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matmar

(593 posts)
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:00 PM Feb 2012

Did the bailout of GM have more to do with their banking side than their manufacturing? Was it both?

GMAC, now known as Ally, was also a "bank" in need of a bailout, no?....or was the bailout focused purely on the manufacturing side?

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Did the bailout of GM have more to do with their banking side than their manufacturing? Was it both? (Original Post) matmar Feb 2012 OP
Great question. I have no idea but the Hummer sure didn't help: think Feb 2012 #1
GMAC Finance was owned by a Madoff bud, a principal in Cerberus Capital and Bank Leumi, leveymg Feb 2012 #2
TY for the information. /nt think Feb 2012 #4
Banking, only after reclassifying GMAC as a "bank" JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #3
So the collapse of 2008 caused GM and Chrysler huge losses on their "banking" side which resulted in matmar Feb 2012 #5
True, the factory workers did not cause the bankruptcy. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2012 #6
 

think

(11,641 posts)
1. Great question. I have no idea but the Hummer sure didn't help:
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:08 PM
Feb 2012

Hummer's Long Overdue Death
Joann Muller, Forbes Staff 2/24/2010 @ 4:04PM
~snip~
It’s probably just as well. Hummer’s best days were behind it. Driving one of those militaristic behemoths used to be a status symbol, but after gas prices topped $4 a gallon in the summer of 2008, people began to rethink the excess. In 2008, GM sold 27,485 Hummers, down from 35,000 in 2003. In 2009, after announcing it was putting the brand up for sale, GM sold only 9,000.

Hummer was born in the early ’90s, after Arnold Schwarzenegger, then just a movie star, convinced AM General, the military contractor that made the Gulf War Humvee, to create a street-legal version. GM acquired Hummer in 1998 and in 2002 launched the slightly smaller H2.

After 9/11 and the war in Iraq, buying a Hummer was the patriotic thing to do. GM urged its 150 Hummer dealers to spend millions building showrooms that looked like Quonset huts....

More:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bizblog/2010/02/24/hummers-long-overdue-death/

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
2. GMAC Finance was owned by a Madoff bud, a principal in Cerberus Capital and Bank Leumi,
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:08 PM
Feb 2012

who also owned Chrysler and its financial arm. His name is J. Ezra Merkin. That's him shaking hand with Ariel Sharon with PM Ohlmert in the background after Cerberus bought into Bank Leumi, a large private Israeli bank. In other words, yes. It was a bailout of what remained after a group of vulture global capital bankers who are also major funders of Likud Party in Israel stripped the carcass of much of the US auto industry.

Please also see, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5760575&mesg_id=5761237

 

matmar

(593 posts)
5. So the collapse of 2008 caused GM and Chrysler huge losses on their "banking" side which resulted in
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 12:31 PM
Feb 2012

a bailout of their "banking" side and as part of the bailout a restructuring (aka cutting wages and benefits to workers)

Thanks to Republicans and Democrats who helped to deregulate Wall Street, along with the rapacious greed of Wall St, the resulting collapse of the system allowed Wall St to eat the autoworkers' lunch in the "restructuring" that occurred afterwards.

Through no fault of their own, workers on the factory floor had their salaries cut and benefits slashed becuase of the Wall St thieves and their handmaidens in D.C.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
6. True, the factory workers did not cause the bankruptcy.
Tue Feb 7, 2012, 01:33 PM
Feb 2012

And certainly the reclassification of GMAC as a bank was simply a ruse to grab "free money" that was being lavished on the banks.

But I sort of see them as two separate acts. Not every company that got money had to go through bankruptcy. Not every bank.

And the bankruptcy would have been staged (I like the word "fakeruptcy&quot in the style of K-Mart's so-called bankruptcy, whether GMAC got its free money or not. The fakeruptcy enabled GM to shrug off any financial obligation to it's owners (shareholders), its workers, its suppliers. In working through the bankruptcy, it gave priority to suppliers, to enable production to resume as the new company. And the unions were in a bad bargaining position, eventually agreeing to a two-tiered wage structure. I'm still not sure this was staged by "Wall Street", since GM stock became valueless in the process.

Smarter people than me can probably unravel this sordid mess.



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