck-up-allergic-kids?utm_campaign=socialflow_jezebel_facebook&utm_source=jezebel_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow
And from the embedded link in the story:
Dena Iverson, spokesperson for the U.S. department of Justice, said even if Higgins had filed a complaint its not clear that the Swansea Public Library would have had to give up Penny.
The ADA does not prohibit animals from public buildings, Iverson told ABCNews.com. Allergies are covered by the ADA if they are severe enough to substantially limit a major life activity.
The library could also make reasonable modifications to address these allergies including adding an air filter.
One side-effect of the public outpouring of support is that there has been an uptick in people registering for library cards, according to Lowney. He said even Penny got her very own card.
AndyA
(16,993 posts)I read the story of Dewey, the late library cat from the Spencer Public Library in Spencer, IA, and it was wonderful. Dewey was found almost frozen after being dumped in the book return over a weekend. His paws had frost bite.
He recovered, and had many years greeting people in the library, and became an attraction that people traveled from miles around so they could visit him.
Penny will be beloved by many, and will be an asset to the library. Thanks for posting!
grilled onions
(1,957 posts)He managed to tie a community together--kids,disabled,seniors--he loved them all and they loved him. There was at least one person who thought he should be evicted. I am so glad they did not listen to her!
demosincebirth
(12,537 posts)the ass to others. I know I'll get some crap from someone who is allergic to dander
ashling
(25,771 posts)demosincebirth
(12,537 posts)and not all cats have the same dander that affects certain people. If you're allergic to one cat you are probably not affected by every cat's dander.
dogknob
(2,431 posts)A library without a cat is, um... a bookstore. Yay for the kitteh!
Allergies don't seem to be much of an issue in places that aren't obsessed with antibiotics and antibacterial soap.
Maybe this fun-killer-dream-slayer-douche-nugget should watch Safe.
msongs
(67,413 posts)oh sorry the kid died being a pain in the ass
pretzel4gore
(8,146 posts)everybody in old days knew of abuses of animals-it was thought normal back in the day....and, go to any shelter and see the poor little chumps terrified stiff! It's a cruel world and if anyone suffers allergies to, say, fascism, there's nada we can do! At least kids can have the little one shooed to a back room! Or else, they can just leave the library....we lefties LIVE with the rampaging fascisti 24/7!
i hadda block ALL the news channels on the tv!
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I have lots of clients who are allergic to their own cats. They may have a little itchiness/red eyes/sneezing. If an asthmatic is allergic to cats they shouldn't live with one.
A HEPA air filter and keeping the library vacuumed is more than enough to mitigate.
Drama much???
Freddie
(9,267 posts)But being around one for a little while is ok, he just can't live with one . It's not like a peanut allergy that can be fatal.
freeplessinseattle
(3,508 posts)Certainly never felt my life was in danger-except when they seem to purposely try to trip me lol
Skittles
(153,164 posts)I just ADAPT
RiffRandell
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WorseBeforeBetter
(11,441 posts)irisblue
(32,980 posts)parent/adult/teacher/maybe even kid carries epi pen with them. I know we did when my niece was little and her allergy to peanuts was diagnosed. now she carries it. If you're that allergic, you'll learn it long before a library trip. I'm not picking a fight with you msongs, I just know what we did for our kid.
and yes, if that guy was only making the complaint because other people complained, then he is...'that guy'
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)joeunderdog
(2,563 posts)Probably more common than peanut allergy. It's a serious thing.
Count me as one person who can get very sick for days if I'm around the wrong cat.
But I guess what's important is that they're so cute.
No words. Just LOL.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Are covered in cat dander at all times... If your story held up people would be dropping like flies every time they went out in public, or tried on clothing at stores...
Better carry my epi pen everywhere!
dballance
(5,756 posts)Pet dander is far different from a bee sting or peanut allergies. If the kid is allergic to pet dander then I'll put money on the likelihood they're also allergic to dust and mold. Both of which are found in spades at a library. Allergies are not usually just a one-item thing. People are usually allergic to a whole host of things. Not just one. I know because I have allergies severe enough that I have prescription medication for them. Not just your average OTC stuff.
In any case, the public library, and, actually all public facilities, should have an Epi Pen in their first aid kit. If they don't then it's a simple matter to get a couple to have on hand for emergencies and would be prudent to have them. If they mistakenly use it on someone that's not having anaphylactic shock there is low risk they'll cause harm.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Not once when I have gone to any public space, including my local library, have the feline proteins that elicit an allergic response that are present on every stitch of clothing that I wear caused one single person to have as much as a sniffle.
There should be dead kids lying in my wake.
And if a person is that allergic, just going outside might be fatal to them.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Moops.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)but I'm not going to die being around one in a large space. I wouldn't die being around one in a small space. In fact, I was in an confined area with 10 cats and I was itchy and stuffy headed. That's it.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)Enough said.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I hope that library keeps up their cat tradition. "Penny" the cat, looks like it gets fed a bit too much though.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)Thanks for posting---great story!
treestar
(82,383 posts)it is a public building, so those who are allergic shouldn't get excluded. Someone else can take the cat.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)If this is true you must also ban all fragrances, smelly foods, dirty socks, men (they smell), etc...
Not realistic expectation, sorry.
treestar
(82,383 posts)life can't be perfect but then libraries don't have to have cats, so I can see those allergic to cats thinking they need not be there.
Fla Dem
(23,682 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)not pet the cat in the library. Maybe their moms and dads can tell them that. Cats in public places are very, very common. I don't believe I've ever heard of such a cat causing any real problems for people. Most cat allergies are mild and are nothing but annoyances. In schools, for example, so many kids come to school with cat hairs and cat dander on their clothing that there's no way to prevent that. They live with cats. Cats shed.
I haven't heard of anyone being rushed to the hospital from casual contact with a place where cat dander and hair is present. Not once.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)there's a cat on the library's sign outside? This is the third one an they take their cats seriously.
And, btw, anything that keeps up interest in libraries is good news, imo.
About "library cats"--
http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/featuring/lib.html
leveymg
(36,418 posts)while that individual is in the library.
I'm sure a librarian would be more than happy to put Penny in another room for a while. Problem solved without law suits or the U.S. Dept. of Justice.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)Meow.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)in non smokers. I have seen people 50 feet up wind start coughing when they see me smoking. We are a society of drama junkies.
Mariana
(14,857 posts)is using an e-cig and isn't actually smoking at all. It's an a amazing thing. If it just LOOKS like someone is smoking, that's all it takes to set off some peoples' "allergies" and "sensitivities".
Gemini Cat
(2,820 posts)Skittles
(153,164 posts)he was sitting on my couch chatting for about 30 minutes when my hairy devil Riff Raff emerged from the bedroom - the guy immediately started tearing up and sneezing, even though he had been sitting DIRECTLY in the spot where my cat had was sleeping right before he knocked on the door
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Even sitting on a couch where a cat has been is torture for me.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)problem gone. (It might also be an aversion to the person sitting nearby or who sat there last, but I try not to dwell on such thoughts)
Those who adapt to their environment or improvise, rather than demanding the environment change to suit their peculiar sensitivities, generally do better in the long run.
joeunderdog
(2,563 posts)The notion of removing a cat to remove the allergen from room is a nice gesture but useless. Vacuuming makes it worse. Dander can cause reactions up to 2 years after the cat is gone.
People on this thread implying that out of sight, out of mind are smoking crack.
Cat lovers are passionate about their pets and I have no problem with that. But diminishing the seriousness of these kind of allergies is foolish and insensitive at best.
Allergies remain the medical condition that gets the most laughs of all the things that can harm or kill someone. Not sure why, but it's still cool to LOL about sever reactions--unless you've had one, I guess. Even on a liberal board like this, people think its funny or hyperbole.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)I said HALF the people - I have seen it for myself, people who start sneezing when they SEE my cat, even though I live in a tiny apartment and his hair would be everywhere. I have seen this happen several times!!!
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The allergy doesn't go away just because the cat isn't here *right now*.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Everyone's making it up.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)Blue Palasky
(81 posts)has access to all of those books.
you people...
yes, I am allergic and no I do not like them
Tender to the Bone
(93 posts)He won't be able to file a lawsuit without permission.
cabot
(724 posts)I'm glad she gets to stay in her home. Being around a cat for an hour or two won't kill anyone. Unless said cat is a lion.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)One cat in a building like that, especially as it appears to have hardwood floors, isn't likely to contain that much dander.
People are allergic to all sorts of things, and only a few, such as various nuts and shellfish, are ever bad enough to be life-threatening. And as someone has already pointed out, those people will be carrying the epi pens. Or should be.
Should every single pollen-bearing tree or bush be cut down because of allergies? I live now in New Mexico, and right now the Juniper is in bloom or whatever it does to rile up the allergy to it. Of all the places I've lived and suffered from my various allergies, the Juniper one is by far the worst. Sufferers from it are totally miserable. Fortunately, I am at least so far not allergic to the juniper. If that happens, I'll move. It's a personal choice, but I'd do it because I've suffered from various allergies much of my life, and if there's one I can avoid, I'll do so.
And the only reason I don't currently have a cat or two is that I am currently doing a lot of travelling, and life is simpler without them. My three all lived to ripe old ages, and all were rescue cats.
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)There are two kinds of cat allergies, dander and saliva. If you are allergic to cat saliva, no air purifier or cat shampoo can help. Plus, every place the cat goes (sits lays down) is a danger zone. For me, once I have touched a place where a cat has been, I'm done. My eyes swell up and I start coughing, sneezing and can't breathe. It doesn't matter if the cat is in the room or not. My son and grandson have the same allergy, with my darling little 5 year old grandson being the worst.
The hatred of people who suffer from allergies expressed by cat lovers (not just here, I've run into it before) sounds selfish to me. A request to keep cats out of public places doesn't seem unwarranted to me. Hopefully the library won't get another cat when this one dies.
Warpy
(111,267 posts)Cats lick themselves to keep clean and the allergens are present in the saliva, not in the fur.
One breed that is non allergenic is the Siberian, a gorgeous long haired cat that doesn't have the protein in their saliva that people are allergic to.
When Penny dies, maybe her replacement can be a Siberian.
Also, a vaccine against dander allergy is in the works.
http://news.yahoo.com/treatment-zaps-cat-allergy-symptoms-two-years-191900413.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allergy_to_cats
Hamlette
(15,412 posts)Warpy
(111,267 posts)as well as the one about the vaccine, which is now undergoing trials and will likely be out in a few years.
It won't do anything for weirdos who just hate cats, but it will help a lot of families who don't really want to get rid of a beloved pet because someone has developed an allergy.
Warpy
(111,267 posts)Penny is a chubby kitty but I'm sure she's still earning her keep by encouraging rodents to live elsewhere.
Store cats are a big deal in Mass. Most of them are kept out of sight during business hours, but they're there and have the run of the place in off hours. Health inspectors look the other way because they do keep rodent populations down.
I suspect Mr. Higgins is less concerned for allergic people and more concerned with his own dislike of cats. Such people exist and I'm terribly sorry they have to go through life confronting the occasional domestic feline. However, that's life and we all have to put up with things we don't like.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Their interest begins early in life:
They have special interests:
As they age, they read better:
They hold the place for you:
They assist students reading:
And show you when it's time to quit:
Emit
(11,213 posts)irisblue
(32,980 posts)is disturbing on many levels
freshwest
(53,661 posts)alp227
(32,026 posts)(On edit) One comment at jezebel says:
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)A building with books and a cat is a bookstore that allergic people can choose not to patronize. A public library is an entirely different thing,
Personally I am allergic to some cats, but I like them. I have had them in my home, but choose not to have any full time. I would go to a library with a cat, but I am only slightly allergic and experience symptoms only when I forget and pet them. Washing my hands and face is usually enough to stop the itching, the burning eyes and runny nose. Minor inconvenience.
That said, the OP even admits that the guy had a point. He gave up on the attempt, in the face of opposition. I personally would not try to oust a cat from anywhere, but have to wonder where the line exists on inflicting personal choices on others, in a publicly funded building. Smoking is a no brainer. Not sure about cats.
But crowing about being able to force your choices on others seems a bit assholey, doesn't it?
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Robb
(39,665 posts)I can't stay in there more than a few minutes, being allergic. An inconvenience for me, nothing more.
I can't say as I'd be very happy being less welcome in a public building than a cat, though.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Some of us overcome our allergies with wuv.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)SharonAnn
(13,776 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)Bodegas (Grocery Stores)
Libraries
Coffee Shops
Bookstores
Hospitals & Rehab Centers
Hospices
Old-Age Homes
Etc.
If cats could form organized groups for the greater good of felines everywhere, there's no doubt their first order of business would be to form some kind of union for bodega/library/coffee shop cats' rights.
(Sigh!) I wish.
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)He was a great artist and illustrator--I had his poster of The Gashlycrumb Tinies in my bedroom growing up. I bought the cat/books t-shirt for my mother-in-law as a present for Mother's Day one year:
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This is a picture of him:
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More info on him; he was a huge animal advocate: http://www.edwardgoreyhouse.org/about-gorey-house
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)...Penny is thirteen! That's old for a cat. So it's kinda late to object. Kitty probably won't be around for much longer. After she passes, the library can clean up, make most of the library cat and dannder free, then maybe have one special reading room occupied by a cat for visitors who want to hang with kitty.
Win-win for both.