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For months I have ignored this. My brother is a Tea Bagger and a few I work with foam at the mouth over this Benghazi conspiracy. They tell me Hillary has no chance of wining "if" she decides to run because of it and now Mike Huckabee is saying what I've been hearing for months, that Obama will be prosecuted because of it.
What is their argument? I feel I should hear some of their insane theories so I can at least challenge them when they bring them.Although proving their Bullshit is a challenge for them. Still waiting to hear how Obama was gonna take their guns away back in 2009 and how he is not an American citizen and how he staged Sandy Hook. Having them prove their theories is one thing.
I'm just curious what it is they think they have on Obama with this Benghazi crap. Anyone know for sure?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)candidates elected.
They are making up shit in hopes that they can use it to hurt Hillary and Obama.
It didn't work for them in Nov 2012 so they are trying again. It is the swift boating of Obama and Hillary.
Next I expect a hoard of books full of lies about it.
atreides1
(16,085 posts)All the Republicans are doing is throwing dung against a wall to see if it sticks!
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)They're seeing the polls regarding Hillary running for President, and they're crapping their pants over them. Anything to dirty her up as much as they can...
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)The two-faced, assholery from the GOP is epic.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)krispos42
(49,445 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)nt
Botany
(70,541 posts)No doubt Darrel Issa will hold hearings into these deaths
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)And that somehow, it would have kept him from being re-elected if everyone knew that it was terrorists all along...........
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The day after the event he called it an act of terror and it was brought up during the debates....they really do have absolutely nothing on this President.
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)And I hope the GOP calls for Impeachment over it..........I haven't had a good laugh in a while
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)will be pushing for it, Boehner doesn't strike me as someone who would allow that to happen. I'm sure he isn't too jazzed for a repeat of what happened with Pres Clinton who is now probably the most popular politician in the country - they lost seats in both Houses in that midterm due to their overreach.
EC
(12,287 posts)I swear repubs all get in a lather when they can pronounce a foreign name correctly and just go on tangents of repeating it. Like they do with Pelosi's name...just on and on all nonsense and no there - there...
Rex
(65,616 posts)It is so much bullshit, that there is no real substance to the argument. Just total emotions and no logic required.
The CT has no legs or body, it is only held up by hot air.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)based on some erroneous reporting from other news agencies--meaning, that Pres. Obama and his admin "lied" about what really happened. Which was, the news coming in wasn't exactly factual and that was reported. When facts actually started coming in, the story changed.
There's something about Ambassador Stevens' personal diary as "proof" and then one of the victims' father went on Faux and presented it all as a cover-up, urged on by Faux reporters. No one on the right mentions that they denied funding for more security personnel.
John McCain then jumped on the bandwagon giving it "legitimacy" in the eyes of the right.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)They claim that if the attack was seen as a terrorist attack that would somehow hurt him politically.... Why?? Obama never said the war on terror was over. In fact it seems just the opposite. If the war on terror is over why does he keep shooting people from drones?
Furthermore, how exactly can a major incident like this be kept undercover? There were hundreds of witnesses and drone videos.. anyone with half a brain knows something like this cant be kept secret. Many involved would be risking their careers if the "truth" ever came out. It makes no sense what so ever.
The GOPers are desperately grasping for a scandal that simply doesnt exist.
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gordianot
(15,242 posts)An African American President who has a popular record on national security matters was in office when an American Ambassador was killed by an acknowledged terrorist attack. While this was occurring the Director of the CIA was busy squeezing and worrying about his illicit affair with a subordinate. A washed up and embittered Senator who lost the election to the current African American President allowed himself to be used by the Party who implied at one time he fathered a biracial child as the front man for a racist attack on the African American President and the candidate he chose (also African American) to be the successor to a very popular Secretary of State. After the current Republican candidate for the President embarrassed himself he abandoned this ridiculous charges in the Benghazi incident. The only reason anyone mentions this now is because the popular Secretary of State plans to run for President in 2016.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)That was extremely well done.
creon
(1,183 posts)I regard it as normal partisan trouble making.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)That about sums it up.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)It doesn't even have to stick...as long as its out there, they hope it hurts Hillary's chances in '16. That's what its all about. They weren't twisting their panties in a knot about the 60 diplomats killed in 10 embassy attacks that happened under W.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,422 posts)I've listened to the stuff that McCain and Graham were pushing back when they were working feverishly to ensure that Susan Rice wouldn't ascend to SOS post and I still don't quite understand it. Some of the gist of it- I gather- is that President Obama, SOS Hillary Clinton, et. al sat around playing tiddlywinks while the consulate was being attacked and didn't lift a finger to stop Amb. Stevens from being killed and/or refusing to approve additional funding (that, ironically- or maybe not so much- Republicans themselves cut) for security. As is clear with any event that occurs, the first initial reports tend to be incomplete and inaccurate and things change based on additional information (i.e. whether it was a planned terrorist attack or the attack evolved out of a protest) but Republicans seem to believe that any shift of the story after the fact indicates some kind of cover-up or conspiracy. They are now alleging that the Obama Administration is intimidating State Department whistle-blowers, which is the subject of Issa's hearings tomorrow though when pressed on Fox News (of all places) this past weekend one of the Republican Congressmen making these accusations couldn't point to a single example and is relying on the allegations of previously discredited Republican lawyers, so we're pretty much left with either a VAST Obama Administration conspiracy that Issa will crack open hard tomorrow or none at all (take your pick, Occam).
Berlum
(7,044 posts)The Republicans are directly to blame for Benghazi, but they are trying to pass the buck. Repubbies routinely go AWOL when it comes to responsibility.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)2. Discredit Obama to hide that the questions they raised about Susan Rice were all bogus.
3. Discredit Hillary to keep people from realizing Repubs were lying all along.
They would never mention the Pentagon report that says the incident started at 9:42PM Benghazi time, 3:42PM ET.
9:42, 3:42ET Gunfire begins
9:59, 3:59ET Drone diverts to Benghazi, to take one hour
Approximate times from here:
10:07, 4:07ET Panetta's office notified.
10:15, 4:15PM Panetta notified.
10:30, 4:30PM Can't reach ambassador.
10:45, 4:45PM Create and mobilize three teams:
1. Hostage, 2. Insurrection, 3. Opportunistic ... IIRC
11:00, 5:00PM Meet with Obama. Previously scheduled 5PM meeting. Drone arriving in Benghazi.
... they did just what we'd want, just what they should do.
Republican think tanks are just exploiting unnecessary statements they can design around people who don't know the details yet. Samo samo.
tanyev
(42,591 posts)That's about it.
rightsideout
(978 posts)Everything is Obama's fault. If it wasn't Benghazi, it would be something else.
But I'm thinking they are going to go after Hillary now.
rso
(2,273 posts)I agree that this is merely an attempt to damage Hillary and from what I have read, the testimony of these three men will not establish any chain of responsibility that can be traced to Hillary or to the President.
To play the devil's advocate, the chart showing the deaths during Bush's tenure has been refuted by the republithugs on the following two points:
1. Most of the deaths are not of americans, and of course republithugs care nothing for foreign lives.
2. They will make the point that at least Bush did not try to "cover up" these attacks. After all, remember that the crux of their "case" is the alleged coverup of Benghazi.
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)against the President. Huckabee insinuated that already. Rethugs are what is wrong with this country.
GoCubsGo
(32,086 posts)She's creaming everyone in the polls regarding the 2016 election, and that has them scared to death. They're trying to take her out, not Obama.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)You know when you hear specifically "high crimes and misdemeanors" the speaker is alluding to impeachment. I think they will try to get this political ball rolling (verbally) because it is such wonderful red meat to the fling to the ultra right-wingers.
The fact that here is no evidence of a high crime or misdemeanor is beside the point.
Sam
marshall
(6,665 posts)And that the reports linking it to the video were knowingly inaccurate, at least by someone above Susan Rice.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I suspect they were.
marshall
(6,665 posts)Constant doubters.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)R.I.P.
JanMichael
(24,890 posts)Not that Ben G. dying was good, or that the witch hunt is right, but the ill-iterative quality of the post was awesome.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)...The conspiracy boils down to..Its Obama's fault. It has to be. He did it on purpose to further his evil agenda (to be clarified later), He selected the people to go and die years in advance. He personally planned the attack, selected the attackers (probably from his secret overseas hometown), armed them from his illegal stash of weapons (seized from law abiding American citizens no doubt, terrorist love irony), during the attack Obama hid like a coward in the situation room streaming video from overseas (probably MUSLIM ANIME, He misses it ya'know), AND after the fact He tried to blame a racist movie that had just come out (by the timing you might think Obama released it himself to cover up his involvement, But we know racism is good and Obama has a psychotic compulsion to do wrong so he is blameless for this one thing; The rest is his fault).
Add to that either Hillary Clinton is an idiot who couldn't notice her ass being on fire or She is a spider like criminal mastermind, ya know , the one who all the James Bond villains were based on (Did you know, James Bond was actually an American, He volunteered to leave the CIA to help the British in 1935 [ ya, we know..it was actually the super secret PRECIA. Our early spy were awesome]).
That's the conspiracy in a nut shell....by a nut case....it makes my nuts hurt...something
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)shit
Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi! It's all Obama's fault. Obama is evil. Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)is that Obama released his long form birth certificate so the have to move on to some other idiotic conspiracy theory - only this time doing it on the graves of people.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)There were hundreds of witnesses and cameras as well as drones used for observation.
There is no cover-up. This is the fascist GOP looking for a reason to smear HRC.
JHB
(37,161 posts)Vince Foster
Same playbook.
unblock
(52,277 posts)why or how they would murder foster was never clear, but at least it was clear what the accusation was.
with Benghazi, it's not even clear what they're accusing Obama or Hillary or rice or anyone of.
their scandal manufacturing playbook has been reduced to pretending that reasonable and normal actions by democrats can be made to appear scandalous if by democrats and surrounded by investigations and indignation and huffing and puffing and all that.
seriously, one of rmoney's biggest political attacks against Obama was the time delay between Benghazi and his first use of the word "terror". seriously, I mean
Recursion
(56,582 posts)1. Post-attack cover up
2. "Stand down" order during the attack
3. Full on MIHOP craziness
3 is stupid, 2 was debunked. 1 is at least plausible, Washington being what it is, but the GOP have offered no evidence (and never will)
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)The President should be impeached, Rice should be in prison, and Hillary should not ever run for President.
jimmyolsenblues
(28 posts)Republicans think if we scream Benghazi long and loud enough, that people will elect republicans in 2014 & 2016.
When in reality the republicans have offended more than 50% of the voting populice and the number of right wing republicans is dwindling or else, they would have carried more electorial votes.
Warpy
(111,305 posts)I think they're in business to throw turds at as many Democrats as possible and hope some of them stick, especially to former SOS Clinton.
They'd like to knock her out of any contention for the nomination before the process begins. She makes them go limp with terror.
Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)CanonRay
(14,111 posts)There. How's that.
Hosnon
(7,800 posts)I looked through the responses and didn't see anything.
Thanks in advance!
krispos42
(49,445 posts)Didn't you know that?
If Obama doesn't mention something because of an ongoing investigation, or because of national security reasons, he's a liar and it's a scandal.
rdharma
(6,057 posts)Click on the read arrow.........
https://soundcloud.com/mike-in-raleigh/right-wing-troll-notification
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)General panic and reich wing insanity begin, yet again.
When are those house investigations of Bush asleep at the wheel on 9-11 gonna start eh?