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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAn open letter to my dad on the occasion of his recent anti-vax Facebook postings
http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/2013/04/03/an-open-letter-to-my-dad-on-the-occasion-of-his-recent-anti-vax-facebook-postings/Dear Pa,
I know you care deeply about many issues, especially social justice. Youre tired of wars, youre ashamed of the attempts to destroy social programs in this country, you hate seeing the unions that helped you as a worker provide for our family get dismantled by wealthy CEOs whose only goal is to make themselves and their cronies more wealthy. These are noble things to believe in, and values that youve instilled in your children.
But you probably dont often consider how you select and digest (and frequently, share on Facebook) the stories that youll accept as true. This is called cognitive biassorry, thats a terrible article for a layman, but Id be happy to discuss next time Im home. Anyway, the bottom line is that the beliefs you already hold prime you to accept certain types of information, and reject othersand its something everyone should be aware of when reading anything on the Internet, especially. You dont investigate how the authors of articles and videos you read and view came to their conclusions, or what data they may have overlooked (Im being generous herein most of the things you post, its not a matter of overlooking contradictory evidence on the case of the authors, its flat-out denial that it even exists). And youre not an expert on health issues like fluoride or vaccines, so I dont expect you to go back to the journal articles and try to figure out if these people youre listening to are telling the truth. Thats what I do, but it took years of training to get me to this point, as you probably remember.
You repeatedly caution, follow the money. Often this is the case, and no one disagrees that many times people or companies do some nasty shit in the name of profit. However, you have to look at this on a case-by-case basis. Lets look at vaccines, for instance. Sure, pharmaceutical companies make money off of vaccines. However, this money is a fraction of what they make for drugs that treat chronic conditions or lifestyle medicines, like cholesterol meds and Viagra. Indeed, many pharmaceutical companies have gotten out of the vaccine game altogether because its not particularly profitable, and because of lawsuits directed against them (which, in most cases, arent based in science but on fear and misunderstanding of cause and effect). This leaves us with fewer and fewer options when we need new vaccines quickly, like for the H1N1 pandemic in 2009.
More at link.
Sid
demosincebirth
(12,540 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
likesmountains 52
(4,098 posts)curlyred
(1,879 posts)And the first thing my ENT asked was if I had coworkers who didn't vaccinate their kids. I do.
Coughed my ass off for four months before being referred to the ENT. Still not fully recovered.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
EOTE
(13,409 posts)It's a link to a Science Blogs article. I do agree that the letter could be construed as rude, but I think the message is important enough that people should see it regardless.
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Isoldeblue
(1,135 posts)that with age and the experience gained, one would become more aware and less naive.
But there is just so much info out there, that how do you know what is valid?
Hell, it was Robert Kennedy, Jr. that led the charge against vaccines causing autism. So it's not just propaganda and rhetoric from the right.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,015 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)which is why I get so frustrated when I see naturalnews or mercola used as a source around here.
Hell, there was a poster defending Wakefield in a thread earlier today. Wakefield! (and using whale.to to do it )
Makes my brain hurt.
Sid
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Also published in full here: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/full-statement-by-dr-andrew-wakefield-the-government-has-tried-to-cover-up-putting-price-before-childrens-health-8570596.html
Cutting to the chase,
Live Public Debate
"The more light that (is) shone on this subject by way of informed, balanced debate, the better. I am offering to debate any serious challenger on MMR vaccine safety and the role of MMR in autism, live, in public, and televised."
- Dr. Andrew Wakefield
Have there been any responses to this outside of AOA (52 comments)?
Posted by Age of Autism at April 11, 2013 at 5:46 AMPosted by Age of Autism at April 11, 2013 at 5:46 AM
Statement from Dr. Andrew Wakefield:UK Measles Outbreaks
In the wake of further media distortion, misrepresentation, and ignorance in relation to the measles outbreak in Wales, it is important to clarify some key facts.
In 1998, following an analysis of all published pre-licensing studies of MMR vaccine safety I recommended the use of single measles vaccine in preference to MMR. This remains my position.
At that time, in contrast with the false assertions of many commentators, including Richard Horton, Editor of the Lancet, and vaccine millionaire Paul Offit, the single vaccines were licensed in the UK and freely available to the British public.
While MMR vaccination uptake fell from February 1998, there was a reciprocal increase in the uptake of the single vaccines a fact that is never acknowledged in the press. Vaccination clinics administered many thousands of doses of measles vaccine and children were protected.
Six months later, in September 1998, the British Government withdrew the importation license for the single vaccines, effectively blocking this option for parents.
Measles cases in the UK rose when the government withdrew the importation license for the single measles vaccine leaving concerned parents with no choice.
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Despite the claim of David Salisbury, head of the UKs Immunization Division, that MMR has, an exemplary safety record, two of the three brands introduced in 1988 had to be withdrawn for safety reasons they caused meningitis.
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Live Public Debate
The more light that shone on this subject by way of informed, balanced debate, the better. I am offering to debate any serious challenger on MMR vaccine safety and the role of MMR in autism, live, in public, and televised.
i] http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/CAMPBELL-SMITH.MOJABI-PROFFER.12.13.2012.pdf
ii] http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html and http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/CAMPBELLSMITH.%20DOE77082710.pdf
iii] http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/Abell.BANKS.02-0738V.pdf (see footnote 4)
iv] http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/06/eveningnews/main3915703.shtml
v] http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/HASTINGS.Freeman.pdf
vi] http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2160054/MMR-A-mothers-victory-The-vast-majority-doctors-say-link-triple-jab-autism-Italian-court-case-reignite-controversial-debate.html
vii] http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/MORAN.LAWSON011211.pdf
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Of course, the full original post should be read, especially by critics.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)that you continue to defend him, using age of fucking autism as your source, is pure comedy gold.
Well done.
Sid
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Attacking the messenger rather than the message? Temporary dodge. Comedy? Try searing pain today at AOA, the same as a year ago, except now there has been a House hearing where rowdy members of Congress asked the questions their constituents want answered by the CDC and NIH: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017105362
http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/04/a-hurricane-of-blue.html
Best of AofA: Blue Hurricane
Managing Editor's Note: Ordinarily when we run a Best of AoA post there is some sort of update or editing required. Not on this post. The blue wave continues exactly as last year - no alarm, no sense of urgency - instead, celebrations, balloons, parties even!
By LJ Goes
Blue. Everywhere blue. Buildings downtown. T-Shirts. Toys-R-Us and every chain restaurant in you neighborhood. Everyone is Lighting It Up Blue for Autism. "Care to donate for autism research?" Your waitress with shiny blue salon manicured nails asks. "You know autism is just a terrible disease. Those poor kids. You wanna help the kids, right?" She bats her blue mascaraed lashes.
During this month, the powers that be ask us to simply be aware of autism. Don't do anything. Well, if you've got some cash to donate for "research", you can certainly fork that over, but don't ask us who it's going to or what we are going to do with it. You probably wouldn't understand it anyway. Autism science is super complex mom and dad. You've got your hands full with junior anyway. Leave the science to the experts. Just keep the faith that the money you give us is going to help the kids. Probably not this generation, the previous, or the next even...but someday maybe someone will be helped. Perhaps. Possibly.
This, in a nutshell, is the Light It Up Blue Campaign. Celebrities, fanfare. Lots and lots of big corporate sponsors. Parties. All in the name of helping the children.
Let us have a metaphorical look at how the real autism community (i.e. activists and parents who know what happened to their kids) feel about LIUB.
Imagine your life is thrust into shambles by a hurricane. Yes, you live in an area where hurricanes have happened before. But never to you. To other folks you know, sure. Never you though. Imagine, you've lost your home, your family, and you've spent the last two days pinned under the wreckage formerly known as your neighbor's garage, screaming for help (for many of us autism parents this is a very true word picture). Finally, under all that detritus, you hear muffled voices, people working toward you. All is not lost. Someone is here to help. You are starved, dehydrated, and your body is broken in too many place to even begin taking inventory. The pain is unbearable. You cannot move or speak.
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LJ Goes is a Contributing Editor for Age of Autism and Co-Founder of The Thinking Moms Revolution.
Posted by Age of Autism at April 12, 2013 at 4:46 AM
Check it out: http://www.ageofautism.com/2013/04/reaction-to-autism-action-the-unofficial-letter-of-reprimand.html
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)See previous related vetting work by AOA CONTRIBUTORS:
Google: stephen bustin site:ageofautism.com
Google: matt carey jake crosby
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Published on Mar 28, 2013
"Complementary and alternative medicine" (CAM) or, as it is increasingly called, "integrative medicine," is infiltrating our medical schools and academic medical centers, not to mention even the NIH itself. Acupuncture, reiki, healing touch, herbalism, and even homeopathy are less and less being viewed as quackery and more and more tolerated if not accepted in what should be bastions of science-based medicine. Dr. Gorski will discuss how this sad state of affairs came about, where we are now, and, hopefully, what can be done about it.
Link from 4/15/13 article: http://www.ageofautism.com/
proverbialwisdom
(4,959 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)The privileged few that presume to ride on the coattails of what everyone else has done to keep their kids safe.