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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:06 AM Feb 2012

Axelrod: Obama's Not A 'Hypocrite' For Accepting Super PAC Money (updated)

Axelrod: Obama's Not A 'Hypocrite' For Accepting Super PAC Money

Obama campaign senior strategist David Axelrod told MSNBC Tuesday morning that the president is not a "hypocrite" for agreeing to accept super PAC money. The president and his campaign have spoken out against the unlimited corporate financing now allowed in political campaigns, but Axelrod said Tuesday that the campaign cannot "play by two sets of rules."

"We have to live in a world as it is, not how we want it to be," Axelrod said.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entries/axelrod-obamas-not-hypocrite-for-accepting-super-pac

Republicans would love to have the financial advantage as Mitt Romney did in the GOP Florida primary. It's the reason they're 100 percent behind Citizens United.

Updated to add:

'Democrats can't be unilaterally disarmed'

By Steve Benen

<...>

The general spin on this story so far has been that Obama's position has shifted -- he opposed the court rulings that cleared the way for these super PACs; he'd prefer that the outside groups not exist, and yet he's now urging financial backers to invest in an allied super PAC anyway.

<...>

The question, then, is whether the president and his allies are prepared to fight fire with fire. As of today, the answer appears to be "yes."

Indeed, Jim Messina argued overnight that the Obama campaign just doesn't have a choice.

The President opposed the Citizens United decision. He understood that with the dramatic growth in opportunities to raise and spend unlimited special-interest money, we would see new strategies to hide it from public view. He continues to support a law to force full disclosure of all funding intended to influence our elections, a reform that was blocked in 2010 by a unanimous Republican filibuster in the U.S. Senate. And the President favors action -- by constitutional amendment, if necessary -- to place reasonable limits on all such spending.

But this cycle, our campaign has to face the reality of the law as it currently stands.

He added that Republican super PACS, in aggregate, are "expected to spend half a billion dollars, above and beyond what the Republican nominee and party are expected to commit to try to defeat the President." That may sound like hyperbole, but it's a reasonable estimate. The Koch brothers alone are prepared to spend $100 million later this year to defeat Obama.

Under these circumstances, the Democrats' move is easy to understand: they didn't want the post-Citizens United changes to the system, but they're stuck with them nevertheless. In this case, Dems simply intend to play by the rules -- rules they don't like, rules they wish were different, rules they'd gladly change, but the rules nevertheless.

- more -

http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/07/10339851-democrats-cant-be-unilaterally-disarmed

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Axelrod: Obama's Not A 'Hypocrite' For Accepting Super PAC Money (updated) (Original Post) ProSense Feb 2012 OP
Obama was the first candidate to forego public funding Enrique Feb 2012 #1
No ProSense Feb 2012 #4
Then why mention it? mmonk Feb 2012 #2
Why ProSense Feb 2012 #5
Well I don't know how we're going to get rid of it once mmonk Feb 2012 #6
Just ProSense Feb 2012 #8
Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #3
And the President is not stupid!! You have to play to win. He is against super pacs but will not nanabugg Feb 2012 #7
Why... greytdemocrat Feb 2012 #9
Wow, that headline is as inspiring as woo me with science Feb 2012 #10
Wow ProSense Feb 2012 #11
Pres. Nixon: "It's not illegal if the President does it." rusty fender Feb 2012 #12
Remember ProSense Feb 2012 #13
I wasn't equating Pac-money with an illegal act rusty fender Feb 2012 #17
Well ProSense Feb 2012 #18
When the NFL changes the rules for football, one quarterback can't unilaterally defy those rules librechik Feb 2012 #14
I just made my first $250 contribution. msanthrope Feb 2012 #15
Cool! n/t ProSense Feb 2012 #16

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
1. Obama was the first candidate to forego public funding
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:11 AM
Feb 2012

after promising he would take it.

Imo Obama is terrible on money in politics.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. No
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:19 AM
Feb 2012
Obama was the first candidate to forego public funding after promising he would take it.

Imo Obama is terrible on money in politics.

I believe he has been following his words to most expectations.

Small-Dollar Donors Propel Barack Obama, Non-Romney Republicans
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002256633

OpenSecrets: Obama Campaign Refunding Donations By Federal Lobbyists
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002230824

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
5. Why
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:27 AM
Feb 2012

"Then why mention it?"

...not? The decision is drawing criticism. It's time to fight fire with fire. Republicans want the advantage. It's bad enough they get away with running the type of ads they do. In fact, it's bad enough they have Fox Noise.



ProSense

(116,464 posts)
8. Just
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:49 AM
Feb 2012

"Well I don't know how we're going to get rid of it once all the politicians start using it."

...do it.

The President opposed the Citizens United decision. He understood that with the dramatic growth in opportunities to raise and spend unlimited special-interest money, we would see new strategies to hide it from public view. He continues to support a law to force full disclosure of all funding intended to influence our elections, a reform that was blocked in 2010 by a unanimous Republican filibuster in the U.S. Senate. And the President favors action—by constitutional amendment, if necessary—to place reasonable limits on all such spending.

http://www.barackobama.com/news/entry/we-will-not-play-by-two-sets-of-rules

Campaign finance reform is still an issue. I should add, the DISCLOSE Act was strongly opposed by the ACLU, giving Republicans a unusual ally. It's going to be up to public pressure and Democrats to get this done.

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nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
7. And the President is not stupid!! You have to play to win. He is against super pacs but will not
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 10:45 AM
Feb 2012

be disadvantaged by them. Go for it, I say!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
10. Wow, that headline is as inspiring as
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 11:29 AM
Feb 2012

"Americans not scared of Obama's re-election," which you posted here some time ago.

More sellout to the corporate status quo after pretty words he didn't mean. Again. And how enraging that it isn't even surprising anymore.

But mmonk upthread makes the most important point: We will never get rid of this garbage when every politician sells out and runs with it.


Occupy.


ProSense

(116,464 posts)
11. Wow
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 11:33 AM
Feb 2012
Wow, that headline is as inspiring as

"Americans not scared of Obama's re-election," which you posted here some time ago.

...more stupid irrelevant comments based on distortions. Get over it!

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
12. Pres. Nixon: "It's not illegal if the President does it."
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:01 PM
Feb 2012

It's not a contradiction if the President says it isn't.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
13. Remember
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:04 PM
Feb 2012

"Pres. Nixon: "It's not illegal if the President does it. It's not a contradiction if the President says it isn't."

...this is legal and making a smart decision isn't against the law.

No doubt this is upsetting to Republicans.

 

rusty fender

(3,428 posts)
17. I wasn't equating Pac-money with an illegal act
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:36 PM
Feb 2012

I was illustrating the phenomenon that, as POTUS, men believe that whatever they do is right; and when they reverse position, it isn't a flip-flop. It's called hubris, look it up.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
18. Well
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 04:49 PM
Feb 2012
I wasn't equating Pac-money with an illegal act

I was illustrating the phenomenon that, as POTUS, men believe that whatever they do is right; and when they reverse position, it isn't a flip-flop. It's called hubris, look it up.

...there is "flip-flop" and there is being flexible. It's not "hubris" to be flexible when weighing decisions that will impact millions of lives.

It's like the Iraq war. What was needed years ago was a "flip-flop" by Bush. Instead, he decided to "stay the course."

I consider this an important decision. The direction of the country is at stake. In fact, lives are at stake.

In this case, what you consider a "flip-flop" and "hubris," I consider a smart move.


librechik

(30,674 posts)
14. When the NFL changes the rules for football, one quarterback can't unilaterally defy those rules
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:09 PM
Feb 2012

however wrong the rule is, without being forced out of the game. That is what the RWers raising this issue want.

One thing I would do if I were Axelrod, is to make sure to mention EVERY TIME that this is all because of the SCOTUS and Citizens United and the decision was terrible for America and it needs to be changed.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
15. I just made my first $250 contribution.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:38 PM
Feb 2012

Go get 'em...

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