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brooklynite

(94,757 posts)
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:12 PM Apr 2013

It appears that a number of people here don't understand "shelter in place"

...judging by the complaints about "Martial Law".

"Shelter in Place" is a SAFETY protcol. It is not a curfew and it is not a denial of civil rights. It is issued when public authorities believe that staying inside is the safest place for people to be, just as an evacuation order is based on a decision that people would be safer outside a particular area. Nobody is subject to arrest if they violate the order, just as nobody is forced at gunpoint to evacuate thei home during a hurricane.

(nb-I help run a Community Emergency Response Team and have training in these matters)

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It appears that a number of people here don't understand "shelter in place" (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2013 OP
The shit that will get some people's dander up is really remarkable alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #1
+1 well said yodermon Apr 2013 #2
That about sums it up. MadrasT Apr 2013 #5
Well said. HappyMe Apr 2013 #6
Yep, that's pretty much the thought that went through my head when I read those posts this morning distantearlywarning Apr 2013 #7
+1 freshwest Apr 2013 #37
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2013 #14
Good Thing This is in Boston ChangeUp106 Apr 2013 #17
This. WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #18
brilliant. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #22
Should emphasize that Dumbshits are welcome to roam around in the open. EOM cartach Apr 2013 #26
It doesn't help that the talking heads keep saying "lock down" dballance Apr 2013 #3
Word! Brother Buzz Apr 2013 #9
Thanks. Really tiring of this typical DU bullshit twisting of facts. emulatorloo Apr 2013 #4
Fastfood Nation: And its Lunchtime Stallion Apr 2013 #8
Should be somethiing in the cupboard. EOM cartach Apr 2013 #28
I never heard the term before today. Scuba Apr 2013 #10
It's a common thing for those of us on the southern coasts. kentauros Apr 2013 #21
It's my constitutional right to be blown to smithereens if I want to... MOTRDemocrat Apr 2013 #11
I'm OK with a "shelter in place" order, but the door-to-door searches are over the line. slackmaster Apr 2013 #12
Second place goes to those who suggest that people are locking themselves in their houses hedgehog Apr 2013 #13
If I didn't live upstairs, I'd've been in the effing closet - bombs, shots, grenades, hell yeah! freshwest Apr 2013 #36
Thank you for the explination of shelter in place olddots Apr 2013 #15
Talking heads are all worked up and cartach Apr 2013 #30
Shelter in place is more for an aerial mishaps. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #16
They just announced that people who went to work this morning Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #19
Sure are a lot of talking heads out there in the open. EOM cartach Apr 2013 #32
Some may need milk.... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #33
Another dairy addict caught in the act! LOL... freshwest Apr 2013 #35
Not just there.. kickysnana Apr 2013 #20
This "Fuck You!" instinct to authority is our greatest national characteristic. Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #23
I wish it would be used at the right times Lex Apr 2013 #24
I could not agree more my friend :) Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #25
This is a great opportunity to spend the day drinking in a bar AngryAmish Apr 2013 #27
It's like an "evacuation order"... Buns_of_Fire Apr 2013 #29
Ignorance and hysteria go hand in hand. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #31
Right you are Hekate Apr 2013 #38
Thanks for the actual definition... ReRe Apr 2013 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author tpsbmam Apr 2013 #39
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
1. The shit that will get some people's dander up is really remarkable
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:14 PM
Apr 2013

OFFICIALS: "We don't actually know where this guy is or whether he has numerous violent confederates. The best way to stay safe is to stay put."

DUMBSHITS: "You can't tell ME what to DO!!!! Fascists!!!!"

WORLD:

distantearlywarning

(4,475 posts)
7. Yep, that's pretty much the thought that went through my head when I read those posts this morning
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:23 PM
Apr 2013

It's a 15 year old mentality: all knee-jerk rebellion, no common sense.

ChangeUp106

(549 posts)
17. Good Thing This is in Boston
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:44 PM
Apr 2013

Imagine if this was the South? People would be taking up arms and refusing to comply

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
3. It doesn't help that the talking heads keep saying "lock down"
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:19 PM
Apr 2013

Making it sound like the police have locked down the city by decree.

emulatorloo

(44,192 posts)
4. Thanks. Really tiring of this typical DU bullshit twisting of facts.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:19 PM
Apr 2013

Lots of folks here have a Alex Jones mindset.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
21. It's a common thing for those of us on the southern coasts.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:02 PM
Apr 2013

Although I first heard it used for us looking at Hurricane Rita bearing down on us in 2005. I don't know if it was in use before that, though.

 

MOTRDemocrat

(87 posts)
11. It's my constitutional right to be blown to smithereens if I want to...
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:22 PM
Apr 2013

CONSTITUUUUTION... BILL 'O RIGHHHTS... RON PAUL 2008.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
13. Second place goes to those who suggest that people are locking themselves in their houses
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:23 PM
Apr 2013

because they are afraid!

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
15. Thank you for the explination of shelter in place
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:34 PM
Apr 2013

The "news " media has got the mass hysteria meter pegged with their repeated fear mongering and dramatic bullshit .

MSNBC running a chaser that says LOCKDOWN it's confusing and pandering to fools .

cartach

(511 posts)
30. Talking heads are all worked up and
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:52 PM
Apr 2013

coming across as if they are actors in some dramatic TV production. They should restrict themselves to reporting the facts as they are made public instead of the non stop analysis,different scenarios,what ifs and general bullshit. Of course this has has been going on for many years and represents free speech but when does free speech get trumped by bullshit.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
16. Shelter in place is more for an aerial mishaps.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:43 PM
Apr 2013

Ie, ammonia leak, or any other gas release.

I think they are misusing the term.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
19. They just announced that people who went to work this morning
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:46 PM
Apr 2013

are NOT expected to stay at work, they can drive home, or take taxis, or whatever (no public transp though) and should shelter in place at home. They are *encouraging* people to go out to travel home.

Definitely *not* a sign of total lockdown or martial law.

I'm frustrated about misuse of this word. It veers into dangerous hyperbole/'boy who cried wolf' territory. I think potential abuse of authority, over-reaction, are all reasonable areas of discussion with all this, but martial law it ain't.

If it goes on for too long, and people start getting arrested for going out, then we can talk about all that. But for now I haven't heard of a single case of innocent civilians being arrested by cops or military or anything just for being outside.

kickysnana

(3,908 posts)
20. Not just there..
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 01:49 PM
Apr 2013

I live in a block construction fire safe building for seniors. We are supposed to stay in our apartments unless someone comes to tell us to leave. Invariably some people wait about 4 minutes and then start going out to find out and the rest hear people taking/moving in the hall so they all come out to what is/was going on.

It would help if they had an end time where they sound or say "all clear" for the fire alarm/drill but they don't so technically I should be in my apartment since the last time last summer. But suggestions seem to all end up in the circular file with the management of this place and logic is not a subject they seem to be familiar with.

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
23. This "Fuck You!" instinct to authority is our greatest national characteristic.
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:24 PM
Apr 2013

Sure, we sometimes use it when we shouldn't, and rarely when we really should, but there it is.

Lex

(34,108 posts)
24. I wish it would be used at the right times
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:30 PM
Apr 2013

and not at the stupid times. Lackadaisical about wire-tapping, the Iraq War reasons, etc.



 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
27. This is a great opportunity to spend the day drinking in a bar
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:40 PM
Apr 2013

Haven't had a day like that in years. I miss it soi.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,201 posts)
29. It's like an "evacuation order"...
Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:43 PM
Apr 2013

They're not going to drag you, kicking and screaming, out of your house -- but if the shit hits the fan, they're putting you on notice that you're NOT going to be at the top of their list of priorities.

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