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Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:18 AM Apr 2013

FAA Implements Flight Restrictions over Mayflower Oil Spill

MAYFLOWER, AR -- The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has placed flight restrictions on the airspace over the Mayflower oil spill.

According to FAA.gov, no pilots are to operate any aircraft over the area listing "Hazards" as the type of restriction.

The restrictions were issued shortly after 2:00 Monday afternoon, and are effective "until further notice," according to the website.

http://arkansasmatters.com/fulltext?nxd_id=650762

Wow.

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FAA Implements Flight Restrictions over Mayflower Oil Spill (Original Post) Canuckistanian Apr 2013 OP
LOL snooper2 Apr 2013 #1
Has this been posted before? Canuckistanian Apr 2013 #2
Not a pilot, but hootinholler Apr 2013 #8
I see them all the time Major Nikon Apr 2013 #16
The powers that be do not want people to see the truth. Planes and choppers photograph. Lint Head Apr 2013 #3
Then why is it only 1000ft AGL? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #6
The FAA amended the restriction because of complaints. Chris Hayes just confirmed. Lint Head Apr 2013 #13
Nothing indicates there was an update ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #14
A no fly zone can be anything the FAA determines is necessary at the time. Lint Head Apr 2013 #15
I checked it on a non FAA site. Only one NOTAM was ever formally issued ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #18
it doesn't apply to accredited news organizations onenote Apr 2013 #7
It does according to the FAA ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #9
14 CFR Section 91.137 onenote Apr 2013 #11
Interesting citation. Have to ask a CFII I know about it. ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #12
Here's the way that works Major Nikon Apr 2013 #17
Send in the drones pediatricmedic Apr 2013 #4
Drones are more restricted that general aviation ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #10
Funny thing about that non-oil RobertEarl Apr 2013 #5
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
1. LOL
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:22 AM
Apr 2013

I guess 20 more of these threads and everyone here will be able to pass the first basic pilots course

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
8. Not a pilot, but
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:43 AM
Apr 2013

Just a programmer who has worked on FAA systems that deal with TFRs and SUAs. This is SOP for this kind of issue. This was certainly not done to protect any oil company nor was it done to hinder the press who can file an IFR flight plan and get permission to fly under the 1000' ceiling if they can demonstrate that it is needed to get information they can't get from 1000'.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
16. I see them all the time
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 12:53 AM
Apr 2013

The FAA issues TFRs like this for all kinds of things including large sports events, fires, natural disasters, VIP traffic, etc.

For an event like this you'll have all sorts of media helicopters and other associated sight seeing flights trying to fly over. The FAA issues TFRs to keep the people who aren't trying to fix the problem out. It makes it safer for everyone involved.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
6. Then why is it only 1000ft AGL?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:02 AM
Apr 2013

That area is rural, so the normal limit is 500ft AGL

There is no issue for overflight for photography...1000ft is easy

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
13. The FAA amended the restriction because of complaints. Chris Hayes just confirmed.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:43 PM
Apr 2013

Exxon did not want a lot of media coverage.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
14. Nothing indicates there was an update
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 09:38 PM
Apr 2013

It went from what to what and when did that happen?

Normally the replace it if there was a change and the current one indicates it is an original

Lint Head

(15,064 posts)
15. A no fly zone can be anything the FAA determines is necessary at the time.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 11:51 PM
Apr 2013

Documentation is nothing but a guideline or regulation not a law. Watch Chris Hayes rerun or contact the FAA and ask.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
18. I checked it on a non FAA site. Only one NOTAM was ever formally issued
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:05 AM
Apr 2013

I did not find it on the reruns. Given how poorly non-aviators do with things aviation, my guess is that Chris Hayes got it wrong.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
9. It does according to the FAA
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:28 PM
Apr 2013

You can get cleared through it if need be (working on the spill) but other than that, there is no need to do that.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
11. 14 CFR Section 91.137
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:01 PM
Apr 2013

That is the section under which the flight restrictions were imposed. On its face, subsection 91.137(d)(4) provides that restrictions imposed under this section do not apply where "The aircraft is carrying properly accredited news representatives and, prior to entering that area, a flight plan is filed with the appropriate FSS or ATC facility specified in the NOTAM."

http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.137

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
12. Interesting citation. Have to ask a CFII I know about it.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:38 PM
Apr 2013

The TFR itself says:

Operating Restrictions and Requirements
No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered by this NOTAM (except as described).

But your citation is quite correct, though the detail in section c5 tends to look like the head bubba on the ground would block the approval.

As a practical matter, this is a good call by the FAA. It provides a safety zone but no effective limitations that would impact the media.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
17. Here's the way that works
Fri Apr 5, 2013, 01:00 AM
Apr 2013

If a TFR has been issued, you aren't going to get into that area without approval from the coordinating entity. It doesn't matter what you're doing. The FAA or the approving authority may give more leeway to aircraft with news people on board, but they are still going to be separated from responding aircraft. With only a 1,000' of vertical space in this instance, the chances of a news helicopter being allowed in when responding aircraft are in the area is pretty much nill.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. Funny thing about that non-oil
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:51 AM
Apr 2013

It is bitumen when raw. Basically = Tar.

Tar doesn't flow. So they mix it with water and who knows what else to get it to flow in a pipe. When you have something that is mixed with water it then mixes really easy with more water. Regular oil floats and mostly stays by itself. Not this stuff, it mixes readily in lakes and ponds and drainage ditches. They will never get is all up. Mayflower will be forever polluted.

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