All of us who have been following politics (especially since 2000) know the GOP will cheat, lie, or steal to win. And if you've followed the crimes of 2004, it's HIGHLY PROBABLE they will kill as well.

As they grow more desperate facing the fact they will never win again unless they change, we can only expect it to get worse.

Cliff Arnebeck and Bob Fitrakis came close to getting Karl Rove indicted over the 2004 election and no doubt spoiled his plans in 2008 and 2012. Rat Rove and his henchmen need to feel the passionate hot breath of prosecution on their asses with every dishonest step they take.

Let's help Cliff all we can!

I'm sure Cliff will be delighted! I'm very pleased to be working this closely with him, almost jumped out of my skin when I saw that he had posted at DU a couple of weeks ago, as I/we so admired what he and Bob Fitrakis did in 2004.

I just posted @ my FB page, hoping for some broader coverage.

Thanks, Ellen. Bob and I really appreciate all you are doing.

For those in this forum who have not been following the discussion of our problem with Republican election theft and political assassinations, being so nicely portrayed on ABC TV's Scandal series, here are the links:

Karl Rove, Architect of the biggest bribe in history! http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022628229

How Karl Rove fixed the FBI investigation of his theft of the 2004 Presidential election in Ohio http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022560634

Cliff

Republican Party stealing elections and killing people is the main point of Scandal. It's force of habit for these guys.

Thank you for your words of support, and contribution. All it takes is enough of us to achieve critical mass. We do not need the 1%.

Bob Fitrakis has upped the profile of his fund-raising on the FreePress.org website as well, and his CICJ is th fiscal agent for our ElectionProtecitonAction.org 501(c)(3) contributions.

Cliff

We have at least one, of whom I know. . . who supported Susan Truitt's outstanding work in 2004, our effort behind a challenge on the floor of Congress in January 2005, our effort to support Stephen Spoonamore's collaboration with Mike Connell in 2008, and Jill Simpson and Jim March's march around the country to smoke out Karl Rove's electronic vote theft empire in 2012. She wants to remain anonymous, but Bob Fitrakis and I are very appreciative of her help, sometimes in the face of heavy criticism from other one per-centers.

Cliff

I should add a second that I know of. It was an anonymous donation of $5,000. I am pretty sure it was from Paul Newman. It originated from a Democratic Club in the Los Angeles area of which Paul Newman was an active member. Paul Newman was originally from Ohio and the contribution was made to support our contest of the Presidential election of 2004 before the Ohio Supreme Court.

and thanks for the KICK and REC!

Thanks for this wonderful level of commitment and support,

Cliff

Thank you, octoberlib!

Cliff

and went to court to help keep the criminality from stealing presidential and senatorial elections.

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/electionstrikeforce/2008/12/cliff_arnebeck_rove_is_a_commo.html

He continues in his efforts, and we admire and support his efforts.

Un-named "conspirator."

40 year gap in that conspirator's "exploits."

Saying Obama was "threatened," based on a story with no evidence whatsoever.

If Glenn Beck posted here about election fraud, would you take him seriously?
Alex Jones?

Obviously, no.

But some clown pops up out of the Left at Daily Kos with really wack job conspiracies and it's "Ooo! Ooo! Tell me more!"

'Arnebeck, Lead Attorney For Plaintiffs In Ohio RICO Lawsuit About 2004 Election, Also Says Rove "Destroyed Emails That Would Have Revealed His Role In Extending [Iraq] War."

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/electionstrikeforce/2008/12/cliff_arnebeck_rove_is_a_commo.html

I don't know what un-named "conspirator" or 40 year gap you're referring to, and I haven't relied on Daily Kos for some time, but I know something about law and about the Ohio 2004 litigation and I know that Cliff Arnebeck is no 'clown.'

I posted the Daily Kos thread where Arnebeck expresses his off-the-deep-end conspiracy theories.

Archae,

I am assuming you are not a Republican troll and are just not familiar with either the ABC TV Scandal series or the serial stealing and political assassinations that series portrays every week at 10 pm on Thursday.

I look forward to hearing from you in reply to my response to you on the thread: SCOTUS v. POTUS v. SCOTUS @ http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022675796

Cliff

Comparing Arnebeck to Beck is ridiculous. One of the ways the government discredits serious researchers and citizens who now know the truth about political assassinations in to put people like Alex Jones and other nut cases out there, and they get the $$ and the headlines. But not all conspiracies are created equal. For that reason, I call myself a Conspiracy Realist.

It takes a tremendous amount of study to understand the assassinations of JFK,RFK, MLK and MalcomX. The Fawning Corporate Media promote the poorest books like Posner and Bugliosi. John McAdams website is always at the top of a google search even though he has been severely discredited, and he is right wing racist(?) nut job.

But if you want to understand, read "JFK and the Unspeakable" by James Douglass. Very highly regarded in the research community. And if you want to understand that there is essentially no physical evidence against Oswald, read "IMpossible: the case against Lee Harvey Oswald" by Barry Krusch. (three volumes, but one will suffice. (if you think you know better, take the authors challenge: "But there is only one of them -- this one -- which comes backed with a better-than-a-moneyback guarantee: prove the conclusions of this book wrong before a jury of 12 arbitrators, and you get $60,000. Fail to prove it, and you pay the author nothing&quot

Coalition on Politcal Assassinatons (COPA) and Citizens for Truth on the Kennedy Assassination (CTKA) continually strive to get the facts out but of course, no help from Chris Matthews and his ilk. The researchers are formidable: James Douglass, Jim DiEugenio, John Judge, Dr Cyril Wecht, Dr David Mantic, Dr Aguilar, Mark Lane,....skip about 20 names to get back to original researchers Harold Weisburg, Mae Brussel, Syliva Maegher and others (whose work as stood the test of time).

I am in complete agreement with Cliff Arnebeck. I believe that our secret government/MI complex killed JFK/MLK/RFK. But that was messy, people did read the Warren Commission, a brave District Attorney (Garrison) pressed charges and released the Zapgruder film...which, please remember, YOU were NOT supposed to see.

It was too messy. How exactly do you kill a President and then his brother who would have challenged your power, maybe even your life, and convince the public that it was a lone nut? Kill all the liberal leaders, and blame all on a lone nut? Even on the surface, it does not pass the smell test. Add to that the factual evidence uncovered over 45-50 years. Media distortion is the only excuse left for the public's confusion.

They decided that they could use other methods to ensure that we never, ever get to vote for an AntiWar President, except ones that they have already discredited. (The only exception was Carter, and they took him out of a second term via October Surprise/hostage/treason...but I digress) Needless to say, one of the other methods is Stolen Elections, another is control of the media.

10 points of agreement on Political Assassinations: http://politicalassassinations.com/2012/10/10-points-of-agreement-on-political-assassinations/ POINT ONE
WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY “THEORIES”, WE WORK WITH FACTUAL EVIDENCE OF CONSPIRACY IN UNSOLVED CRIMES

I strongly believe that stolen elections is a replacement strategy for assassinating liberal leaders.

And so far, you've done just the same.

Garrison was a grandstanding wack who based almost all his "prosecution" on what a guy with mental illness told him.

The movie "JFK" was 99.999% fiction.
Oliver Stone is a Jew-hating nutcase.
It took the jury in that case, including them having lunch, a little less than an hour and a half to find Clay Shaw innocent.

Guess what.
Shit happens.

A rabid Confederate sympathizer killed a president.

A guy who was insane fatally wounded another.

A guy so far-left he couldn't even stand the Soviet Union decided to kill a far-right former general. He missed.
The same guy shot and killed a president who he was convinced was too far-right for *HIS* point of view.

Another guy who hated Israel shot and killed a politician running for president who he thought was too pro-Israel.

A racist pig shot and killed a black leader.

A certified nut (who had been in ad out of mental hospitals came -> <- this close to killing another president.

Now put up or shut up.
Show you have any *CREDIBLE* evidence of your wild stories.

Dwight Eisenhower--no conspiracy theorist--warned us of the danger posed to our nation by a "military industrial complex." He did not warn us about lone nut cases and fanatics who would murder his successor, his successor's brother and the greatest spiritual leader of their generation. The lone nut/fanatic theory for these assassinations was advanced by what I refer to as the private military security enterprise based in Enterprise, Alabama, the most murderous organized crime operating in the U.S. They have been killing people for a long time to protect their highly profitable criminal enterprises. More recently they have taken up election theft as part of their operation.

Karl Rove is the leader of this group's election theft operation. Rove may be a nut, but he does not act alone. He uses professionals, and yes, it is a group of conspirators--fact, not theory. Exit polls are the international gold standard for detecting election fraud--they are what we and the rest of the world relied upon to dispute the Ukrainian Presidential election in 2004. The exit polls showed unequivocally that our 2004 Presidential election was stolen. Rove peddled the theory that our exit polls were a conspiracy against Republicans and should be disregarded.

Scandal is putting these sobering facts out there for all the world to see. It's telling the truth. Hilliary Clinton said there was a "vast right wing conspiracy." She was in a position to know, just as was President Eisenhower.

The private military security enterprise is still performing strategic political assassinations. They told Rove's top IT guru, Mike Connell that he was to take the fall for the 2004 Presidential election theft in Ohio. He would not. He told the truth when we took his deposition on November 5, 2008. They arranged for Mike Connell's airplane to take the fall for him. An insider sent the FBI an after action report that described how Mike's navigation system was fixed in the early morning of December 19, 2008, so that Mike's instruments indicated he was going one way, when he was actually flying straight down to the ground.

It is a right wing Republican cabal that is committing murders of Democrats and thefts of elections from Democrats. That's what all the forensic scientific evidence indicates. Don't allow yourself to be conned by Right Wing Republican thugs into accepting either their lone nut case political assassination theories or their election exit poll conspiracy theories. They conspire to lie, steal and murder, in a highly professional way, utilizing state-of-the-art technology, so that their highly profitable criminal enterprises will continue to prosper.

That's what "Scandal" is telling us. It's the truth presented in fictional form so it can be told. Karl Rove admits it, Karl Rove does it--right there on national broadcast television. His name is not used, so we can know the truth.

Who, (give us a name, not this imaginary "conspirator&quot was the guy who was instrumental in JFK's killing, and the computer program in 2004 that re-elected Bush?

Put up or shut up.

And "Scandal" is *FICTION,* idiot.
Nothing more.

When I name or subpoena him in a court case, I will be name him. Until then, it would not be prudent for me to do so.

I will name a couple of the leaders of the Enterprise to which I have referred, based upon reliable information: Cliff Wentworth, an attorney in Miami, Florida who developed its drug operation and Billy Grice, who orchestrated major assassinations, including the assassination of Judge Robert Vance of the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals, and international weapons deals, including advanced avionics and nuclear fuel.

BTW, Archae, speaking of names, are you really our old fictional friend Archie Bunker? Or the guy who played him, Carroll O'Connor, one of whose places at Malibu was next door to my high school classmate Goldie Hawn's beach house? Come on now. . . fess up!

Go figure...



Hey Cliff !!!

Is Archae serving as a foil for our efforts here? Ellen's thread has been getting a lot more views since Archae has been "attacking" me and my colleagues.

The assassination of Judge Robert Vance was accomplished by a bomb contained in a package delivered to his home, disguised to appear to be Christmas present from one of his judicial colleagues. Two similar bombs were sent: 1) to an attorney for the NAACP, who was killed by its explosion and 2) to another judicial officer, which bomb was discovered and deactivated before reaching its intended target. The senior officer of the Southern Company involved in its audit committee's investigation of missing nuclear fuel was assassinated by means of an barometric bomb placed in his company airplane.

Billy Grice of the Enterprise had been head supply officer at Fort Rucker. Grice had befriended Walter Moody, the person charged and convicted of the assassination of Judge Vance, in federal prison where Moody was serving time for crime related to a bomb he had made.

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Hey, Archae, where did you go? I have posted names and sources, and a couple of questions of you.

"Conspiracy theory" is the label right wing propagandists put upon those who seek to investigate, expose and prosecute RW conspiracies.

They assert various theories: suicide, accident, lone nut case assassin, computer glitch, and left-wing conspiracy, by which to claim innocence of the right wing for any responsibility for a political assassination or election theft or apparent irregularity as suggested by exit polls, for example.

I prefer this term to that of the "military industrial complex" used by President Eisenhower and your reference to the complicity of our government and/or its agencies because, when engaged in criminal activity any person so engaged is acting in a private capacity. Furthermore, the private benefit accruing to such persons from their criminal activity outweighs their compensation from the public treasury. This is private criminal enterprise--not the work of government.

I am told there are people over at Daily Kos who are paid by the criminal gang of thugs who assassinate Democrats and steal their elections to attack anyone who reports facts about them as conspiracy theorists.

I must say no one has ever compared me to Glenn Beck before.

Yes, double thanks, WillyT, maybe even triple thanks,

Cliff

support Cliff et al's work and just because some feel the necessity to disparage him with obtuse labels doesn't make them valid it just makes them small on many levels, IMHO.

Helps to 'Kick' the threads to get attention occasionally, beyond rec, and there are 2 others, one in Politics 2013, and one in Election Reform.

Thanks very much for your enthusiastic support!

I suspect Archae of being a kindred spirit, provocatively challenging us to stimulate a productive thread.

Thanks, again, again and again, Ellen!

Cliff

I posted this yesterday, today I am seeing the message "post deleted by author". But I did not delete it. Please advise, I do not post on DU on a regular basis...

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Comparing Arnebeck to Beck is ridiculous. One of the ways the government discredits serious researchers and citizens who now know the truth about political assassinations in to put people like Alex Jones and other nut cases out there, and they get the $$ and the headlines. But not all conspiracies are created equal. For that reason, I call myself a Conspiracy Realist.

It takes a tremendous amount of study to understand the assassinations of JFK,RFK, MLK and MalcomX. The Fawning Corporate Media promote the poorest books like Posner and Bugliosi. John McAdams website is always at the top of a google search even though he has been severely discredited, and he is right wing racist(?) nut job.

But if you want to understand, read "JFK and the Unspeakable" by James Douglass. Very highly regarded in the research community. And if you want to understand that there is essentially no physical evidence against Oswald, read "IMpossible: the case against Lee Harvey Oswald" by Barry Krusch. (three volumes, but one will suffice. (if you think you know better, take the authors challenge: "But there is only one of them -- this one -- which comes backed with a better-than-a-moneyback guarantee: prove the conclusions of this book wrong before a jury of 12 arbitrators, and you get $60,000. Fail to prove it, and you pay the author nothing&quot

Coalition on Politcal Assassinatons (COPA) and Citizens for Truth on the Kennedy Assassination (CTKA) continually strive to get the facts out but of course, no help from Chris Matthews and his ilk. The researchers are formidable: James Douglass, Jim DiEugenio, John Judge, Dr Cyril Wecht, Dr David Mantic, Dr Aguilar, Mark Lane,....skip about 20 names to get back to original researchers Harold Weisburg, Mae Brussel, Syliva Maegher and others (whose work as stood the test of time).

I am in complete agreement with Cliff Arnebeck. I believe that our secret government/MI complex killed JFK/MLK/RFK. But that was messy, people did read the Warren Commission, a brave District Attorney (Garrison) pressed charges and released the Zapgruder film...which, please remember, YOU were NOT supposed to see.

It was too messy. How exactly do you kill a President and then his brother who would have challenged your power, maybe even your life, and convince the public that it was a lone nut? Kill all the liberal leaders, and blame all on a lone nut? Even on the surface, it does not pass the smell test. Add to that the factual evidence uncovered over 45-50 years. Media distortion is the only excuse left for the public's confusion.

They decided that they could use other methods to ensure that we never, ever get to vote for an AntiWar President, except ones that they have already discredited. (The only exception was Carter, and they took him out of a second term via October Surprise/hostage/treason...but I digress) Needless to say, one of the other methods is Stolen Elections, another is control of the media.

10 points of agreement on Political Assassinations: http://politicalassassinations.com/2012/10/10-points-of-agreement-on-political-assassinations/ POINT ONE
WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY “THEORIES”, WE WORK WITH FACTUAL EVIDENCE OF CONSPIRACY IN UNSOLVED CRIMES

I strongly believe that stolen elections is a replacement strategy for assassinating liberal leaders.

Pete, I think the post to which you were responding was deleted by its author, not yours.

Danny Sheehan told me he had one of his top investigators look at the Paul Wellstone airplane crash. It was determined to have been an assassination. So liberal leaders are still being assassinated in the 21st century. They have just let up on killing Presidents.

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Pete,

I have just posted to the Ten-points of agreement website the following reply:

"Clifford Arnebeck
April 20, 2013 at 4:00 am
There are a large number of political assassinations of which I am aware. Had the truth about the assassinations of JFK, MLK and RFK been properly investigated, reported and judicially determined, these subsequent many assassinations, that have not even been recognized as such, would not likely have occurred."

In my earlier reply to your comment I mentioned the political assassination of U.S. Senator Paul Wellstone, which, of course also includes his wife. Elsewhere, I have mentioned the reported political assassination of Michael Connell, Karl Rove's IT guru and a very good and honest man. I have also described the assassination of Eleventh Circuit Court Judge Robert Vance as having been, as originally described by the FBI as a "political assassination conspiracy," as exactly that, rather than the act of a lone assassin by the name of Walter Moody.

The death of Ray Lemme has now been widely chronicled as a political assassination, rather than the suicide it was superficially made to appear.

There are five additional deaths which, I believe, may have been well-disguised political assassinations.

The cover-up of political assassinations is worse than the original crimes, because their successful cover-up assures that strategic political assassinations will continue to be a common occurrence--hopefully not as common as now being portrayed on ABC TV's Scandal Series.

Thanks Cliff & elleng!