That's going to mess with some Freeper minds.

to change Islam into a race. Cause now they realize that all Muslim are not brown people with Arabic names.

Caucasians originate from the region.

than Russians. Don't know anything about motive though yet.

Just like Iranians largely despise being called "Arabs".

before they sought refuge in Kyrzykstan and then the US.

So much for racial profiling.

My son-in-law is Muslim. Granted he's from Australia which doesn't seem to be a jihadist hotbed, but still I hate the thought of religious profiling. There are upwards of a billion Muslims in the world.

good in this whole thing, that is it...that they are caucasian, not black or brown.

another DU post whose entire objective is race baiting.

You jump to conclusions about what I meant, don't bother to ask for clarification, and I'm the idiot?

Wow. I'd welcome you here but I don't think you will be here long enough to bother.

(shaking head in disbelief)

but they may get the feeling that if the person were dark skinned, then a lot of dark skinned people suddenly feel very uncomfortable in America. They will experience blowback. I don't think that would happen to quite that extent with white perps.

But I understand that it sounds like a questionable comment.

what I meant.

Before the photos of the suspects were released, I was afraid that if they were brown or black, and if those photos were to be shown, that would lead to some very nasty things happening to innocent brown or black people by individuals looking for "justice".

When I saw that they were NOT brown or black, I was relieved. At least no brown or black people would be targeted by angry or prejudiced individuals.

That will give you some insight into the general sentiment.

In short: When a member of a minority group is found guilty, the entire group is susceptible to profiling. To wit: The Muslim woman who was punched in the shoulder yesterday by a white man because he assumed a fellow Muslim was responsible.

When a white perp is guilty, no profiling. That is the thrust of the article.

http://www.salon.com/2013/04/16/lets_hope_the_boston_marathon_bomber_is_a_white_american/

DU over the past few days has been FILLED with profiling. It is just a combination of white AND a particular political philosophy, as opposed to just white.

I admit, I did it myself. When I heard what happened, and considered the date, McVeigh and Nichols immediately came to mind. But I did not say it HAD to be white guys, just that it was a possibility. And I did not HOPE it was any particular race, nationality, whatever (paging Mr. Sirota). I HOPED it was a nightmare, and I would wake up, and people were not dead and maimed.

Times like this I wish there WAS a God so either they could help us, or we could blame them.

Nobody ran around beating on blond white guys after Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah Building.

Nobody ran around beating up on middle aged white guys after Ted Kaczynski did his bombings.

Nobody attacked young white men after Eric Rudolph set off that bomb in Atlanta.

There are too many people in this country who eagerly look for excuses to attack minorities. I'm glad they didn't have a chance to do it this time.

it suddenly becomes open season on dark-skinned people in America?

Funny how some white people pull the racism card on their own behalf all the time but never notice blatant racism when it is directed toward minorities.

So where did all the low post responders on this particular comment of Pipi's come from? Hmmm?

You clearly have never been targeted based on your race. If these guys turned out to be brown-skinned there would be a feeding frenzy. Innocent people would have been victimized. Who is attacking random white people just because these two guys are white? Who is indicting all of white America based on these two individuals' actions? No one. And no one ever would do such a thing. But yesterday when people were still looking for brown-skinned Muslims to target, at least one poor Muslim woman was physically attacked while pushing her baby in a stroller.

So what you say? And you whine on about racism against white people! Pfffft.

1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2
: racial prejudice or discrimination

So what racial group in this country proclaims its superiority on a daily basis? You poor poor victim of racism. Christ on trailer hitch! Funny how often people of color are told to quit being overly sensitive. Yet the same folks who dismiss racism against people of color never fail to try and make it all about them instead. Some white people seem a bit thinskinned to me.

I say this as a half white person which to most white people means NONWHITE.

I am a woman and I posted the dictionary definition for you low post person who just happened to show up with the others including Jim Rob to weigh in on this topic.

Please tell us how any person of color in America has ever met the definition of racism? The part that includes being part of a dominant group that claims their superiority based on skin color?

Another low post victim though rushes to sign on to DU to cry about racism.

I must have missed it. I see one auto-name-removed.
Who else? You calling us FReepers?

JimRob posted on this thread for crying out loud. Freepers are piling on Pipi. I did not mean you.

it looks like you're exaggerating about the number of suspicious newbies, or I misunderstood. But then again, I would not at all be surprised if this thread were being featured at one of our stalker sites. (Not that I care about those pathetic creeps).

Oh well. It's not a big deal to me.

In the deepest darkest places where the sun don't shine. Too bad they don't use their own forums to educate themselves. Too busy slavishly following our conversations! Silly little stalkers.

Racism is racism.

We will never have peace or justice until that is understood.

I don't think you should be happy that they are white skinned.

You have no idea whether it is Islamic terrorism or not.

But, that was accepted because people "knew" it was tea-baggers. Now, I am not ready to form a solid opinion just yet but, as the picture is coming into focus, this appears much more likely.

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all week, when they weren't blaming Arabs.

but everyone was speculating. We still are. A lot of possible suspects.

No, wait... you may be right. Teabagger style terrorism, for one, only wants whites.

You never seem to mention that. ... Like those fucksticks who bomb abortion clinics.

your glee over their being white is as grotesque as freeper glee over their being Muslim and you have an ugly history of crap like your earlier op on the ricin mailing guy and how he couldn't possibly really be mentally ill and how "they" are making that up because he's white.

Shameful. Gloating over the skin color of the bombers... I am ashamed of this OP.

not "gloating over the skin color".

Being glad that no innocent brown or black people will pay for the crimes of a couple of bombers who might have been brown or black.

Being glad that the Freepers who were no doubt insisting that it must have been a couple of brown or black skinned individuals now have to swallow their words.

It's disgusting that so many here are so invested in calling others "racists" that they can't even see the goddamned forest for the trees.

Absolutely disgusting.

Thank you for having the guts to explain why many people of color feared the reaction of FR types if the individuals were discovered to be dark-skinned.

If you have a reasonable point to make, you did a terrible, terrible job of expressing it. Maybe you should self-delete your initial post.

delete anything just because a few individuals with limited critical thinking skills couldn't figure it out.

They will be known as foreign Islamic terrorist.

That is all people will remember.

do Muslim Chechen's qualify as Russian or White? I mean one could definitely say that the people of the Caucasus are white, but genetic examination would show they are a mix of Russian, Caucasus peoples, Persians, Arabs, possibly Mongolians with a touch of Turkic thrown in. So I guess you could say they are partial Russians that are also comprised of several non European and non white ethnic groups. But I am pretty sure you want to say no such thing.

But Albanians are a mixture of Albanian and Turkic.....Again Chechens are not Russians and given their ethnic heritage they would be classified as two or more races. Same as Albanians. I don't get this desire to label them white, black, brown, etc.....Label them what they are. Wishcasting is not an effective way to work. These two young men are Chechen that means they are two or more races and they are Muslim. They aren't white, they aren't brown.....they are a mixture of the two.

And please see my original post, I am well versed in Islam and Ethnicities of Central Asia and the Middle East.

I am not angry, just confused why someone is trying to stick a label on these guys that doesnt fit.

If you split the world up genetically, Chechnya is definitely in the area would say is 'white'. The language isn't Indo-European, but is closely tied to the Caucuses and nowhere else. Their skin colour is 'white'.

A genetic analysis of many ethnicities: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/02/28/are-there-human-races/

Notice that the Middle East, Afghanistan and northern Indian areas are in the same group as the European ones.

with you linguistically. However if we are going to call them white, then I am white. My parents are from Mexico and we are part Spanish part Native American. We are most definitely not white. We are not classified as white. The same thing holds true for Chechens, they are non Indo-European with a Turkish admixture. So are Turks white? Because Kyrgyz, Uighurs and Yakuts would definitely disagree and they are all Turks.

But again we are getting wrapped up on what they are not. They are not Russian, and depending on classification, they are either part white or not white. I don't care what they are not, I care what they are. They are mixed race/ethnicity who in this case APPEAR to be Muslim. Nothing wrong with being Muslim until you set off pressure cookers to kill little kids.

Though I would say that genetically Turkey fits in with the surrounding areas - ie basically 'white'. It wasn't a wholesale replacement of the population when the ruling Turks arrived.

Take your pic, Russian occupation, Ottoman control of the fringes of Chechen territory, occupation by Turkic Tatar groups for short periods of time, and occupation for short periods of time by Mongolian soldiers. You are absolutely correct that a complete replacement did not take place. But an admixture did, the same way an admixture took place in my parents native Mexico. Many indigenous natives died due to disease in Mexico, but many survived and they mingled with the Spanish and other European immigrants to produce something new. Not quite white, not quite brown. The same thing happened on a smaller scale in Chechnya, but it did happen. If you want to call the Chechens solely white, be my guest, I have no desire to stop you. I am pretty certain the haplotypes for Chechen's show R1a which is Eastern European/Caucasus and Haplotype G which is classfied South Asian and Caucasus. I am comfortable calling them a mixture, right at the edge where Europe ends and the Middle East/Asia begins

So, you know, there's that.

The women in the family are said to where hijabs. Listening to NPR right now.

what I meant up above when I said I was glad the two suspects were WHITE, here is my explanation...

At least nobody will be running around beating up on brown or black people.

Nobody will be attacking Middle Eastern people IN RETALIATION.


THAT is what I meant.

Now get over yourselves already, OK?

Why don't you all stop and THINK about what someone might mean before jumping to conclusions.

Good god.

they're Muslims so people have and will target anyone they perceive to be Muslim.

duh.

isn't quite as obvious as being brown or black.

There are more brown and black people in the streets than people who "look" obviously Muslim.

And really, if they're going after Muslims, it's because the news stations are reporting them as being Muslims.

It's a whole lot different than being brown or black, which is apparent from a photo and can't be hidden.

duh

way to miss the facts, sweetums.

the people that have been and will be attacked are brown skinned because those folks are the ones that idiots identify first as being Muslim.

Furthermore, it doesn't take news stations for people to go after Muslims. You are on the internet. And in case you haven't noticed, you are not alone.

Furthermore, if a woman, for instance, is wearing a hijab she may be attacked no matter what her complexion. That happened yesterday.

Muslims for being Muslims really shouldn't be given even MORE reasons for attacking dark skinned people.

Which is what would have happened had those suspects' photos shown them as being dark skinned.

All I can say is that I'm glad no innocent dark-skinned people were attacked because of some photos of dark skinned suspects.

If you're not happy about that, then I guess that's your issue.

Whatever.

It is being reported, at least on NPR, that both the brothers are from a very observant Muslim family, that the women wear hijabs, etc. Which will provide plenty of anti-Muslim fodder for the RW whacko mouthbreathers to feed on. Expect more anti-Muslim hate to soon follow. Furthermore, expect attacks on people from the region of Chechnya to happen, which means more innocents will be attacked, even white ones, all in retaliation.

Wishing that the suspects were white or black, Muslim or Christian, or whatever else is simply disgusting, racist ranting, pure and simple. What's up for next time, wishing that the perps are from American Samoa?

Why don't you stop and think before applying fingers to keyboard.

anything.

I said I was relieved that no black or brown people would be targeted because of photos.

You know something, I've got family who are from Russia, and we're out here in Red State Dumbfuckistan. Guess what, they are now at risk of being targeted. No, they're no black or brown skinned, but that won't matter, they have Russian accents. ARE YOU FUCKING HAPPY NOW!

Your comments in this thread, and your excuses and rationalizations are goddamn disgusting. I would suggest that you pull them, but far too many people have seen your inane, disgusting comments for that to do any good.

so it would have been better if they HAD been black or brown?


Please...save the drama for someone else, OK?

Most of the residents of Dumbfuckistan wouldn't know a Russian accent from a Swedish accent.

And even if they can, having an accent isn't as big a liability as BEING a color that one can't hide.

Oh, and please, if I'm so disgusting, do both of us a favor and add me to your ignore list.

You pretty much ignore me most of the time anyway. Except to come here and tell me how disgusting I am.

Any excuse to call other people assholes does make some people happy, no matter how ridiculous the circumstances.

Boy do you need to go online and use Google.

we didn't hear reports of white people being targeted because they might have resembled the men in the photos.

Had they been black or brown, I can almost guarantee that every brown or black person in the vicinity of Boston would have been a suspect in the minds of LOTS of people.

I went to read a story about what the uncle had to say about the bombers and the commenters found a way to demean all black people. We live in a very ugly, racist country. I am black and it hurts.

I'm sure those people are not thrilled with the truth.

Lots of people were likely not pleased with the truth because they wanted even MORE reasons to hate a minority.

Now they can't.

Drones over Chechnya instead of X Arab/Muslim/Persian/African country.

Yay?

as dark skinned

Thanks. But dark-skinned isn't the same as black. I used to work with a Tamil who was blacker than any person of African descent I've ever met.

but a lot of white people really can't tell the difference.

I was reading about some experiment some time ago where photos of black people were shown to groups of blacks and whites.

The black people were better able to distinguish between the shades.

Many of the whites couldn't. For them, there was no such thing as light, medium, dark, etc. Which actually frustrates police when they're trying to get descriptions of black suspects from white witnesses, whose only reply is, "I dunno, man...he was black".

It is believed that the brains ability to distinguish between faces develops during infancy. Since you are likely surrounded by a lot of people who look like you at that time your ability to distinguish based on smaller differences ties itself to the ones around you. When you don't spend a lot of time around people who look different, the major differences overwhelm the brain and it actually dampens down its ability to distinguish details.

I experienced this (in two ways) myself when I spent some time in Japan. I would never say that all Japanese look alike - but everyone certainly did look similar to me. At least for a while - then, quite suddenly, one day it changed. It was actually a fairly odd experience - I am not quite sure how to describe it, but it was almost as if peoples' faces changed (obviously my perception changed instead). Suddenly people did not look "simply Japanese", but looked as different from one another as anyone I had known my whole life. This wasn't through an effort to notice things on my part - it was as if a switch had been flipped in my brain somewhere.

On the same trip I visited the parents of a friend of mine (a Japanese student I met in grad school). He told me that he thought all white people looked similar and had a hard time distinguishing people he didn't know well.

I was fascinated with the whole experience and ended up studying it for a while.

http://io9.com/5679623/does-your-brain-think-that-all-white-people-look-the-same

Sikhs were Muslims after 9/11 to some small brains; a dark-skinned person like your Tamil coworker would be close enough to black for a racist.

at most it tells you that they weren't light skinned.

So I took "dark skinned" to mean not Nordic and not African. But pretty much anything in between was in play.

Germanic, British, etc.

It's not surprising people got things wrong. Not that it's an excuse, but there was a lot of confusion. I'm not surprised there were false BOLOs.

I half expected there to be a BOLO for a 400 lb. Pacific Islander in a yarmulke.

the Lederhosen...


thanks for the laugh...I needed it.

The whole Muslim community is unfortunately going to feel a back lash that they do not deserve. I am terrified for them and their mosques being targeted by OUR extremists. I hope I am wrong, truly....

It's one word...what is it...hmmm.

Dumbass thread, bd. Glad to see the blowback you're getting.

if there's an opportunity to bait, no matter how tragic the circumstances, ideology abides.

Blowback is just another opportunity to kick around any reasoned response with a few pithy ideological one liners.
So, blowback is not really a concern here...its another opportunity to espouse an ideology.

goes two ways, actually.

Some people seem to be obsessed with finding reasons to accuse others of "racism".

They see "racism" everywhere they look.

Then there are the ones who see "sexism" everywhere they look, also.

Sort of like how people who hate homosexuals see homosexuality everywhere.

Or people who see pornography everywhere. Like that statue which had to be covered when John Ashcroft spoke at the hall of the DOJ. OMG!!! PORN!!!


I wouldn't care to speculate, but one thing I've always remembered from a 12 step program long ago...

when we point a finger at someone else, three more are pointing back at us.

That's a slur.

White Trash is usually OK, Aunt Jemima will get locked in a heartbeat.

They weren't exactly boys, they were young men.

Why is it ok to call white men "White boys", if they were black men would it be OK to call them "Black boys"? I often hear, hey white boy or look at the white boys, from non whites but never the reverse. Why is that?

Black "boys" are usually already grown men. What is so hard about understanding the difference?

I think they are being called boys because we do define teenagers as kids. Language is becoming such a minefield.

So that doesn't fly.

I find the older I get, the easier it is for me to think of people way younger than I am as "boys" or "girls".

I was always amused when my 93 year old MIL called her children (all of them 60+ years old) "kids".

Perspective changes with time.

To me a 19 year old is still a kid. And yes, the 26 year old is technically a man. Language is so tricky. I don't think the term "Boy" has the same connotation for whites that it does for African Americans. The use of the term in today's context is the dictionary denotation, not meant to be insulting.

Dictionary definitions:
boy (plural boys)
Male servant.
(now rare) A male servant, in general senses. [from 14th c.]
(now historical, offensive) A non-white male servant, as used especially by whites in a colonial settlement etc. [from 17th c.]

(now offensive) A non-white male. [from 19th c.]
(obsolete) A lower-class or disreputable man; a worthless person. [14th-17th c.] ?
A young male human; a male child or young adult. [from 15th c.]

A man of any age, used as a friendly diminutive, or of a man who is merely younger than the speaker. [from 17th c.] ?
(colloquial) A male friend or fellow of some group, community etc. (mainly used in the plural). [from 19th c.]

A familiar way of addressing a male dog. [from 19th c.]

(US, slang) Heroin. [from 20th c.]

and you're gloating over skin color? There is something VERY wrong with you. This thread has entered Free Republic territory...disgusting.

Thank god it was the White devils!