...it causes in the environment, or how both parties allowed such protection to advance, inexorable step by step, until the President signed it.

to a multi-national corporation and not a six month extension of an existing rule that protects farmers, the level of outrage we’ve seen would actually be justified,' but it is not.

I don't know if the rider expires after 6 months, just because the budget part does. Does anyone know whether the Monsanto part expires in 6 months or not?

a "D" on its jersey.
Cheering wildly.
Yes, the actual bad stuff that happens is not important at all.

got from the OP? As an "Obama hater"?

Love you.

Love you back, elleng

government from shutting down. The President doesn't have one item Veto Powers.

He can't even hold a press conference to express his opposition to this, if he had any?

Is he limited to doing what some people advise us to do? "Write your congressman"?

It's remarkable how little power this chessmaster has.

Monsanto pulled Sneaky shit to make it so, and they are Sneakily (occultly) corrupting the whole freaking food chain.

They need to be eXposed. This incident is, ultimately, bringing Monsanto's deep, dark occult SHIT into the light.

People can wring their hands all they want about the way it has been characterized or mischaracterized, but the end result of shining light on the OCCULT GMO darkness is beneficial.

And I have ZERO doubt that he he WOULD have signed a standalone bill protecting Monsanto because that's exactly what his history suggests he would do.

You sound familiar. But you're rather new to DU.

Which "history" are you talking about? An informed history, the the ALEC/Koch Bros. version?

And anyone who uses right-wing, libertarian, dumbass NaturalNews as a legitimate source to criticize Democrats or Obama should be laughed off of DU and be PPR'd. It's a situation no different from using breitbart or drudge or WND to attack Democrats.

Thanks for posting.

Sid

saying the same thing. OBAMA FAILED TO VETO MONSANTO ACT(even though 250,000 sigs said NO@@111!!!!). Like it was some damn act unto itself and not a part of the bill to keep the government from shutting down.

It's this kind of Ignorance that divides. And, the rw assholes are loving the lgnorance that doesn't have a clue about the rules of Government.

Pres Obama Cannot Veto one Item in an ACT. Crazy him .. something about keeping our government going.

The GOP Tea Party wants that to happen, so how is that supposed to help the country?

We're seeing that right here at DU, with a new and creative outburst of poutrage every week on a different topic, giving rise to dozens of 200-post threads, a crapload of alerts, and further poisoning the well for the rest of us.

It's sad, but it's not surprising. I'd suggest that we do likewise to the Republicans in return, but they clearly don't need our help when in comes to dumbing down, dividing, and destroying their base.

makes it look at sound like you're talking to coworkers.

Not an accusation. An observation.

and I haven't ever noticed one @ DU. There are DUers whom I have grown to admire, and when I see a post with which I agree I sometimes post 'Thanks' fwiw.

The word 'thanks' will continue to be the pass word for the next five days, comrade. I'll send you the new password this time next week...

The Sayings of Chariman Meow!

Thanks!

"co-workers" are working away in New York. All being quite a bit younger than I.

I love thanking those on DU whose posts resonate with me. Keep up the great work, btw!

Thanks

So true!

It's no use going to GOP sites to attack this way, since these are their beliefs which we are discussing here. The end result coming from both sides profits the Koch brothers, who always play the long game and have no reason to stop. Facts don't work against subliminals and big names who are being well paid to push libertarian propaganda.

Thank you.

K&R.

An embarrassing display of know-nothingness and immaturity.

Defeatists say those who don't sneer at Obama are fools, while the Koch brothers laugh at us.

Who's fooling who?

Honest analysis, babylonsister.

...Monsanto Shills, Former Monsanto Execs, and Former Monsanto Lawyers,
I might be willing to listen.

Google" "Tom Vilsack & Monsanto"

Google: "Michael Taylor & Monsanto"

...and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

Truth is, the President could have done a number of things to address this issue,
if he had wanted to do so. The least of which would be a statement by his spokesperson addressing our concerns.

The article cited in your OP
that attacks those of us with legitimate concerns about the undue influence of Large Corporations
in our government and the current direction of the Democratic Party leadership belongs in the trashcan.
Why is it that Progressive Issues like Jobs Programs and Public Options are NEVER slipped into bills by the Democrats?

Why is it always a continual March to the Corporate/Conservative Right cheered on by the usual apologists?



3 Bullshit lies that NOBODY should be willing to believe anymore:
"The check is in the mail"

"We'll Fix It Later."

"Its only temporary!"














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He voted for it.

He didn't have to - the bill would have passed without his vote. So there's no danger that a "no" vote would shut down the government, unlike an Obama veto.

Elizabeth Warren voted for it. Is she also under Monsanto's control?

More of the bullshit that anyone who doesn't support the President on every single issue must somehow be a right-wing troll trying to undermine progressivism. It's the people who spread that sort of bullshit that actually undermine progressivism by making people afraid to question the center-right leaders.

Let's completely ignore the fact that President Obama appointed Michael Taylor, a former VP and lobbyist for Monsanto, first as senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA, and then deputy commissioner for foods. No, it must be those evil Republicans that forced him to sign the bill, and anybody who says otherwise is not a "true progressive".

that Al Franken, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and seventy-three other senators voted for this bill. The president sold us out and the battle over GMOs is finished.

Monsanto won a small victory with the insertion of a provision in the continuing appropriations bill.

When I said it was "finished" I was being a little bit sarcastic; it was intended toward some people who I think are treating this (passage of the continuing appropriations bill) as if it represents a major and irreversible shift in the dynamics of the fight over GMOs.

Maybe I was continuing an argument from another thread with people who aren't here now. Nevermind.

I loathe Monsanto. I think it's insane that more people don't question whether breeding plants that can tolerate massive exposure to toxic chemicals is sensible public policy. This bill wasn't the end of the battle.

I wasn't sure.. that's why I worded mine as I did.

I loath Monsanto equally.

People are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to defend this law.

It would be much better to admit there is a problem and fix it.

That website looks like it was something set up a couple months ago just to run political cover for corporate sponsored politicians.

His vote wasn't necessary to pass the bill, so a "no" would not shut the government down like a presidential veto.

Perhaps the people claiming all sorts of evil in this bill, but can't manage to quote the part that does what they say, aren't being completely truthful.

It destroys Monsanto's patent rights in favor of the farmer whose crop is polluted by their damn stuff. This has literally been used in other nations to bankrupt small farmers.

And this section, along with all the others, is up for debate for the next six months, when this entire bill is up for grabs again. This entire bill was the funding for 6 months for the federal government. Just 6 months, no more or less - then this goatrope will occur again.

Those who are against GMOs must keep in contact with their senators and representatives to make sure the next omnibus spending bill represents their view, or changed to make it worse for Monsanto.

I'm surprised at those, not you, who didn't read the OP and think about what it means. If anyone believe the Koches are not spending their billions on both sides of the media, they are being snowed big time.

Perhaps we the people are no longer mature enough to be involved in government when we the people flip out without reading the details. It sounds teabaggerish, and it ends up with the same results.

Thanks for your thoughtfulness.

which, as you say, "prohibits Monsanto suing farmers from selling cross pollinated crops"?

not just googled the hell out of it. It doesn't do what you say. Here's my plain English rewording:

If a court overturns the Sec of Ag's determination that a plant is not subject to controls, the Sec. Ag. shall immediately provide a permit with some reasonable environmental restrictions, not waiting for a review period as there normally would be.

Sounds innocuous, but the net effect is to nullify the court's ruling by requiring an immediate permit before it goes through the regular review process. It's an incredibly disturbing precedent to restricting the power of the courts to protect the people. There is nothing (in section 735, haven't read the entire appropriations bill) about protecting farmers from Monsanto seed invasion.

But you just go on ahead and keep painting those that oppose it as unreasonable and unthoughtful and pretending that they haven't read what they're opposed to if that makes you feel better about throwing progressives under the bus.

Since I had a heck of a time finding the text, here's the wikipedia article with the text for anyone interested:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmer_Assurance_Provision

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From the statement issued by her office:

Show me some proof that A.L.E.C. and the Heritage Foundation are actually secretly behind the food safety watchdogs up in arms about this. I posted the actual text of the section and an explanation of how damaging it is above.

fucking laugable

Nobody wanted that except some of the Teabaggers.

Really?

Could it be that "entities like A.L.E.C., the Heritage Foundation and shadow groups funded by the Koch brothers" would have you believe that? Have they made an effort to do so?

Actually, the way that this got into the Bill has repeatedly explained on various web sites, including DU:

"Section 735 "Monsanto Rider" is reported by NY Daily News to have been written in concert with Mosanto by Sen. Roy Blount (R-MO), perhaps Monsanto’s biggest Senate contribution beneficiary. Senate Appropriations Committee Chairwoman Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) allowed the language to stand without consultation with the Agriculture Subcommittee, or any others, for that matter."

http://election.democraticunderground.com/11593033

There's at least two posters claiming all sorts of Monsanto people have been appointed by Obama. They're heavily implying that those appointments resulted in the rider.

There's this, which must mean that, because potato.

It's lashing out, not logic.

It seems, for those who wish to be informed, that Obama appointed Monsanto people to positions of authority in his Administration.

One notable example is Michael Taylor, a former VP and lobbyist for Monsanto, first as senior advisor to the commissioner of the FDA, and then deputy commissioner for foods.

Another example is Tom Vilsack, a special friend of Monsanto, who Obama appointed to be the Secretary of Agriculture.

The exemption given in the Bill to Monsanto so that it could not be sued in the courts is remarkably similar to another Bill which Vilsack was involved with. As noted by the Organic Consumers Association,
"Vilsack was the origin of the seed pre-emption bill in 2005, which many people here in Iowa fought because it took away local government's possibility of ever having a regulation on seeds- where GE would be grown, having GE-free buffers, banning pharma corn locally, etc. Representative Sandy Greiner, the Republican sponsor of the bill, bragged on the House Floor that Vilsack put her up to it right after his state of the state address."

http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_15573.cfm

So...how exactly did Mr. Taylor and Mr. Vilsack write this bill?

Oh wait...they didn't.

Also, the analysis you quote gets the bill wrong - the exemption doesn't work like they claim.

falsly claiming by inuendo that someone said that.

That's a strawman.

Why isn't the truth good enough for you?

they don't look at the real merits, just who signed it in, to determine what position to take - they'd be screaming like hyenas if this kind of garbage happend under (R)

Thanks, babylonsister!

business as usual.

and the fools fall for it every time.

They create far more damage than the "blue dogs" they often deride.

They have an unnatural view of politics that is rooted in fantasy, rather than reason and pragmatic reality.

We lost in 2010 because of them.

And we will lose in 2014 because of them.

already set on who to blame?

I did notice how quickly some were ready to jump on the "evil Obama he's really in the Republican's corner" bandwagon.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2588334

reading others' interpretations of it. Others have agendas.

But read HR 933. Word search it for guideliness on food labeling, Monsanto, gmo, etc.

are embarrassing and I hope they really are not part of our party. If so, then yikes...how far we have fallen.

Damn, we're so easily played...

Don't like the corporatization of US schools? "Communist dupe"

Don't like drone murders? "Idealistic purist"

Don't like ongoing torture? "Far leftist"

Prefer UHC and SP to Heritage Care? "You don't understand chess"

Keystone XL not to your liking? "You don't understand Civics"

:yawn:

It is always someone else's fault. Blame Nader for Gore losing. Blame the left for not coming out in 2010(which isn't true). They just can't take responsibility for their failed policies/actions.

Blame Nader. Lieberman had nothing to do with it. Gore's lame campaign had nothing to do with it and then there is this:

The GOP makes one set of attacks from the right ... used to anger their base and motivate them to turn out.

Meanwhile, a totally opposite of attacks are created from the President's left. These are designed to frustrate the left, and get them to throw up their hands, give up, and stay home.

Worked in 2010. Failed in 2012.

Will be reattempted between now and 2014.

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That was an informative, yet disheartening read. It is scary to know that the Right can pull such sneaky tricks like creating divides among the other side of the aisle in order to get ahead, rather than just moderate their policies. It's a similar tactic to what slaveowners used to do to the slaves back in the day, where they would give the slaves small rewards just for snitching on their peers when they try to escape. What it sounds like in this article is that the Right wants to create cynicism among the Democratic base towards its elected leaders; basically more of the "both parties are the same" and the "Democrats are the new Republicans" crowd.

It causes one to wonder if there are any people like that on this site. The reason why I say this is because I noticed that some of Obama's loudest critics on here are nowhere to be seen on any threads that discuss stupid things that the GOP is doing, or on threads discussing Obama taking a populist stance or doing something beneficial for the country.

and creates his OWN CS!?!?

Garbage in and garbage out from online nobodys...right, I guess the agenda isn't working out very well.

More crap from the people that invented the term 'professional left'. I wonder why they work so hard to help the GOP?