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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:42 PM Apr 2013

Keep in mind: this guy's an NRA instructor...





Kenny, a 49-year-old licensed National Rifle Association instructor who leads training classes in pistol and rifle use, delivered his arguments in the front foyer of the two-family Edgewood Avenue house where he rents an upstairs apartment in the Edgewood neighborhood.

Wearing an NRA hooded sweatshirt, he had his left foot in a cast because he accidentally shot a bullet last week while cleaning his Glock handgun.

“I usually always cock it back and it usually ejects a shell that’s in the chamber,” he recalled. “You pull the trigger to release the slide ... This time there was a cartridge in there. And BANG! Hit my ankle.”

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Vazquez said his detectives are also still investigating the theft of a safe last November from Kenny’s apartment. It contained around 10 guns—mostly handguns, plus a Saiga 12 rifle. “I took a hit, $8,000 worth of firearms” in that theft, Kenny said.

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/gun_control/



Gosh, I wonder what the thieves did with them?
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2013/04/id-think-twice-about-taking-nra-course.html
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Keep in mind: this guy's an NRA instructor... (Original Post) kpete Apr 2013 OP
The guy has loser written all over him and... Bonhomme Richard Apr 2013 #1
Yes he does. He is a poster child for gun = penis. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #13
Something does not smell right about the theft. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2013 #23
YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT!!! Bay Boy Apr 2013 #28
He pointed the barrel of a firearm at HIS OWN FOOT??? Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #2
Yes, and says he "did the right thing" by not pointing it at his head. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #4
And others here wonder why people have a problem with them walking around armed. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #7
Would it still have been the "right thing" if it had ricocheted off the floor and killed someone? yellowcanine Apr 2013 #9
I read that and thought that the author has a rather black sense of humor. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #10
In his own words...... yellowcanine Apr 2013 #15
He conveyed his personal assessment of the subject rather succinctly. Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #17
He will make an excellent school guard newsboy Apr 2013 #3
^^^ SalviaBlue Apr 2013 #5
Just like on South Park......... rdharma Apr 2013 #6
My first thought as well. hifiguy Apr 2013 #30
One reason I dislike Glock... sarisataka Apr 2013 #8
Sounds like a defect to me. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #11
Pulling the slide sarisataka Apr 2013 #14
I wonder if they did a BAC at the hospital? Ikonoklast Apr 2013 #12
He did NOT eject the magazine/clip as the first step? RC Apr 2013 #16
Since he was a "stickler for safety" of course he did. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #20
Negligent discharge Fumesucker Apr 2013 #18
The guy lives in an upstairs apartment..... Bonhomme Richard Apr 2013 #19
Rule #1: Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction. Arger68 Apr 2013 #21
Keying it up... Oilwellian Apr 2013 #22
shaking my head.... SniperG Apr 2013 #24
Another law-abiding, reasonsible, legal gun owner... 99Forever Apr 2013 #25
You rack the sucker, watch for a round to eject. IF you have fully retracted the slide rustydog Apr 2013 #26
But...but guns stop criminals! Wayne LaPierre said so! muntrv Apr 2013 #27
Everybody knows... dickensknitter Apr 2013 #29

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
13. Yes he does. He is a poster child for gun = penis.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:36 PM
Apr 2013

And there is this.... A self-described “stickler about safety,”

I guess we know what his judgment is worth.

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
28. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO SAY THAT!!!
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 08:02 PM
Apr 2013

At least that is something I was told on a different thread about a lady in Georgia.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
2. He pointed the barrel of a firearm at HIS OWN FOOT???
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:52 PM
Apr 2013

He didn't visually inspect the chamber to see if a round was present?

HE ASSUMED IT WAS EMPTY????



Oy.

He's just lucky he only shot and wounded himself, and didn't kill anyone else.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
4. Yes, and says he "did the right thing" by not pointing it at his head.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:11 PM
Apr 2013

You can't make this shit up no matter how hard you try.

"And how he did the right thing—saving his life—by pointing the gun toward the ground, not at his head or chest, as he cleaned it."

http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/gun_control/

If I were in a gun safety class and found out that the instructor shot himself in the foot while certified as a gun safety instructor I would walk out and ask for my money back.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
7. And others here wonder why people have a problem with them walking around armed.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:16 PM
Apr 2013

"I'm safe!" they exclaim.

"I've never accidentally discharged a firearm!" they boast.

"You don't have to worry about me!" they cry.



Yes, I do.

Everyone makes mistakes, EVERYONE.

I don't want to die for their first ever fuck-up.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
9. Would it still have been the "right thing" if it had ricocheted off the floor and killed someone?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:23 PM
Apr 2013

How anyone rationalizes any thing "right" about shooting themselves in the foot is beyond me.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
10. I read that and thought that the author has a rather black sense of humor.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:30 PM
Apr 2013

It did seem to be rather mocking in tone, but, what do I know?

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
15. In his own words......
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:39 PM
Apr 2013

A good writer will often convey much more by putting down exactly what someone says rather than trying to interpret it.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
17. He conveyed his personal assessment of the subject rather succinctly.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:49 PM
Apr 2013

Very well couldn't have written, "Then the dumbass shot himself in the foot, because he's a bleeding moron", but we got the message anyway.


Brevity is indeed the soul of wit.


SalviaBlue

(2,917 posts)
5. ^^^
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:12 PM
Apr 2013

If this doesn't prove how ridiculous the NRA trained school guard idea is, I don't know what would.

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
8. One reason I dislike Glock...
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:18 PM
Apr 2013

the only reason to ever pull a trigger should be to fire the gun.

Beyond that, so much fail I don't know where to begin. He needs to go back to class as a student before ever touching a gun again.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
11. Sounds like a defect to me.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:30 PM
Apr 2013

Also seems to me there should be a way to remove a shell from the chamber without having to cock it. That seems like a defect as well.

sarisataka

(18,663 posts)
14. Pulling the slide
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:37 PM
Apr 2013

is the only way which will remove a round from an auto loader, which also cocks it. A person is supposed to look to make sure the round is gone on the rare chance the round does not eject.
I usually instruct people to do it 3 times to be sure- ridiculous redundancy pays off if it keeps you from shooting yourself or someone one time.

Most guns you do not need to pull the trigger at any point. For those that you must, it makes sense, to put the barrel on something like a thick phone book to at least slow the round if you missed seeing it those three times.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
16. He did NOT eject the magazine/clip as the first step?
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:45 PM
Apr 2013
THEN work the action to eject the shell in the chamber, in that order?
I don't claim to know much about guns, but removing the magazine first, then working the action, is the way I would do it.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
20. Since he was a "stickler for safety" of course he did.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 03:19 PM
Apr 2013

I assume I don't need a sarcasm smiley for that one....

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
18. Negligent discharge
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 02:51 PM
Apr 2013

He needs to put his story up here..

If you go digging on the site there are some gruesome pics, be warned.

http://negligentdischarge.com/

Arger68

(679 posts)
21. Rule #1: Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 04:02 PM
Apr 2013

From the NRA's own website:

The fundamental NRA rules for safe gun handling are:

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.

2. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
When holding a gun, rest your finger on the trigger guard or along the side of the gun. Until you are actually ready to fire, do not touch the trigger.

http://training.nra.org/nra-gun-safety-rules.aspx

You'd think an NRA instructor would at least follow the simplest of gun safety rules????

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
26. You rack the sucker, watch for a round to eject. IF you have fully retracted the slide
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 07:30 PM
Apr 2013

it will lock in place and you can visually inspect the weapon to ensure it is TRULY unloaded, then you THUMB the release to close the slide. Unless you get careless and pull the trigger because it is faster.
But he is the subject matter expert and already knew that...

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