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Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 10:54 PM Feb 2012

[Daily Kos] Today the City of Oakland Officially Went Insane.

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Today the city govt of Oakland went Insane.. I was there and it was nuts 50 cops in riot gear to shut down sound system bit.ly/yh0DfQ

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/06/1062345/-Today-the-City-of-Oakland-Officially-Went-Insane



Now I would like for you to picture this situation. There are, a half hour into the rally, three hundred people, perhaps more, in front of City Hall, on the amphitheatre platform or steps, or in the seating area. Some of them are old men and women. There are people who just happen to be walking by; it is a busy walk area around noon. The vast majority, nonetheless, are holding an anti-police-repression rally, obviously with strong anti-police sentiments, but so far completely peaceful.

If you were the Oakland official or the police Lieutenant or Captain in charge, would you order your men into the middle of the amphitheatre, thereby risking the possiblity of a riot, people being trampled, people being knocked down steps, and/or innocent passersby being caught up in some kind of angry mob? All so that you could enforce your order to turn off a sound system?

Or would you wait fifteen minutes until the rally had ended and the people were dispersing to the march to the courthouse, then move in to cite the person who set up the sound system and seize it?

If you chose the latter you are sane. If you chose the former you are officially an inmate of the lunatic asylum known as Oakland City Government.



I think Oakland's City government went insane months ago, but this is really getting into police state territory. Who wades into a crowd of peaceful people with -50- riot cops??
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[Daily Kos] Today the City of Oakland Officially Went Insane. (Original Post) Starry Messenger Feb 2012 OP
So when is the Judge going to step back into this and officially take over Oakland's teddy51 Feb 2012 #1
Good question. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #2
He's probably waiting unionworks Feb 2012 #3
Oakland officials most likely feel the need to escalate Kaleko Feb 2012 #4
"hoping to prove they were right to beat these protesters up in the first place." Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #6
Actually, I think that, by design, they've been given the mantle of thugs as a Luminous Animal Feb 2012 #12
That too is quite possible. Kaleko Feb 2012 #13
K&R nadinbrzezinski Feb 2012 #5
As far as I know the OPD has been insane for decades... Kalidurga Feb 2012 #7
I lived there from 92-09. Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #8
The Oakland PD needs to be disbanded. Long before OWS, these thugs were a threat to American sabrina 1 Feb 2012 #9
they're not insane, they're simply brutal authoritarian fascists. provis99 Feb 2012 #10
+1000 Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #11
You didn't mention the 150+ Oakland citzens that confronted the demonstrators about "taking back demosincebirth Feb 2012 #14
Are you addressing me or the author of the blog? Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #15
You didn't have the two links you have in you last post. demosincebirth Feb 2012 #16
Hmm? Starry Messenger Feb 2012 #17
The police run Oakland and have chosen to beat up Occupy ... T S Justly Feb 2012 #18
K&R Canuckistanian Feb 2012 #19
 

teddy51

(3,491 posts)
1. So when is the Judge going to step back into this and officially take over Oakland's
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:11 PM
Feb 2012

Police Department? It certainly can't be soon enough.

Kaleko

(4,986 posts)
4. Oakland officials most likely feel the need to escalate
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:23 PM
Feb 2012

the confrontations in order to justify their previous breaches of legal conduct.

They're in hot water with all those investigations going on, so they raise the stakes, hoping to prove they were right to beat these protesters up in the first place. The same behavior pattern can be observed in individuals who are caught doing wrong, but instead of admitting it, they keep digging themselves deeper into the hole when caught or called on it.

Just a guess.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
6. "hoping to prove they were right to beat these protesters up in the first place."
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:31 PM
Feb 2012

Chilling but totally plausible. I hadn't thought of that.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
12. Actually, I think that, by design, they've been given the mantle of thugs as a
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:50 AM
Feb 2012

warning to other Occupy towns and cities. It's a message to protesters... this is what the police CAN do to you and if you don't behave in your community, this is what your cops might do to you.

That is, they are "making an example" of #OO.

Kaleko

(4,986 posts)
13. That too is quite possible.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:03 AM
Feb 2012

And either one of these strategies doesn't preclude the other from being used at the same time.

Set an example to intimidate potential protesters across the country and escalate tensions to provoke some protesters to retaliate so you can cover your ass while pointing fingers at the victims of your crimes... What's not to like?

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
7. As far as I know the OPD has been insane for decades...
Mon Feb 6, 2012, 11:54 PM
Feb 2012

that is what I hear from people that have lived there. They say it is an interesting town to say the least.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
8. I lived there from 92-09.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:02 AM
Feb 2012

Last edited Tue Feb 7, 2012, 03:01 AM - Edit history (1)

Mostly avoided contact with them because they never come when you call them. They shot an artist to death that I knew through an arts nonprofit I worked at. They thought he was holding a gun, elderly man named Casper Banjo.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. The Oakland PD needs to be disbanded. Long before OWS, these thugs were a threat to American
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:05 AM
Feb 2012

citizens. They can't be retrained, or fixed, they are out of control, although they are not the only ones. But it's long past time to get rid of them. We pay for them, they forget that.

Start recruiting new men and women who understand that their job is to protect the people who pay their salaries, NOT the Corporate Powers they are obviously being used by.

 

provis99

(13,062 posts)
10. they're not insane, they're simply brutal authoritarian fascists.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:25 AM
Feb 2012

If they were insane, they might accidently do some good from time to time.

demosincebirth

(12,537 posts)
14. You didn't mention the 150+ Oakland citzens that confronted the demonstrators about "taking back
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:25 AM
Feb 2012

Oakland." These were a group of average middle aged citizens that wanted them to take it else where. They have more crime in the city that leaves large areas of Oakland without police. Four killed and 6 shot and wounded just this past weekend.You didn't mention the 150+ Oakland citizens that confronted the demonstrators about "taking back Cops are a necessary evil, but the citizens of Oakland, which the majority are average hard working people, don't deserve what is happening in their City.
I know I'll get a lot of flack and flaming from many here on DU blaming the cops, but I've been there at times, and I've seen it both ways.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/02/06/occupy-oakland-protesters-counter-protesters-gather-at-city-hall/

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
15. Are you addressing me or the author of the blog?
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:40 AM
Feb 2012

He cites a mayor-endorsed "counter-protest" in the Kos entry. Just hit the link. Oakland has one of the highest murder rates in the US and has had it for years.

Crimes rates were actually reduced by 19% while Occupy was camping.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/14/1054602/-No-Surprise-Oakland-Police-Chief-Lied-to-Discredit-Occupy-Oakland
http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/emails-exchanged-between-oakland-opd-reveal-tensio/nGMkF/



"When Jordan received an update that crime was actually down 19 percent in the last week of October, he wrote an email to one of Mayor Jean Quan's advisers.

"Not sure how you want to share this good news," he wrote. "It may be counter to our statement that the Occupy movement is negatively impacting crime in Oakland.""


Oops.
 

T S Justly

(884 posts)
18. The police run Oakland and have chosen to beat up Occupy ...
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:36 AM
Feb 2012

Rather than work to get criminals. Wish we had a civil rights leader in the White House. He or she would indict the whole lot of them.

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