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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere is my take on some of the lucky breaks we got in Boston last week:
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NOTE: This is NOT to in any way slight all the real work of police, fire and other law enforcement personel and medical first responders. I just was thinking about some of the things we know now that helped this week come swiftly to conclusion:
_After the bombs exploded, bystanders rushed in to save people hurt in the initial blast. People like Carlos Arredondo, saving the life of Jeff Bauman. This is even before official race medics and police and other responders get near to help the victims.
_victim Jeff Bauman wakes up and is able to give authorities a description of one of the two bombers (Black Hat)
_based on that description police are able to better analyze large amount of video of crowds and get photos of two possible suspects.
_with their photos 'out there' the brothers probably decide they have to flee sooner rather than later
_by coincidence they are at the convenience store (maybe to get gas and/or $$ from a cash machine that wouldn't have a camera) when MIT policeman show up for a robbery or disturbance call.
_the suspects shoot the campus cop dead and flee, realizing they still need cash and maybe a better, or someone else's, car.
_they carjack a Mercedes and take the driver ("Danny" hostage and get him several times to try to withdraw cash for them, and try to get gas also. At the Shell Station on Western Ave it is "cash only" and the younger suspect goes in to pay. According to "Danny" when the older suspect puts down his gun for a moment to fiddle with the GPS, he does what he has been rehearsing in his mind: quickly unbuckle and open the door and slamming it as the suspect makes a grab for him...He gets away and calls 911.
_that guy (intentionally?) leaves his cell phone and the fancy car has a lojack type device also in the car allowing the police to track them as they head towards Watertown.
_the street shoot out happens. Luckily with over 200 shots fired one of the suspects is only wounded but not killed like the other.
_ with a night and next day of house to house searching and hundreds of tactical police and dogs they are not able to find the suspect, who has apparently run, wounded to the backyard of a house just outside of the search area and hidden inside the hull of a covered boat.
_ after the order to stay inside is lifted, a homeowner (Dave Henneberry)goes out to deal with the flapping cover and notices his boat cover has been messed with. He gets a ladder and looks under the cover (Knowing all that has been happening around him that day, THAT took guts!!) He sees a bloody body who luckily for him does not shoot him. He calls 911 and reports the bloody person in his boat.
-police surround the house and yard. The suspect doesn't give up, (police claim he shoots thru the cover but later find no gun on him) Police shoot many rounds into the boat. Maybe they are 'non-leathal' maybe not. The suspect is luckily NOT killed by all the gunfire...
_the suspect is made to surrender with the help of negotiators, alive , and taken off in custody to a hospital.
gateley
(62,683 posts)My questions are:
What was the disturbance call? From whom? (We initially heard they robbed the 7-11, then heard that wasn't accurate.)
Why did they have two cars when they were confronted by police in Watertown? Why hijack the SUV guy if they already had a car?
I just read a piece that indicates the police in Watertown (I think it was one of the police officers "talking" were trying to handcuff the elder brother after shooting him when another officer yelled "look out!" and the younger brother was charging them with the SUV, running over and dragging his brother for a bit. Was that what killed the older brother -- his brother running over him, or the bullet (s?) that hit him?
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)they also need money, so they thought of carjacking. According to their car mechanic they had a taste for Mercedes.
They were going to get into one car probably when they confronted the officer in Watertown and started shooting (again)
It does sound like if the older brother wasn't dead already on the street, having his brother run over him could not have helped...
gateley
(62,683 posts)Denzil_DC
(7,244 posts)He was taken to hospital, but attempts to resuscitate him failed.
Tsarnaev suffered from massive, penetrating injuries and was pronounced dead at 1:35 a.m. His body was turned over to law enforcement so that it can be examined by forensic experts, medical examiners and investigators to determine the source of his injuries.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/19/david-schoenfeld-tamerlan-tsarnaev-doctor_n_3117810.html
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)The account doesn't mention wounds from a 'suicide vest' explosion like the media reported...
Denzil_DC
(7,244 posts)(and the incredibly graphic photo I saw of his corpse posted somewhere), it doesn't seem like a suicide vest explosion was necessarily a factor:
There was at least some distance from the blast to the person, Wolfe said, based on his interpretation of the injuries. Still, he said his experience with explosions is limited.
Also:
I certainly did not see any tire marks or the usual things we see with someone run over by a car, he said.
Wolfe cautioned that the exact cause of death would not be apparent until the Medical Examiner looks at Tsarnaev.
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/er_doctor_bombing_suspect_died_at_hospital
To speculate, I guess he could have been wearing such a vest, which didn't detonate, but did protect his body to some extent if he was run over/dragged. His corpse had quite a large, deep gash in the ribcage, along with various wounds and massive contusions, or posibly bloodstains, to his upper body and head.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Denzil_DC
(7,244 posts)I clicked through to it because I'd seen the one of the guy with his legs blown off at the marathon, and a part of me said, "Your actions led me to see that horror, bring it on." Not logical or defensible, but it's been a long week.
I forgot to add thanks to you for this post. I'd been thinking along similar lines about the various coincidences and oddities. It does feel like the more I think I know right now, the more I realize I don't know much at all, and some of the things I thought I knew were just plain wrong.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)if you can admit: "It does feel like the more I think I know right now, the more I realize I don't know much at all, and some of the things I thought I knew were just plain wrong."
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)The central access explains some of the wounds
malaise
(269,063 posts)looked under the cover without seeing all that blood. I'm sure there was a trail of blood. I'm betting he knew he was badly wounded
gateley
(62,683 posts)the ladder -- an animal wouldn't use a ladder.
I hope we hear from him eventually.
malaise
(269,063 posts)gateley
(62,683 posts)has to keep his ipp-lay ipped-zay because he'll probably have to testify.
malaise
(269,063 posts)counting his luck
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)* Racing Stripes
(sorry couldn't resist. Still a bit punchy since - what was it - yesterday?)
But I think you are absolutely correct.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)the 'stay indoors' order was lifted he went out to check on the boat. Said he saw nothing surprising and almost went back inside, then checked once more with a his ladder and saw blood inside the boat, then the person lying there...
link:
http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/metro/-/11971628/19862486/-/yfv2gk/-/index.html
malaise
(269,063 posts)or maybe he loved the boat too much
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)A number of people I have talked to, Watertown people, just thought it wouldn't be happening near them...that the manhunt had to be elsewhere, even though the whole town and several other towns were on 'lockdown'
undeterred
(34,658 posts)outside the boat, only that he saw the cover had been disturbed. So he went over to the boat and stepped up to it and lifted the cover to straighten it out and looked in- then he saw all the blood on the floor of the boat. And he actually saw the suspect, so he ran to call 911.
LuvNewcastle
(16,847 posts)If he hadn't stepped out, he wouldn't have seen the cover out of place on the boat.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)He will be fired when they find out.....
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Uzair
(241 posts)Jeff Bauman identified the older brother, not the white hat.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)past the child that died...
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)I think LE was expecting -or at least hoping- that the public would find the younger brother when they lifted the shelter-in-place request.
They couldn't come out and say that because people would freak out but after covering as much of the city as possible, the best way to find this guy was to pull back and wait for someone to notice a dead smell or, as actually happened, a pool of blood.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Bauman actually identified the elder Tsarnaev brother (black hat), since he was at the finish line (first) bomb, not the second bomb; "white hat" dropped the second bomb.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)You can edit your OP, you know?
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's way, way up Mass Ave, all the way at Central Square. What was he doing up there? I thought he was shot on campus?
FailureToCommunicate
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