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The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 07:55 PM Apr 2013

Rode my bike to the Marathon station a few weeks back.

I am going to toss out a few things here, my bike is one of them:

I don't have a car anymore. So when I needed a few things late one night I hopped on the bike and went to the gas station.

Living in the hood is not always fun. The gas station is a well known place to get drugs. 24x7 there is always someone outside to sell you just about anything. A lot of addicts here and theft is through the roof.

If I had left my bike outside I am sure that within a minute it would be gone. I took it in with me. The guy who runs the place understood when I parked it near the coffee machines and told him I didn't want to leave it outside.

Had it been stolen I would be a victim of theft. But just about anyone, including the cops, would have asked me why would I - knowing what I know - do such a dumb thing? Would not be much sympathy I am sure.

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There is a difference between blaming a victim and questioning why they put themselves into a spot where they could be one. Every year at Christmas I see the news telling people not to leave packages in your car where others can see them. To help reduce your chances of being a victim of crime.

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Ok...so what? I think what some of it boils down to, the above mentality, comes into play when we talk about rape (as one issue). And I am thinking of Steubenville and other places here.

Why go to a party and drink when you are underage (and it is illegal) with a lot of people you know are probably wanting to get laid?

You put yourself into that position and to make matters worse you did something you should not have been doing so why are you surprised by the outcome? Don't want that to happen? Don't put yourself into a spot where it could happen. You weren't raped sitting at home with your family watching tv shows.

Our society now focuses more on what people should do so that they are not victims than on what we can do to stop people from being victims from assholes who want to rape/steal/etc.

"you had it coming" is not just applied to one thing - it is all over. You answered that email from Nigeria for funds? Idiot.

We don't feel sorry for victims anymore, we see them as part of the problem for not doing more to not become victims.

We have become so jaded that we expect to be ripped off, to have wall street screw us over, to be raped, robbed, etc. When someone is raped we look at why they were and how they could have not put themselves into a position to be raped. Time and time again we look at victims of crimes and have people ask 'why didn't you make better choices' instead of looking at the people who did the crimes and condemning them.

Folks like me, you, etc, should learn how to avoid being victims. Which is not bad on the face of it but when you get right down to it if our resources were used properly we wouldn't need to worry about it so much.

Cops, which I pay for here, don't sit at the gas station to prevent these things. They are out there getting the real money - someone going over the speed limit a few miles - people who work and can afford to pay the fines. Expired tags or a headlight out. Bust a small time dealer? He does not have any real income you can take or wages you can garnish.

People are not victims, they are outcomes of their own choices. And that is the mentality that we need to fix. From wall street to a gas station to rape.




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Rode my bike to the Marathon station a few weeks back. (Original Post) The Straight Story Apr 2013 OP
So what happens if you parked your bike next to coffee machine, and it still got stolen? Brickbat Apr 2013 #1
Actually...I am moving The Straight Story Apr 2013 #2
Sorry, but doing "dumb" things is perfectly legal. Warpy Apr 2013 #3
+1 Gormy Cuss Apr 2013 #6
Do you believe that US policy in the ME had anything to do with 9/11? The Straight Story Apr 2013 #7
Wow! Nice red herring! Warpy Apr 2013 #8
Knowing there are a lot of people there who want to get laid gollygee Apr 2013 #4
You're forgetting what it's like to be a ... surrealAmerican Apr 2013 #5
wow, time to rethink returning from your DU break if you're going to blame victims CreekDog Apr 2013 #9

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
1. So what happens if you parked your bike next to coffee machine, and it still got stolen?
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 07:58 PM
Apr 2013

You thought you did everything right. Maybe you should move, instead.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
3. Sorry, but doing "dumb" things is perfectly legal.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 08:09 PM
Apr 2013

People are completely allowed to do them, whether through ignorance or inattention. The fault always lies with the thief. I do wish cops and second guessers would learn this one fact.

That being said, I invested in a hefty u-lock that cost almost as much as the bike did. If there was nothing to lock it to, I took the front wheel off and locked it to the back. That was enough to get thieves to turn their attention to bikes that weren't as securely locked. I just didn't want to deal with the hassle of getting it stolen.

However, anyone who ever tried to victim blame me for anything got an earful. Victims of crime don't do anything wrong. They're not in the wrong place, they're not dressed the wrong way, and it's not the wrong time of day.

All the wrong belongs to the predators.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
7. Do you believe that US policy in the ME had anything to do with 9/11?
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 11:09 PM
Apr 2013

I recall after 9/11 that some in liberal circles brought up our past history in the ME - the idea was not that we deserved it (though some claim that is what we were saying, that we were blaming the victim) but that we should not have been surprised at what had happened because of our policies.

We blamed the perps and condemned them (although some here still believe there were no planes, etc) but pointed out that maybe, just maybe, things we have done in other countries might just affect others in a way that makes some in those countries want to do such things.

--- Right to the point here (and I agreed with you in the OP btw):

Where do we draw the line in all of this? US policy across the globe results in things like 9/11, etc, but that does not excuse those who do such actions. But we also say, from a liberal view, that if we stop doing things like sanctions, imperialism, etc and so on, we would see less of such things - and while I agree with that some could, and have, seen that as blaming the victim.

When an individual acts in certain ways do they 'invite' things? I don't personally feel they do - BUT one can see how others might well see their actions as doing such. Hence the people who, when a woman says she was raped, will question her as to why she was at such and such a party, why was she drinking when she was not old enough, etc and so on. Others might see things from a view that they are kept down by the wealthy and that stealing is OK and if wall street had not done the things they have done they wouldn't need to do what they do (and they could note that wall street stole and got away with it).

In both liberal and conservative spheres we see instances where people make excuses for the actions of others and blame the victims for what others have done (in a manner of speaking).

Within our sphere we apply that to countries and such. In the sphere of others they apply it to personal choices.

Until we drill down, and get others to, that being a victim is not an action from the victim we will have problems with everything from rape to terrorism to theft in that juries, families, etc will try to find a way to show that the victim somehow should have done something different.

Warpy

(111,277 posts)
8. Wow! Nice red herring!
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 11:54 PM
Apr 2013

Much bigger and more solidly built than the usual!

Congratulations!

Now take him out and play with him.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
4. Knowing there are a lot of people there who want to get laid
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 08:11 PM
Apr 2013

doesn't equate to knowing there are rapists there.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
5. You're forgetting what it's like to be a ...
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 08:13 PM
Apr 2013

...naive kid. You, as an adult, are in a better position to understand the risks of your behavior than some inexperienced kid. Part of your understanding may even have come from your own prior experience, your peers experiences, near misses, or former victimization.

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